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Title: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: K-man on Saturday, February 23, 2013, 10:18:42 AM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/4iora1.jpg)

My body is ready.

I decided to convert this to a play through thread because I don't want to saddle down the old thread with spoiler tags.  Know that by entering Idol and I will be speaking freely about the game with no concern for spoilers.  READ AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Title: Re: Did some renovation to my game space to play Demon's Souls and Dark Souls
Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, February 23, 2013, 10:31:25 AM
haha
Title: Re: Did some renovation to my game space to play Demon's Souls and Dark Souls
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, February 23, 2013, 11:13:41 PM
Wow that's atmospheric! haha
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Monday, February 25, 2013, 07:28:40 AM
Changed thread topic.  Idol and I are playing this together so this will be a nice place to share our experiences.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Monday, February 25, 2013, 09:29:34 AM
OMG A GIANT BIRD WTF
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: iPPi on Monday, February 25, 2013, 09:57:18 AM
That's an interesting setup. 
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Monday, February 25, 2013, 01:27:13 PM
Woo! I wish I could be you guys right now.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Monday, February 25, 2013, 05:09:11 PM
Well this first area I sorta had spoiled for me by watching Que play at the meet, so I kinda sorta know whats going on here. But enough time has passed where I'll go "Oh yeah, I remember this" but only after I get in there. So it evens out. Joined a covenant, got my shrug on, and now working my way into the Undead Burg. Stumbled across the merchant so now I'm saving some souls to buy some stuff there. Got the Burg key and now saving for the inventory management box. 1000 souls isn't to tough to come by. Also bought a talisman to stop dudes from healing near me but I don't see a way to equip it? Oh well, Ill figure it out.

Already had a death. Cleared out the area past the merchant and climbed the roof for the soul up there. And there was a mark left by another player to make the jump to the next building. Well I fucked up my jump and landed on the ground below...surrounded by 4 skeletons. Took a fireball to the face and a sword in my side. I tried to back out, run to get a better position, but backing up over the little bridge there I bumped into another skeleton that blocked my way. Another fireball and a backstab and it was all over. Luckily it wasn't far from the bonfire and was easy enough to get to. I cleared it out so I wouldn't have to go through that again attempting that jump. I did get a crossbow for my trouble, so it was worth it.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 12:13:33 AM
Hooray for more people playing Dark Souls, can't wait to read more of your experiences!  JOLLY COOPERATION! 
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 02:13:29 AM
I thought there wasn't a coop mode like it's just someone randomly jumping into your world and whether or not he cooperates is up to him. But can you specifically invite a friend to play with you?
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: W7RE on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 03:47:27 AM
I have this game, still haven't played it. I played through the first dungeon a few weeks ago, but wanted to finish some other games before really digging in. No idea when I'll get back to it. I did like what I played though.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 03:50:54 AM
I have this game, still haven't played it. I played through the first dungeon a few weeks ago, but wanted to finish some other games before really digging in. No idea when I'll get back to it. I did like what I played though.
Read the earlier posts, you'll see my embarrassing attempts to enjoy the game. I'm still gonna give it another go just to try to recoup the cost! haha
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 05:55:05 AM
Back when I first got the game I rolled a thief and played the intro.  I went back and rolled a Pyromancer last night.  Judging by the number of attempts it took me to beat the tutorial boss I'm not sure if he's for me.

Edit:
I've done some thinking about it, and I believe my major problem is that I'm rolling around too much and wasting endurance.  I dunno, we'll see.  I may roll another character and try it.  If I'm reading correctly though, class choice only really matters at the beginning of the game, since you can essentially make whatever you want by leveling.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 11:35:52 AM
Yeah, pretty sure you can just stat up any way you want so ultimately the class doesn't matter.

I've made my way deeper into the undead burg. Most of the enemies weren't hard to deal with, except I did piss off a black knight dude that was having none of my shit, and some other knight that looked like he was made of stone that was able to one-shot me through my shield from full health. I'm guessing I'll just come back those those guys later. It did allow me to build up some souls though so I bought the storage box from the merchant.

I made some bad moves in a couple fights and used some of my flasks so by the time I came up on a fog door I only had 1 left. I step through the fog and see a note that says "Boss ahead". Oh great. We'll I just go back and...oh, I cant. Time to man up! Luckily while reading the note I could hear some archers shooting from somewhere so I climbed up by them and took em out before the boss showed up. Also based on the layout I sorta figured out what they wanted me to do to beat the boss, so it ended up not being terribly difficult...even if I almost died anyway. After the fight I used my last flask and forged ahead hoping to find a bonfire.

I met Mr Jolly Co-operation, followed by Mr Red Dragon that made me happy I healed a little. Then I opened up the shortcut to the bonfire and stopped there. Whew!
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 11:56:57 AM
I thought there wasn't a coop mode like it's just someone randomly jumping into your world and whether or not he cooperates is up to him. But can you specifically invite a friend to play with you?

My jolly cooperation remark is something one of the NPCs says in the game.  There is no true co-op mode and you can't invite friends.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 11:58:49 AM
My jolly cooperation remark is something one of the NPCs says in the game.  There is no true co-op mode and you can't invite friends.
Dang it. You had my hopes up for a sec.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 01:40:24 PM
I've heard if you're clever and plan ahead to "meet up" in a specific spot, that you can summon a friend into your game. But its still mainly a crap shoot if you can do it or not.

Giant armored boar? Not a problem. Dude with spear backed up by 2 achers? Problem. Rats on the way back to collect my souls? "Yo dawg, we heard you like poison..." NO, RATS! YOU HEARD WRONG!
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 03:15:23 PM
Rats were such assholes in Demon's Souls.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 03:17:59 PM
Haha, I love this. It's bringing back so many memories.

Also, if boar is no problem, you're a better man than I. I had to do some serious footwork to take that bitch out. I got lucky and got a boar head helmet rare drop. I used that thing for like half the game.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
I'm not a better man, I am a coward. I would lure him to the doorway he couldn't fit through and then attack when he gave up and walked away. And I was so bummed when that helmet didn't drop. Gah, I wanted it so bad.

I did however end up with a really badass sword. The red dragon is a jerk, guarding some looty things. I want the looty things! So thinking back to the red dragon in Demons Souls I decided to buy a bunch of arrows and kill the bastard. I was able to plink away at him for a bit but I didn't know if I was going to be able to kill him. He got hurt, he would fly around, so I figured I'd keep going. Eventually it sounded like I had killed him and I got a Drakes Sword or something like that. I could only 2-hand it at first but I bumped up my stats and can now one-hand it. It does some serious damage. Downside is theres no stabby motion, only a swing so its harder to use in confined hallways. But some things that used to take 2-3 hits are now dying in one, so I'm pretty happy with it.

Note, however, this didn't kill the dragon. He's still there and will roast a bitch if they step foot on that walkway.

The bow is proving itself useful, but not overpowered like it was in Demons. Those rats? I am able to draw one out onto the bridge and take care of it with a single shot, then the other two are easier to handle. So now I basically have a pretty easy straight shot to the next boss. I know what I'm in for....and I'm scared.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 03:46:37 PM
Awesome. Yeah, getting the tail is what gets you that sword. You don't have to kill him.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 05:16:53 PM
Ah, ok. I was hitting his tail because that seemed like the safest place to hit him from. If I tried to go topside he'd burn the crap out of me.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 09:34:22 PM
Beat Taurus demon tonight.  The setup there was pretty obvious.  I love how this game sort of directs you where to go by kicking the shit out of  you when you wander into a place you're not ready for.

