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George Carlin is dead
« on: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 10:53:11 PM »
Suck it, Pugnate.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #1 on: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 11:42:42 PM »
Holy shit, this sucks!

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #2 on: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 11:48:29 PM »
Well fuck.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #3 on: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:24:38 AM »
Hell of a crazy dude.  As I said earlier in IRC, I found him more crude than funny lately, but he was still one of the most quotable guys to walk the face of the earth.  A bummer.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #4 on: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:46:04 AM »
Another one bites the dust.  Shit.  Here's hoping St Peter lets him in with his 7 words.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #5 on: Monday, June 23, 2008, 02:57:32 AM »
The news hit me hard. Bloody hell.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #6 on: Monday, June 23, 2008, 03:05:43 AM »
I just heard about it. Sad day for comedy. He was the best. A true funny man.


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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #7 on: Monday, June 23, 2008, 07:19:00 AM »
Yeah, Jennie told me about it this morning.  This one caught me off guard but I guess the legendary ones always due when there is no prior news of declining health.

He'll be missed by many, I'm sure.

Oh, and wb to posting Pug, at least for this one time.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #8 on: Monday, June 23, 2008, 09:02:36 AM »
Hi Pug!

I knew he had serious heart issues.  As soon as I saw the thread subject, I thought that's what got him.  71 is not bad for someone with his history.  My father only made it to 63.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #9 on: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:43:11 PM »
My father made it to 76.

I was really bummed today because of this. now it's all dreary out. Guess it's fitting.

He didn't really die though. He passed away...

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #10 on: Monday, June 23, 2008, 02:16:12 PM »
Holy shit - he was 71?!

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 12:25:53 AM »
This is from 14 years ago after the first gulf war. Pretty funny:


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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 01:18:23 AM »
Jammin in New York, hell yea, that one is my favorite of his, hilarious.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 05:33:51 PM »
I didn't remember his darker side coming out that far back.  There's a more recent show which is barely even funny.  It is so bitter--hope for humanity abandoned.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 06:20:54 PM »
He and I often agreed there.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 12:09:20 PM »
Sad, sad news.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 12:28:31 PM »
The recent show I was thinking of is Life is Worth Losing, on HBO last year.  It's out there.  I think the highlight of the scathing diatribe comes at 9:00 in this segment (and continues for a couple of minutes in the next part), though the whole segment is on a good roll, and the whole show is worth watching.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 08:49:53 PM »
....you know, if I go to a comedy show and the headliner goes on for 7 min. without cracking a fucking joke something is very wrong (and "big red, white, and blue dick" doesn't count as a joke no matter how many asshats laugh at it).  I'm not saying he's wrong, and if anything you expect it when you go to a Carlin show so it's fully acceptable, but I just realized that he stopped being funny (by choice I guess) years ago.  As a comedian, where does that leave you?

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 10:24:25 PM »
I think he didn't need to be funny in recent years.  If he were new to the scene, he would not have made it as a comedian.  But because of his fame or notoriety, people wanted to see him and listen to his amusing expression of a very dark philosophy, even without much in the way of comedy.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #19 on: Friday, June 27, 2008, 06:08:57 PM »
Carlin is probably my favorite comedian of all-time.
I don't think we'll ever seen another Carlin.
He was a comic genius.

I think the only stand-up he did I didn't really care for was his Life Is Worth Losing HBO stand-up...

HBO's been running his stand-ups on one of the alt-HBO channels like marathons...

RIP, Carlin.
And you won't be forgotten.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #20 on: Friday, June 27, 2008, 06:21:41 PM »
I got burned out on that marathon yesterday.  The show which finally got me to change the channel had a merciless racial attack going for a long time.  Apparently, he didn't believe Caucasians deserve the same protection or consideration as the rest of humanity.  And now I can't even complain to him about it, so he got away with it.  Ha.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday, July 01, 2008, 08:57:56 PM »
I was lucky enough to watch his act in person only about 5 or 10ft away from him in the front row at a Kewadin Casino when I was about 15 years old.

Real loss to the world to see him go but yeah I guess with all his previous drug and heart problems 71 was down right amazing for him to last to.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday, July 01, 2008, 09:42:10 PM »
Fred Phelps gives a eulogy.

Somehow, I think Carlin would approve.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday, July 01, 2008, 10:23:30 PM »
Of this, however, I don't think he would


The part that matters:


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The comedian went into Carlin mode. There's no video of the incident. But a friend of the hecklers later paraphrased Earle's freakout thusly: "You're fat and ugly, no wonder you're lesbians, you can't get a man-- that's why you're dykes."

Nasty stuff--even if it's not as bad as telling a guy you want his kids dead. But as I say, that's what you get when you play the audience-participation game. One minute, you're giggling it up with your softball gal pals. The next minute, the main act comes out with a s--thead detector. Lesson learned.

Or not. Rather than slink away, these particular lesbian hecklers decided to get their social revenge the Canadian way -- by filing a human rights complaint. And last week, a B. C. tribunal announced that the case would go to trial. If the bureaucrats determine that a thoughtcrime has been committed, Earle could be on the hook for thousands of dollars. Or -- since B. C.'s human rights tribunals, unlike real courts, can make up just about any punishment they want -- he might be forced to avoid certain themes in his act, or even to write and perform gay-friendly jokes. (It's theoretically possible that B. C.'s human rights commissioners could simply write Earle's mandatory new jokes themselves: "Hey, did you hear the one about the two homosexuals who got married, and had children, and lived productive lives, and didn't embody any funny stereotypes whatsoever? …")

The interesting thing to keep in mind here is that in the 20-30 years that the BC Human Rights Tribunal/commission has been in effect not one person has ever been found not guilty once a case went to 'court'. Coincidentally, not one person that the tribunal has found guilty has ever been successfully charged with a hate crime or a breach of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (because, you know, individuals aren't bound by the same principles as governments or even organizations).