I died a bunch tonight.  Unfortunately the fear of death isn't nearly as present here as it was in Demon's Souls.  I can't decide if it's because I just got used to the game or if it's because a bonfire to this point has never felt THAT far away.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 03:37:23 PM
Ok, turns out I wasn't up to where I thought I was. That fog door wasn't to the boss, just the next area. I flubbed a backstab but otherwise made it through to the next area ok. Opened up a new bonfire, found the blacksmith, and the shortcut elevator back to Firelink Shrine. So thats pretty awesome. On the way to the boss a hoard of zombies kicked my ass several times but I got a bunch of souls out of it. They are protected by some magic dude. I eventually saw that I could easily plink away at him with arrows from the lower level of the cathedral, and duck behind a pillar before he could send a bolt back at me. After that the undead werent bad, but they will still wear down your endurance in a hurry banging on your shield.

Around the corner was another red caped knight and a dude locked in a cell. I don't know if I should let him out or not. Demons Souls had a dude that was actually kinda bad to save so I'll have to see whats up with this guy.

So yeah, now I really really am at the boss. Sitting on 7k souls I figured I'd go spend em before I jump in there, and at Firelink I get 10 flasks so I'll have plenty to deal with. My next post should be the results of that terrible battle.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 05:05:26 PM
I won't tell you that it's strictly good or bad to let him out, but some developments do occur as a result.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 05:54:14 PM
Ah, ok. Well...I shall think on it some more. Hes not going anywhere anyway.

So I had a little time to play just now, spent all my souls (or as many as I could spend) on leveling up, and then marched on up to the boss. Just gotta take a deep breath and step through that door. Not knowing what to expect is half the fun, so I'm not going to detail and spoil that boss until kman gets a crack at him. Amazingly I was able to take him out on my first attempt (mostly since I pretty much knew what to expect out of him). The attacks weren't getting through my shield, except of course the fire breath, so it wasn't too bad. I also had some firebombs on me which helped. Still, I got banged up and had to find those short times where you can down a flask.

In the heat of the fight I forgot to try chop his tail off for the weapon. I guess you can get it later on but it would have been fun. I got a new helmet and shield out of the fight, though its making my roll slow.

Bell #1 has been rung! Now the next stuff will be interesting because this is about the point I stopped watching Ques playthrough. Everything ahead is all new to me.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 06:46:07 PM
So much fun and death awaits you. Game has so many glorious moments. I'm curious which of the two games you guys will end up preferring. I loved both, but for me Dark Souls definitely won out.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 06:15:07 AM
Kicked some boar ass last night.  He didn't drop anything.  Then I died.  Then I died again.

Some deaths are just frustrating.  I got pinned by two armored fiends and couldn't escape.  In a situation like that one hit dooms you because by the time you recover from one hit, another is already landing.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 08:50:43 AM
Having spent just a few hours in the world of Dark Souls, I believe I prefer the open world format.  I thought it was sort of neat how Demon's Souls was segmented out into "levels".  In a way it made them more memorable.  But there's a real sense of exploration present in Dark Souls that wasn't with Demon's. 

My one knock against the game so far is definitely the frame rate in areas.  I mean there's just no excuse for that at this point.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 10:14:58 AM
I agree with kman. Demons was awesome, but the exploration of Dark is just great. I get all excited when I open up new shortcuts and get a better idea of how interconnected everything is.

And yeah, the framerate issues do suck pretty bad. I went down into New Londo Ruins and it was really bad. I'm tempted to eventually buy the PC version for replays in the future since it can just brute force through that.

So that knight I didn't let out of his cell? Hes in Firelink Shrine anyway. To verify I went back to the cell and sure enough its empty. He's also kinda pissed at me for not letting him out. I don't think he's going to be very useful.

I found another boss. It did not go well. He has dogs. Evil dogs.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 12:24:41 PM
I don't want to ruin anything for you guys specifically, but be sure to talk to the NPCs in Firelink Shrine once in awhile, especially after you finish something major like a boss fight or ring a bell.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 12:55:12 PM
Yeah I've been doing that though I don't have many people there yet. Just crazy guy, mute chick (hooray for boosting my flasks!), and Mr Miracle. Oh wait, and I guess the freed knight that comes and goes, and I just saved a dude out of lower burg but he doesnt say much.
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Post by: Quemaqua on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 04:39:14 PM
Haha, that boss is such a fucking dick. I never could manage to beat him without resorting to cheap tactics. Bleeding hard.

And yeah, I think Demon's and Dark both have a different vibe because of the structure. I love the just absolute malice of Demon's, but at the same time the world never felt entirely real or cohesive, where Dark actually feels like a real place. I wrote an article on this which I'd link to, but my blog is down again thanks to my host being filled with tools.

And yeah, the frame issues suck. It's not that bad until you get to Blighttown. Then God help you, because that place is rough. I kind of got a sick thrill because it reminded me of playing games on my old 386, and it just made a hard portion of the game that much harder. But I'm screwy like that.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Friday, March 01, 2013, 06:15:01 AM
Made a good bit of progress last night.  I was able to clear the cemetery of loot.  At first I was really afraid of those big skeletons, but found with the Drake Sword I was able to take them down in 3-4 hits. 

I told Idol about this last night, but it bears reposting.  I was messing around down in the New Londo Ruins and found the pathway to Drake Valley.  I first walk into a cave, but I see badness off in the distance so I back out.  You can also traverse the cliff side.  I see some loot far off so I decide to go after it.  I get closer and it looks to be beside a dead dragon.  No big deal, I'll just roll up in here and grab all this loOOOOOH SHIT HE WAS JUST SLEEPING.  He one-hits me after i grab two of the items.  I decide to attempt to go back for the third item and my souls.  I get back there and this time the dragon is awake.  I tried to take him down with some arrows but realized pretty fast that I didn't have enough.  Thankfully I was able to make him whiff with his attack and rolled by him.  I got my souls and the last part of that loot, but nowhere to go but forward.  I keep running along the cliff side.  I see smaller dragon/gargoyle looking things scattered along the cliff in the distance.  I engage the first one, take two swipes, realize that I'm nowhere near powerful enough, so I roll past him and keep running.  I keep running by these dragon things, and eventually 5-6 of them are after me.  They shoot lightning.  I wouldn't be able to replicate this in a million years, but I rolled/ran/recovered stamina avoiding these guys and their lightning bolts in a remarkable dance toward some loot I saw near the end of the path.  I made it to the end and grabbed the loot (a full armor set and a shield!), but the dead end quickly got the best of me.

I killed the big knight and his casting friend upstairs.  I tried the gargoyles 3 times but failed miserably.  I figured it was a good time to give it up for the evening.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Friday, March 01, 2013, 06:33:42 AM
Haha, nice. Those are dragons, not gargoyles, and I couldn't legitimately engage those for a very long time. They're rough. You can kill the huge dragon much earlier and much more easily. I think I actually killed him probably about where you are now, the first time I came across him. I seem to recall him guarding at least one worthwhile item.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Friday, March 01, 2013, 02:28:55 PM
Woo! Killed the Capra (and his little dogs, too)! It's a really tricky fight because of the really tight quarters. Drakes Sword was extremely useful because you can kill the dogs in one hit. Once they are gone then it gets a bit easier. Its just getting to that point is hard. As soon as you step in you better be ready to move and dodge his first attack otherwise it's pretty much over for you. Hit lands, you stagger, dogs hit you for more stagger and poison, and then the boss hits you again before you recover. Its just one big fuck you from the start.

Anywho, got the key to the Depths now so even more horrors await me. I walked in there a little bit and saw some butcher chopping at something and figured I should probably turn around and go think about spending my souls from Capra. Got back to Firelink and first thing that was weird to me was the skeletons respawned there without me touching a bonfire. Was not expecting that. I had killed them all on the way to Capra so...strange. But then the dude I saved from lower burg had something new to say but he still doesnt seem to do anything. Mr Miracles friends showed up and he says hes going to leave soon so I'm thinking now would be a good time to go grind up some souls and buy all the miracles he sells so I don't miss out later. I havent used any yet...maybe I should?
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Friday, March 01, 2013, 03:59:17 PM
Mr Miracles friends showed up and he says hes going to leave soon so I'm thinking now would be a good time to go grind up some souls and buy all the miracles he sells so I don't miss out later. I havent used any yet...maybe I should?

I think I remember getting the Heal and Homeward miracles on my playthrough.  The Homeward one is useful since it will teleport you back to your last bonfire.  As far as skeletons go and their respawning, if its the skeletons right outside Firelink Shrine in the small graveyard area that you are talking about, then those skeletons cannot be killed unless you use a Divine weapon, keep this in mind if you ever make your way into the Catacombs.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Friday, March 01, 2013, 05:50:43 PM
I was meaning the ones on the path up from Firelink to the Burg. They came back, but then maybe that was because I killed a boss?

And yeah I just found out about the graveyard skeletons. Though some of them seemed to die? At least they didn't come back. Thats when I took a little walk into the Catacombs and the first skeleton jumped me. Killed him...hmm, no souls? Thats....wait WTF NO! I then got out of there and he didnt seem to want to follow me into the sunlight. So then I went and grabbed the greatsword treasure in the graveyard which woke up 3 skeletons including one that was like 3 times larger than the rest so I got the fuck out of there as fast as I could. The ones I killed earlier seemed to stay dead, though.

When I loaded up my game I got worried for a bit. I went to Mr Miracle and his friends were gone...and so was he! Fuck! Now I missed out on those miracles! So I thought. I went to go see the Burg blacksmith to buy the smithing boxes. I haven't upgraded any of my swords or armor yet because I don't know how hard to find those ores are. I don't have many and don't want to waste them. Then I went and toyed with that limping lightning demon. I thought I could take him but it would take a really long time so I gave up on that. Anyway, when I got back to Firelink Mr Miracle was back so I'm happy. He's all worried about that chick though.

Oh and something weird happened. I talked to the crazy guy in FL and he said the crow had taken somebody. I thought it was just something he would say, but when I was going to the graveyard I could hear something like someone snoring. I looked all over and couldn't find the source of it. Really odd.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Friday, March 01, 2013, 06:49:24 PM
I was meaning the ones on the path up from Firelink to the Burg. They came back, but then maybe that was because I killed a boss?

And yeah I just found out about the graveyard skeletons. Though some of them seemed to die? At least they didn't come back. Thats when I took a little walk into the Catacombs and the first skeleton jumped me. Killed him...hmm, no souls? Thats....wait WTF NO! I then got out of there and he didnt seem to want to follow me into the sunlight. So then I went and grabbed the greatsword treasure in the graveyard which woke up 3 skeletons including one that was like 3 times larger than the rest so I got the fuck out of there as fast as I could. The ones I killed earlier seemed to stay dead, though.

When I loaded up my game I got worried for a bit. I went to Mr Miracle and his friends were gone...and so was he! Fuck! Now I missed out on those miracles! So I thought. I went to go see the Burg blacksmith to buy the smithing boxes. I haven't upgraded any of my swords or armor yet because I don't know how hard to find those ores are. I don't have many and don't want to waste them. Then I went and toyed with that limping lightning demon. I thought I could take him but it would take a really long time so I gave up on that. Anyway, when I got back to Firelink Mr Miracle was back so I'm happy. He's all worried about that chick though.

Oh and something weird happened. I talked to the crazy guy in FL and he said the crow had taken somebody. I thought it was just something he would say, but when I was going to the graveyard I could hear something like someone snoring. I looked all over and couldn't find the source of it. Really odd.

Don't worry about the snoring.  I went crazy thinking the game had bugged out and didn't load an NPC or something, but the source of the snoring will be revealed later so don't fret too much about it.  If you are curious about weapon and armor upgrading, don't be afraid to take a look at a wiki for upgrading stuff in Dark Souls. (http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Upgrades) That one I linked to is good about not linking to any major story spoilers and has details about upgrading which isn't explained very well in the game.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Friday, March 01, 2013, 07:05:10 PM
Cool, thanks.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Saturday, March 02, 2013, 08:29:20 AM
Idol told me how to get back to the asylum last night, so I went for a visit.  I think I looted basically all I'm able to at the moment there.  Anyhow, Willa made an early morning of it, so I've been tooling around in the game.  I was able to take down that lightning demon with one leg that's right past the blacksmith (2-handed ftw!).  I also made my way down into the basin and found another bonfire.  I was able to take down a knight while I was down there.  Thankfully they don't respawn it appears.  I found a shortcut back to Drake Valley.  Once I saw where it led I just turned back around and went to the shrine using the long way.

I keep looking at the "Prepare to Die" retail release on Amazon...  I can't help but feel like it was the CE that should have been released stateside.  I'm going to look into the extras some more, but I may have to break down and get it.  I wanted to get the PC version eventually as I am sure at some point Namco/Bandai will shut down the console servers. 
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Saturday, March 02, 2013, 10:30:53 AM
After your post I decided to go take care of the lightning demon. Wasn't so bad once I figured out his pattern. Then I had a nice walk around Darkroot Garden. I knew it was coming and got jumped by 3 of those shrub dudes. They didnt kill me but I burned through some flasks and didn't want to risk going forward since I've got like 10k souls on me. I might go back to Firelink and buy some miracles or some pyromancy stuff. Ill save the fog door until I get a full set of flasks and come back.

I did walk down the path into the basin and got a set of leather armor. Though I think that area freaked me out a little more than it should have. Walking down that entire path and no enemies appear? I'm just waiting for something to jump out at me. I saw further down another body to loot but there were 2 markers on the ground saying a tough enemy ahead so I held off. Then I went the other way and it looked like a fairly open area but in the distance I could see something moving. At first I thought maybe it was splashing water from a waterfall or something? But as I stood there looking at it....I think it was a hydra. So I said "NOPE" and went back to go get my spells.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Saturday, March 02, 2013, 12:26:26 PM
There are a bunch of subsections to that area, some harder than others. And those lightning guys... man. That first one makes you think they aren't so bad. Later on, watch your shit. There are a few places you can fight them that are just all kinds of not fun. And the most fun part is you probably won't figure that out until you're knee-deep in it.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 06:48:43 AM
I tried beating the Capra Demon 10-12 times this morning and have failed miserably every time.  I try and get the dogs out of the way so I can concentrate on him, but I have to roll away from his attack which puts me wide open for dog badness.