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday, July 02, 2008, 01:18:55 AM »
What the hell is a BC tribunal?  Seems dangerously close to the inquisition.  NO ONE EXPECTS THE BC TRIBUNAL!

Edit:  British Columbia human-rights tribunal?  Is that right?  I take it Canada doesn't have strong protections for political speech then?

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday, July 02, 2008, 04:01:22 AM »
Thoughtcrime??! WTF is this? George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four?

Is there such a thing?

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday, July 02, 2008, 05:55:00 PM »
What the hell is a BC tribunal?  Seems dangerously close to the inquisition.  NO ONE EXPECTS THE BC TRIBUNAL!

Edit:  British Columbia human-rights tribunal?  Is that right?  I take it Canada doesn't have strong protections for political speech then?

Yes, that's correct.  I don't know if other provinces have the same sort of set-up but it's kind of an 'extra' sort of judicial extension of the provincial court system.  There actually used to be a separate Human Rights Tribunal and a Human Rights Commission, but after the last election the provincial government removed all power from the Commission and probably would have eliminated the Tribunal as well were they not scared of losing the valuable "pussy vote" (it should be noted that both bodies also exist on a federal level as well).

As to your second question; yes, technically the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the Canadian Constitution actually has some very strong protections for speech, the problem is that there is a conflict between the Charter protected freedom of speech and the Canadian Human Rights Act, which is a little too broad in what it considers discrimination.  Well, actually, there's not really all that much of a conflict were people to use common sense, but they don't and many Canadians are notorious pussies who worry about offending other pussies entirely too much.  It's a fucked up system for a couple of reasons;

1.) As mentioned in the article, the decisions are legally binding, but not held by precedent like real court decisions. They can basically make you do anything in order to 'right the wrong'.

2.) Fuzzy jurisdiction.  Broad complaints can be filed in multiple levels.  For instance, recently someone filed a complaint against Maclean's magazine for printing an editorial which reprinted another article with some quote something along the lines of "British are worried about Muslims breeding like rabbits".  The issue here is that they simultaneously filed a complaint with the BC Human Rights Tribunal and the Canadian Human Rights Commission, meaning that the magazine all of a sudden has to fight two battles in two different courts for the exact same infraction within a single country.  This is pretty much illegal under any other circumstance. Maclean's got off easy because they are a well known magazine amongst the intelligent, have a lot of coin, and was willing to fight all the way to the end.  BC tried them first, and the Canadian court saw how everyone reacted and dropped the case because they pretty much caught wind that win or lose, something in the system would have to be changed.  This is currently being investigated.

3.) It's a fucking joke.  The expense to defend is often not worth it, especially when you're not being convicted of any real crime, so many just roll over for financial reasons.  The defendant always loses once shit goes to court.

4.) It represents a very dangerous deterioration of public support for civil rights. Words written on a constitution are just that unless the people hold the meaning to be true.  For the most part, many Canadians (again, and I can't stress this enough - pussies) have decided that one's right to avoid discrimination (remember: too broad) over powers one's freedom of speech or action.  Were this particular case go to a real court, it would be thrown out because precedent has been set - freedom of speech overrules in cases like this.  However, the entire function of the BCHRT is specifically to make sure you don't get offended and as such this guy is probably hosed unless he wants to spend the money to go all the way to the supreme court. A lot of people are cool with this kind of bullshit and as such are basically allowing their own rights to be violated and eroded because they're either too stupid to notice or freely support a society where censorship trumps freedom of expression.  I call these people turncoats and strongly urge them to stop being involved in the political process.

If anyone actually cares, here's the poison in the Charter:

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    12. It is a discriminatory practice to publish or display before the public or to cause to be published or displayed before the public any notice, sign, symbol, emblem or other representation that

        (a) expresses or implies discrimination or an intention to discriminate, or
        (b) incites or is calculated to incite others to discriminate if the discrimination expressed or implied, intended to be expressed or implied or incited or calculated to be incited would otherwise, if engaged in, be a discriminatory practice described in any of sections 5 to 11 or in section 14. [1976-77, c.33, s.12; 1980-81-82-83, c.143, s.6.]

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    13. (1) It is a discriminatory practice for a person or a group of persons acting in concert to communicate telephonically or to cause to be so communicated, repeatedly, in whole or in part by means of the facilities of a telecommunication undertaking within the legislative authority of Parliament, any matter that is likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt by reason of the fact that that person or those persons are identifiable on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination.

In short, freedom from being offended is being held higher than freedom of speech more and more, and it's really a dangerous thing.




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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday, July 02, 2008, 06:12:23 PM »
Wow.  The phrase "Fuck Canada" looks to enter my speech approximately 100% more of the time.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday, July 02, 2008, 06:15:49 PM »
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3.) It's a fucking joke.  The expense to defend is often not worth it, especially when you're not being convicted of any real crime, so many just roll over for financial reasons.  The defendant always loses once shit goes to court.

This is what concerns me.  A court with a 100% conviction rate can't happen outside of a totalitarian regime.  Therefore I conclude that this is exactly what it is.  Rights are meaningless if they provide 0 defense (0 being the opposite of 100%) from attack at any arbitrary time by any arbitrary disgruntled party.  So-called rights then get exposed as mere privileges which have been revoked, exactly George Carlin's attitude about the American Bill of Rights.

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Re: George Carlin is dead
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday, July 02, 2008, 06:53:19 PM »
The supporters (remember: total pussies because that's the only reason you'd support something like this) claim that it's OK because not every complaint that is investigated goes to court (they also HAVE to investigate every complaint). That's just another bullshit excuse.  I agree with you; the court (and the philosophy it represents) has no place in the system.