First real wall I've hit with the game so far. 
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 07:11:48 AM
Oooh, Capra's damn tough.

If you're curious of how the hell I beat him after a ridiculous amount of tries, look here:
http://www.overwritten.net/forum/index.php?topic=7065.msg115936#msg115936
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 07:59:07 AM
I went back to it and finally got him.  I decided the shield wasn't doing me a ton of good so I went two hand with my drake sword.  I was able to roll by his first attack giving me a free shot at the first dog.  The second one got hold of me but was able to dispatch him after running upstairs.  Capra got caught on some edge or something allowing me the time to roll out and drink some estus.  I swung a few times, he whiffed with his attack, and I had enough stamina left to finish him off.

The problem with this fight is twofold:  1) You're rushed as soon as you enter the room.  and 2) the narrowness of the space causes the camera to screw up a lot, blinding you in some cases.

I'm loving this game so much, but it's hard to ignore the shoddy workmanship at times.  I hope they finally work the bugs out of the next game.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 08:26:35 AM
The only way I managed it was to get on the narrow stairs over to the side and deal with the dogs first, then get on the archway at the back and get a few cheap shots in. I think I managed a plunge attack after that and then finished him off with a couple more swipes. Dude is fucking rough, and is one of a few bosses that become regular enemies later on.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 08:38:13 AM
Oh fer fuck's sake.  Really?

Do later iterations have dogs?  Because honestly that's like 75% of the issue.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 08:51:18 AM
Yeah, the issue with that fight is the space constraint and interference from the dogs. Later ones don't have pets, and while you might fight several at once, I don't recall ever facing them in tight quarters like that again.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 09:10:46 AM
Capra Demon is tough...
...but if you ain't been cursed before, you ain't seen NOTHING yet... ;)
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 10:41:38 AM
Yeah Capra wouldn't be so hard if it wasn't for that space and the dogs.

I decided to explore Darkroot Garden some more this morning. I had an early death because those 3 plant dudes that jump you when you grab that soul are now just ready to get you when you go down that path. I wasn't expecting that so I got jumped.

I expected to find a bonfire somewhere in there but never did. Made things kind of tense because I'd have to start all the way back at the blacksmith. I think I found everything there is to find in the garden because I explored everywhere. Got a nice heavy set of armor, a weapon, and a ring. Those giant stone knights weren't so bad though I avoided them when I could. The worst was grabbing that heavy armor. Knight wakes up and 2 of those frickin plant bastards too! I burned 3 flasks fighting that mess. At the ruined tower someone left a note about "try dashing through". I figured it couldn't hurt to try, I didn't want to fight another knight anyway. It worked. If you get up the stairs fast enough he gives up the chase.

At the top is a fog door. Looking over you can see another fog door so obviously this was the boss area. In fact, when looking over I saw the boss itself! Pretty butterfly! I only had 1 flask left and about 7k souls but I said...fuck it, lets do this! After Capra this boss was a cakewalk, though I suppose it helps that I had that magic resist shield you pick up back at the asylum. At first I was confused...how I was I even supposed to hit the thing? It never comes close and there was no time to get the bow out, fire a shot, and get the shield back up for the boss attacks. Turns out you just need to be patient. Eventually it will land to rest for a good 15-20 seconds and you can pound on it. A couple of those and used my flask for the damage I was taking and it was a done deal. Grabbed my loot from the top of the next tower and just homeward boned it out of there.

Only thing I didn't see what whats behind the weird glowy door. I'm sure I'll be back for that later.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 11:41:07 AM
There's actually a bonfire right beside that glowing door.  I found it by positioning the camera around the cliffside there, since there's just enough space to run around.  I used it probably 5-6 times that way, but an ent followed me back one time and attacked through the wall, which revealed it to be a fake one.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 12:37:39 PM
ah, ok. Ill go back in there and activate it. Because I can.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 01:15:48 PM
There's also a hidden bonfire in the gardens, just fyi.

I actually had way more trouble with that fucking butterfly than the capra. I had zero magic resist at the time and no ranged ability of any kind, and while it does have a set pattern, some of its attacks are very hard to avoid if you aren't super nimble. I lost that fight a good 5 or 6 times and was pretty fucking not happy about it, haha. Finishing it was a relief.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 01:22:21 PM
Yeah I can see that fight being a huge pain in the ass if you don't have any magic resist. The slow moving orbs you can dodge well enough, but I don't know how you'd avoid that needle attack thing. Seems instant.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 01:26:53 PM
You learn the fuck how to roll properly. haha, you have to be really light on your feet. You can avoid most things, but not 100% of the time. And I didn't have the drake sword I don't think, since I'm pretty sure I didn't get that until waaaaay later, so you guys are having a way easier time of things than I was using some shit barebones weapon. That fight took like 15 minutes for me to get through, and 9/10 of that was frantic dodging and healing. It was awful. I almost beat it once when I used one of the NPCs that's around that area, and she was OH GOD SO HELPFUL at damaging it, until she killed herself and... well, so ends jolly cooperation. I died and had to do my subsequent attempts solo.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Sunday, March 03, 2013, 08:05:29 PM
I actually came in this thread to talk about how easy that fight was.  I beat it on my first attempt.

Granted I had arrows.  I think the key with a lot of these bosses is to dodge rather than block and go two-hand.  Once the butterfly came within striking distance it was over.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Monday, March 04, 2013, 07:22:16 AM
I spent most of last night trying to beat bosses I was in no way prepared to face:  Havel the rock and that blasted red dragon.  Havel's probably doable, but since he one-hits you there's no room for error.  The dragon, not so much.  I don't want to cheese him since that's essentially what I did in Demon's souls.

I have also cleared out every knight that I've encountered so far.  Well, besides the ones in the Asylum.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Monday, March 04, 2013, 12:23:11 PM
I spent most of last night trying to beat bosses I was in no way prepared to face:  Havel the rock and that blasted red dragon.  Havel's probably doable, but since he one-hits you there's no room for error.  The dragon, not so much.  I don't want to cheese him since that's essentially what I did in Demon's souls.

I have also cleared out every knight that I've encountered so far.  Well, besides the ones in the Asylum.

What's your endurance and soul level at?  For Havel you're going to need a good amount of endurance if you either decide to roll around and get hits in or if you try to get in for backstabs or if you parry a lot.  I did a combination of backstabs when I could get them in but mainly did a lot of parrying and getting one hit in and then backing off for another parry and riposte when my endurance went back up.  If you have heavy armor on during this, it won't work out too well.  I ended up switching to some lighter armor for fighting him so I would have more mobility and then equipped my heavy armor back on after fighting him since my guy was a beefier build of endurance and strength.

Unfortunately, I don't have any advice on the dragon since he glitched out on me after hitting him from behind with a melee attack.  He died and I got the souls and loot, but it was an early bug that got patched out a few days after I had done that.  I plan on fighting him properly when I play through the game again with the DLC content.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Monday, March 04, 2013, 12:30:57 PM
I have more points invested into endurance than any other stat.  My problem with Havel is that he can adjust the direction of his attack while it's coming down.  I have yet to master the timing on it.  Usually once an enemy engages with an attack the direction is set in stone.  Not so with him.

I'm just going to have to wait on the dragon.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, March 05, 2013, 12:57:57 AM
Funny the differences in experience. Havel was a lot easier for me. I got his timing down right off the bat and beat him in a couple tries.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, March 05, 2013, 07:51:36 AM
I managed to avoid an attack and roll past the red dragon last night.  That ended up being a colossal waste of time.  There's a bonfire and a shortcut back there, but nothing else.  The items on the bridge weren't worth the trouble.  And to add insult to injury the dragon flew away after I got behind him and has yet to come back.  Come back dragon!  I want to slay you!
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, March 05, 2013, 08:15:52 PM
Don't worry, he isn't gone. He just wants to throw you a surprise party.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, March 06, 2013, 06:10:46 AM
Farmed 20k souls and opened the glowing door by the bonfire.  Nothing but a bunch of dudes that want to kill me behind it.  I managed to run around and collect the loot before I perished, at least anything remotely visible.  I went down to the depths last night.  Found a cool ring that replenishes 30HP for every kill but kinda got lost.  I ended up getting caught between two basilisks and got cursed.  Now I have to find the cure.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Wednesday, March 06, 2013, 06:00:15 PM
Ok, I finally waded into the depths. I was doing ok, unlocked the bonfire (that Master key I took at the start has been really handy), and was taking things nice and slow. I saw the giant rat and came up on a fog door...I assume the fog door lead in to him, so before I did that I wanted to explore a bit more. There was a side path I hadn't been down, so I start wal...

God damn it! I fell down a hole! Which is terrible because now you're in the middle of some place. Which way is going deeper and which way is back out? Fuck! So I tried to stay calm and handle just whats in front of me. I'll find stairs eventually.

So now I meet these frog bastards. I'm guessing they are the curse-givers based on the meter and the weird shit they were spraying. Luckily I avoided being cursed and was able to make a "safe" area. Got that healing ring which was much appreciated, and saw a something or the other to pick up but I had to jump over this hole to do it. I could not make that jump! Ugh, drove me crazy. But thats when I noticed these...things. Spikey looking statues were just appearing all over the place, more of them every time I attempted that jump. They didn't move and I didn't dare attack them, but there were so many I forgot about the treasure I was after and got the fuck out of there. Didn't want those things coming to life or something.

I eventually found my way back up to where I had been before and had a seat at the bonfire to heal. I might kindle this one so I can have some more flasks in this place. Next time I'm going to go deal with the giant rat.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, March 06, 2013, 07:34:16 PM
@Idol
I hate those frogs (basilisks).
That smoke they spew, it can curse you.
If that meters fills up, you'll be cursed.
I don't wish that madness on anyone. It's killer.

Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, March 06, 2013, 08:24:40 PM
I had to farm for a few minutes to buy the cure, but now I'm back in the game.  Made it to the boss of the depths.  HUGEEEEEEEEEAH.

not real sure how to proceed with him.  I've been attacking him from a distance with arrows but i may try and melee him.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Wednesday, March 06, 2013, 08:33:31 PM
Ok, turns out the weird statues are actually other players being cursed in that area. I feel kinda good getting through there in one piece because there were a lot of statues. Didn't locate the boss but I have a good idea where he is now.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Wednesday, March 06, 2013, 09:17:35 PM
I wish I could actually watch you guys play. You should find a way to stream this shit. What versions are you guys playing, just out of curiosity?

I had a similar circumstances to idol except I got murdered. I got ambushed by like 4 of the fuckers and was cursed pretty much before I even had time to get my bearings. I tried to run, but just ran into another group which finished me off.

As I recall, that boss isn't super hard, but it's a pretty long fight (or was for me).
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Wednesday, March 06, 2013, 09:44:14 PM
I'm playing on PS3, fully patched up and I bought the DLC. Really tempted to get my hands on the PC version, though. Probably will at some point, but that will be after I beat it on PS3.

I should see, maybe I can record some audio of me playing some sections. Can use my ipod for that. If it ends up being kind of interesting I'll post it.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Wednesday, March 06, 2013, 09:58:33 PM
Awesome! Also do commentary!
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, March 06, 2013, 10:09:00 PM
I went back and finished the boss.  As long as you stay behind him and two-hand a weapon you can make fairly short work of him.  I got the key to Blighttown.  I guess we get to see just how bad this framerate can get!
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Thursday, March 07, 2013, 11:53:31 AM
Well, I was going to do commentary on my fight with the gaping dragon but I was concentrating so hard to kill it that I wouldn't be talking anyway or if I was talking I'd get myself killed.

So I did a couple things first. I will admit, I had a peek at a guide to see if I was missing anything down there. And I was. I grabbed the spider shield above the giant rat room, and then went human to have the NPC invader show up. He won't show up if the boss is dead, and then you won't be able to get the cool spikey armor later on in that playthrough. Of course the bastard shows up when theres a basilisk still running around. I was able to kill the basilisk and then it was a fairly mundane fight with the dude. I got a spikey shield off him that causes bleeding when I bash with it.

The dragon itself was a bit of a bastard. Luckily as I was going that way I walked around the upper area of the arena and got the attention of one of those spell casting dudes. I figure he would start shooting at me as I fought the dragon so it gave me a chance to go back and kill him first.

Ok, moment of truth! Oh, hello Solaire! Nah, thanks for the offer, its cool bro. I got this.

I don't got this.

I came close, but that tail hurts like a motherfucker if you don't get out of the way fast enough. Ok, lets try this again but switch out my heavy armor for something lighter so I can run and move quicker. That should do it.

That didn't do it.

Switching my armor out seemed to make my weapon do significantly less damage. Thats also when I figured out what that vomit stuff that doesn't hurt did. It doesn't hurt me, it hurts my weapon! So now my drake sword has 15/250 durability so it was going to break in the next fight. Shit. Luckily I had made a longsword+5, so I ran with that. And I had 3 of those lightning boosting things to give me a little more punch. I got in there, grabbed my souls, hit the dragon a couple times...man, this really seems to hurt him. He's going down!

He's not going down.

God damnit! I used up all my lightning things and my souls are in the arena so I can't level up or repair anything. I hop on IRC, taking a little break. If I get too frustrated I play even worse. I've gotten the dragon down close to death a few times but then I mess up and get caught. Kman tells me to cut off his tail for a weapon. Sure, why not? I can focus on that and at least get something out of the fight. Turns out thats a generally good strategy because once his tail comes off that tail move he does has next to no reach, which makes him a lot less dangerous to maneuver around. I end up killing him on that attempt, so now I've got the Blighttown key! This should be interesting. Once I figure out where the door is...
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Thursday, March 07, 2013, 01:28:36 PM
It's the gate beside the vendor you can access before going down to the boss fight.  In the room with the two slimes and two rats.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Thursday, March 07, 2013, 01:39:59 PM
I never saw that guy. Weird.

*EDIT*

Huh, yeah. I didn't even notice the opening in that fence. Guess I could have farmed some souls and bought more lightning stuff from the merchant in there.

I just did a quick walk into Blighttown, at least to the first bonfire. I do not like this place.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Thursday, March 07, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
Blighttown, for as bad as the framerate is, is horribly difficult, annoying, and just fucking awesome. I loved to hate it the whole way through. And there's lots of cool stuff to see around there, and then the next place is even more horrible and made me angry! Yay! I found my covenant after Blighttown, which I thought was a really cool one.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Thursday, March 07, 2013, 04:03:42 PM
God I want to get off these fucking scaffolds! Can't see shit, its cramped so when someone comes to attack you can easily run off the side. I hate this place.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Thursday, March 07, 2013, 04:10:39 PM
I know! Isn't it great? I also got murdered by like 3 invaders there. Almost beat each one then died. I was fuming to the point where I was ready to attack my TV with a hammer. haha
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Thursday, March 07, 2013, 05:30:00 PM
So it turns out poison and toxic are two different things and I was very very unprepared for one of them! I think I'm going to climb out of this hellhole and do a bit of farming so I can stock up up as many mosses as I can get my hands on. No sense in making this place harder on myself. Especially with those asshole dart spitters.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Thursday, March 07, 2013, 09:11:33 PM
Yeah, absolutely don't bother going in there unprepared. You want to have what you need, and you're going to go through shitloads of mosses down there. It does get better, though, don't worry. You do eventually purge a lot of the worst of it.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Friday, March 08, 2013, 12:06:35 AM
I had stocked up on some mosses to handle poison, but I underestimated just how much of that shit was down here. That and I didn't think to grab toxic curing stuff. Oops. Probably a good idea for me to level up and upgrade my weapons/armor. Takes 4 swings to take down the regular guys here so I think the drake sword is getting to the end of its usefulness. Either that or I seriously need to build up my STR stat. Or both.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Friday, March 08, 2013, 07:24:22 AM
My trips to Blighttown have been an exercise in frustration so far.  Saw the framerate dips, and I hope they don't get worse.  I hoped the barbarians didn't respawn.  I was wrong.

It's taking 4 swings for me down here too, Idol, and Str is one of my top attributes.  I think it's time to check into putting that blacksmith to work on upgrading some gear. 

Idol and I have been talking about it on IRC, but I've been looking REAL hard at the retail "Prepare to Die" edition.  it comes with an art book, Soundtrack, making of DVD, a poster, and a set of 5 postcards.  It's available from a third party reseller for 35.99 with Amazon fulfillment.  I figure the cheapest I could get a digital version is 15 bucks.  Not requiring steam (and actually being able to take a toon offline) has to be worth something as well.  So what I'm trying to decide is if it's worth the 20 dollar premium to have the feelies and no Steam on a game I already own and have invested a significant amount of time in already.  I fear it won't get cheaper, though, and will only become harder to find since it is an import.

One thing I do know is that I want the PC version regardless of what happens.  It is the definitive version of the game and is definitely something I will return to one day.

Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Friday, March 08, 2013, 02:00:47 PM
OK, so I was tooling around on Amazon.co.uk seeing how many copies of the game they had (Idol and I were debating the availability).  Ends up the game is only 27 bucks after shipping from Amazon.co.uk.  Supposedly they won't ship PC games to the US, but I was able to place my order.  So here's hoping!
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Saturday, March 09, 2013, 10:46:16 PM
I am sort of at a crossroads here.  Thus far I've been able to make do with whatever armor sets I find along the way and the Drake sword.  In fact the only thing I've bothered upgrading is the Long bow to +5.  I've tried every weapon I have other than the Drake sword and they just don't measure up to my play style.  I'm also not sure what armor I want to upgrade moving forward.   I like the fast movement of the shadow set, but I'd really like some more armor. 

Instead of progressing forward today, I went back for some mop up duty.  I finished all the black knights in the Asylum, and went back to Drake Valley and killed a few of the smaller dragons as well as the large one.  I also found the catacombs and died pretty fast afterward.

If any of you guys have any insight on gear, by all means.  Everyone seems to have a different answer on the Interwebs.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, March 10, 2013, 12:18:40 AM
There's quite a lot of it and it really depends on your build. Gear in this game starts to get very specific as you go, where you're using certain pieces in order to achieve different goals. My build was a nimble faith build where I used the Dark Wood Grain Ring and Mask of the Father (increase equip load) in accordance with my stats to stay acrobatic despite wearing some heavier armor and wielding the Greatsword of Artorias. The whole setup was really geared toward that end, though it wasn't something I decided on until way into the game.

So yeah, you pretty much have it. You're going to get different answers everywhere, because any one decision you make is going to affect the others if you're being conscientious, and most people are going to be working toward pretty specific builds.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Sunday, March 10, 2013, 10:29:32 AM
I beefed myself up with the heaviest armor I have (Elite Knight armor) plus the Eagle Shield I managed to pick up in my short time in Blighttown, and went to take on Havel. He is still a bit of a bother since he has a lot of HP and do not let him hit you with your shield down, but with my setup he could no longer one-shot me. He still caused a little damage when hitting with certain attacks but they all bounced off and left him open to take a hit. Just keep dancing around him to recharge stamina and you will eventually wear him down. Just don't get greedy, get one hit in and back off with your shield up.

You might want to think about trying him, kman. Killing him gets you his ring which really boosts your equip load. Now when I run around in my heavy armor is like I'm in medium, and my thief armor for Blighttown I feel like the Flash.

I might go clean up the Asylum next.

Update: Asylum cleanup is going ok. The black knights are finally defeated, but the boss still stands. I also took care of the knight in Darkroot Basin and had a look at Valley of the Drakes. I didn't stick around long, those drakes look tough.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Sunday, March 10, 2013, 09:09:52 PM
I finally took down Havel.  I had to train myself to wait on dodging until the very last second, and was able to get in behind and backstab him to death.

I have just about run out of things to do besides go to Blighttown.  I've put it off long enough.  i've got poison resist gear, enough moss to last several lifetimes, and all my equipment is repaired and good to go.  I will just have to accept the fact that normal baddies take 4 hits to die...
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Monday, March 11, 2013, 08:16:30 PM
My preparation for Blighttown is taking a little time, but I think I'm about ready to get in there. I killed the undead dragon in the Valley of the Drakes and got the nice sword he guards. Once upgraded it is currently about on par with the drake sword, but has a nice long stabbing motion strong attack instead of the drakes wide swing. Not so good for crowds, but in the game you should be avoiding crowds anyway. The nice part is this swords damage scales with STR, DEX, and Faith. I don't plan on putting more in faith (I had to bump it up to 14 to properly wield the sword), but I'm keeping my dex and str up so I will be causing more damage as I go.

To get those extra faith levels and pay for the upgrades...I needed to soul farm. I started off under the bridge with the red dragon, because one attack from him killed all the skeletons on the bridge netting about 550 souls. Not bad and really safe, but climbing up and down that ladder was time consuming for the number of souls you get. I had a look at the wiki to see if there was some place else I could go to do it. I ended up down in the Depths farming the slimes with my new found pyromancy skills. Each run was more interesting, fairly quick, and got me 1000 souls. As a bonus the slimes would drop large titanite and green titanite for upgrading equipment later and the rats would drop humanities.

Turns out, I should have been doing this a bit differently. Just inside the door in Darkroot you can do some really quick and easy soul farming and I would have been better served saving up to do that. Oh well. I have that open now so if I need souls for something I know where to go, but right now I think I'll just save up to buy a few more mosses and then get into Blighttown.

While in the valley of drakes I found a "back" entrance to Blighttown. I don't know where this is in relation to the other entrance and I wonder if it might be a good place to start from or not. Guess I could go find out.

Oh, forgot to say. The new sword physical damage is much lower than the drake, but it also deals holy damage. So I need to watch out for enemies that can resist that. On the plus side it allowed me to kill the skeletons in the graveyard so I could go loot everything including the winged spear. Weee!
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Monday, March 11, 2013, 08:31:54 PM
That "back" entrance from the Valley of Drakes into Blighttown is closer to the boss of that area, though whether or not it is easier than going in the front entrance, I don't remember. You would have access to some high ground early on if you went in the back way, but I don't remember if its close to the dart spitters or not, which were the primary source of frustration for me there.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 05:23:49 AM
I decided to upgrade a longsword to Divine +5 rather than invest the twinkling titanite into the astoria sword.  I like it so far, and it only cost me about 20 minutes of farming the slime room near the bonfire in the depths.  I got preoccupied with that and never got around to hitting blighttown last night.  Oh well, i'll be there soon enough.

I love the fact that I can augment my weaponry and check my inventory at bonfires.  Great design decision over Demon's.
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Post by: K-man on Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 09:36:30 AM
I ordered Dark Souls Prepare to Die Retail from Amazon.co.uk Saturday afternoon.  It arrived this morning.

Holy crap.
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Post by: K-man on Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 07:45:09 PM
Oh, Blighttown. 

I finally stopped being a pansy and dove in.  My first trip was cut short by a barbarian at the entrance.  Ok.  Regroup.  I make it into Blighttown.  I attempt to jump over the chasm to obtain the iaito sword.  I fall to my death.

I know right then it's gonna be a long evening.

I make it back through, get the iaito, and make my way over to the first bonfire.  I immediately use some humanity and kindle the fire.  I proceed carefully through, stopping any time I hear the pinging of poison darts off obstacles.  I'm able to snipe most of the blowdart dudes before they become an issue.  I end up down in the swamp area where i am invaded.  Later I find that his is a scripted invasion.  No biggie, I dispatch her no problem.  I get to the water wheel and my dumb ass jumps off before I should have.  I hit the ground.  Dead.  FUCK.

I decided to kindle the bonfire again since I was having a difficult time. I  had already burned through 8 estus before my death by falling.  Whoops, I can't kindle past 10.  I'm stuck human with humanity.  GREAT.  I manage to make it back down to the swamp.  I run around trying to find another bonfire.  There has to be one.  I get the prompt "YOU HAVE BEEN INVADED!" FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.  I'm running around and I see it.  Oh beautiful bonfire.  I run over to it and realize that apparently I can do nothing with it during an invasion.  Shit.  Maybe he'll give up and disconnect.  About three seconds after I think that, he walks into the bonfire area and one-shots me with what appears to be some sort of lightsaber.

I die a few more times on the way to my body, losing a decent amount of souls.  Oh well.  Those are replaceable now.  I manage to find my way out of the area using the New Londo shortcut.  Thankfully.  Now it's time to regroup and recharge, and perhaps explore some of the new gear I looted down there.  I got another fire soul but went back to the shrine to find that the chick is now dead.  I was able to loot her.

I dunno, fuck.  I hope that was scripted.  The fire is out at the shrine too so I had to go all the way to blacksmith to save.
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Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 08:33:44 PM
I dunno, fuck.  I hope that was scripted.  The fire is out at the shrine too so I had to go all the way to blacksmith to save.

That event is scripted.  There is a sidequest you can do to get things back to normal, but I won't go into detail about it unless you want me to.
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Post by: K-man on Thursday, March 14, 2013, 05:21:19 AM
Don't.  Just knowing it was scripted is enough of a relief for me.

I went back down to the swamp area last night and mopped up some items I had left down there.  I now have a few more swords and armor sets.  Not sure if any of it will replace what I have currently but I'm going to check it out.

I ended up divine +5ing a longsword, so I may hit the catacombs after I go fight whatever boss is down in the swamp.
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Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Thursday, March 14, 2013, 09:46:09 AM
......so I may hit the catacombs......

I don't want to tell you how to play the game and I want to avoid spoilers, but to avoid some further frustration, I would avoid the catacombs until much later than you are thinking.  It will be partially spelled out for you when you need to go down there.
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Post by: Quemaqua on Thursday, March 14, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
What the fuck, man? I was really looking forward to the stories resulting from that trip. haha
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Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Thursday, March 14, 2013, 06:29:20 PM
What the fuck, man? I was really looking forward to the stories resulting from that trip. haha

Haha, I didn't think about that.  That area is really annoying though.
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Post by: K-man on Friday, March 15, 2013, 05:12:58 AM
I dove back down into Blighttown to fight Quelaag.  My best attempt was the first.

I think I'm going to check out what fire resist gear I have and go from there.  Bitch is tough.  Thankfully she's somewhat easy to get to.
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Post by: Quemaqua on Friday, March 15, 2013, 06:55:16 AM
Yeah, she was a plateau moment for me. I just couldn't get past her at first. Had to go away and come back with a few better items, but even after changing items and stuff it was still rough. The internet doesn't seem to think she's all that tough, but I had a hell of a time. Was very satisfying when I finally got her down.
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Post by: K-man on Friday, March 15, 2013, 05:23:19 PM
Beat her convincingly on my 4th try tonight.  Finally found out what the snoring at Firelink was about!  Went to Sen's Fortress.  Got raped.

Fun times!
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Post by: idolminds on Friday, March 15, 2013, 06:29:48 PM
If you defeated the NPC invader and go at Quelaag in human form you can summon her to help you. If you have some decent ranged ability either with magic or arrows, she gets the bosses attention and you can keep your distance. I was still in human form when I got there and hadn't summoned anyone before so I figured I'd try it since I knew it was going to be a tough fight. You can probably also do melee which the boss is distracted but the lava made it difficult, so I switched to range. It took a while and the NPCs health was getting down there (that and she was an idiot trying to follow me when I was running to get some range...NO! You stay here and make the boss mad at you! Stop leading it to me!), but she lived and the boss was defeated.

But to back up a little, I entered Blighttown through the Depths because...well, because. Seemed like the right thing to do. I flubbed the jump to pick up that one katana style sword, but I managed to get my souls and humanity back as well as made the jump on my second attempt. Woo! Sword!

Speaking of loot, there was some other loot in that upper area that I didn't get yet. Good part is coming in from the Depths is pretty quick so I can go loot that stuff later.

Making the way down the scaffolding was probably the hardest part since there isn't much room to move and you can fall easily. Plus the framerate can take a dive making it even trickier. Plus plus those damn blowdart guys. They managed to poison me a couple times but I had plenty of cure. In fact I probably didn't need near as many as I brought, but it was good to have just in case and I'm sure will be useful as I got forward. A scary moment after I had killed a dart blower with arrows I steped to far to the side and fell down...on top of like 3 of those fire bugs and those damn mosquitos. I freaked out at first but managed to just deal with it and survived the encounter without much health loss.

At last I reached the swamp itself and found the other bonfire. Big sigh of relief. I then of course worked my way back up the waterwheels, full of bugs, dart blowers, and those fire dogs. Bastards. Died a couple times taking care of the dart guys but then it wasn't so bad. The dogs did manage to get me down to one pixel of health as I went to pick up the fire keeper soul. That was WAY too close.

I had a run around the swamp looking for loot. That back area full of leeches was scary. I ran my ass off and didnt fight any of them. I think I got everything back there but didn't want to risk fighting all those things while being poisoned right now. My Vitality is actually still pretty low, I think 15 or so.

So yeah, after the boss fight I rang the second bell and saw the new area open. Weee!
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Saturday, March 16, 2013, 07:03:54 AM
I was tooling around in the cemetery last night and encountered a pretty nasty bug.  If you are parried by one of the skeletons you fall through the ground to your death.  It happened the first time and I thought maybe it was something random, but then it happened again.

I went down to the Demon Ruins to check things out.  not much else down there but some docile huge thing and a dead body holding something.  Oh look a set of armor OH SHIT THAT WOKE HIM UP.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Saturday, March 16, 2013, 04:49:17 PM
God you guys make me want to play this again so bad.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Sunday, March 17, 2013, 01:37:58 PM
I didn't know where to go after Blighttown. The new dude that showed up at Firelink seems to indicate I should be going into Sens Fortress but those lizard dudes are assholes. Makes me feel like I'm not really ready for that yet.

Instead I went into the Catacombs. With the sword I have I am able to kill the skeletons in 3 hits, 2 with the heavy hit. And thanks to the holy damage the skeletons stay dead. Good. At first I was just going to "peek" inside and leave, but ultimately I got a really long ways down in there. Taking arrows with is a good idea to draw skeletons to you from a distance. Also always walk slowly into areas where skeletons might form. If you listen carefully for the sound of them coming together and back up, you can get lucky and have them form one at a time. Doing this I got a long way down without much incident.

Dropping through the ceiling and seeing the cutscene I was freaked out. Oh shit, a boss! Since I was just taking a "peek" in here I didn't rest at any of the bonfires. Turns out the badass skeleton is in fact a blacksmith. Whew! I was worried for a second. I had a look at what he could offer me and then walked through the wall he busted open....and was promptly killed by those fucking wheel skeletons. Unlike every other fight you've had to this point, they do not just bounce off your shield after the first strike. So if you hear the clang and instinctively attack...well, I hope you like losing all your souls.

I was brought all the way back to the bonfire above the other blacksmith near Undead Parish. I had like 21k souls but I'm not too concerned about them. Getting the 5 humanity back would be nice, though. At least I got some new loot and the place isn't as scary as I once thought. I'll probably go back in there to get that back and maybe find the boss.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, March 17, 2013, 07:27:14 PM
Those wheelie dudes are a bitch. They aren't really so bad, but until you know the places they hang out, they can catch you by surprise and kill you really quick. And there's one other space in the game where they're just kind of fucking hard to avoid.

Those snake dudes will be chumps for a lot of the game, but yeah, when you first get into Sen's they definitely smack you in the face well and truly. I spent a lot of time there even though overall it was probably my least favorite environment. Not just from straight dying, but trying to find everything, figure out how to get through certain spots, trying to overcome a few troublesome bits. In the end it's a pretty satisfying area with a lot to do and a great finish that leads to what—for me, at least—was a jaw-hanging moment and some of my favorite parts of the game (including several that made me seriously consider pulling the disc out of the drive and crushing it with a hammer—you'll know when you get there).
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Post by: K-man on Monday, March 18, 2013, 05:19:15 AM
I didn't get to play nearly as much as I wanted to over the weekend, which is probably good.  I've put a bunch of hours in recently and I've got some HUD-related image retention in my plasma.  It should all go away, but I wanted to give it a break regardless.

I did manage to beat the Ceaseless Discharge Saturday night.  I proceeded down far enough to find that former bosses are now regular enemies in this area.  I know I'm not ready, so I turned back (after testing my luck and dying, of course).  I'm going to look into some more gear builds tonight, and I may finally get around to upgrading some armor.  I'm going to have to get some practice in on the guillotines in Sen's Fortress.  I can't quite judge the depth well enough to avoid the close ones.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Monday, March 18, 2013, 05:32:11 AM
Ugh, Ceaceless Discharge, that fucking asshole. Bad memories.
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Post by: MysterD on Monday, March 18, 2013, 05:23:23 PM
I made my way to the Gaping Dragon yesterday...
...and it owned my ass.
{shrug}
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Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 02:31:34 PM
I went back into the Catacombs to get my souls and humanity back. I failed. I missed the ledge leading down to the blacksmith and died from the fall. Blah. But it gave me a fresh start inside so I moved on. More exploring, I think I killed all the necromancers. Everything else is just skeletons so its not too terrible. I pissed off some wheel skeletons and then ran up a ladder...only to fall through the floor onto an axe wielding black knight. He isn't too hard to kill if you pace yourself. Get greedy and he kills you. Which I found out because I got greedy. Luckily getting back to him and killing him was simple enough. The good part of dropping in where he stands is it gives you a great vantage point to then snipe those damn wheel skeletons with arrows. Its time consuming to kill them all but you are perfectly safe up there.

I dropped down but there wasn't much interesting in the big room. Then I found the fog gate to what I assumed (and was correct about) the boss. I only had like 6k souls on me so I ran over to the blacksmith and stocked up on arrows so at least if I was killed I wouldn't lose much. Turns out I was being overly cautious because I killed the boss in one go. Pushover. Ok, he did almost kill me once because I got in a bad position and got hit in the back with some magic but I had plenty of time to heal and keep going. Got the Mask of the Mother for my trouble (crap) as well as the Rite of Kindling (GOOD!).

Now...where to next...
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 05:10:22 PM
Heh, yeah, that boss is cake. The next bit after that, though... heh. I look forward to your report.
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Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 06:04:31 PM
Yeah I wasn't about to go traipsing around in there. Pitch black and little glowy things leading you in? Nice try, Dark Souls.

On my way back out of the catacombs I walked past a breakable wall that has a developer note on the ground that says "Treasure". Hmmm...couple archer skeletons and a drop down into inky blackness...what could go wrong? I spent my souls from the boss kill so I didnt have anything to lose so I jumped on in. There were 3-4 skeletons down there waiting for me which is not a good number of skeletons to have. Plus the archers were still shooting down at me. Cleared them out, popped a flask, and moved on...into a giant skeleton! Not a big deal, they are like the ones topside in the graveyard. I forgot how much stamina their kick takes, though. Behind him was a ring that has some mysterious use in anor londo or something, and a miracle that slows enemies near me. Not bad.
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Post by: K-man on Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 08:11:54 AM
I don't really have a ton to report.  Tooled around in the Catacombs some last night before deciding to go back to Sen's Fortess.  Pretty sure I'm just going to stick it out there.  I'm trying to work toward the first bonfire in there, wherever that is.  I hate the guillotines.

The lizard men are not such a huge deal any more.  I'm carrying that eagle shield, and it seems to negate their effectiveness just fine.

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Post by: K-man on Thursday, March 21, 2013, 05:15:15 AM
Man Sen's fortress has been slow going.  It seems like i fall victim to every trap they laid in that thing.  I still haven't even found the first bonfire yet. 
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Post by: Pugnate on Thursday, March 21, 2013, 06:21:18 AM
I hate this thread. It makes me want to play along with you guys. I wish I had the time. Entertaining read it all though.
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Post by: K-man on Thursday, March 21, 2013, 06:24:01 AM
Aw man.  I sort of hate that we're spoiling so much for you.

The thrill (and fear) of discovery is part of the allure!
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Post by: Pugnate on Thursday, March 21, 2013, 09:59:50 AM
Don't worry.. I will forget everything I read.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Thursday, March 21, 2013, 01:29:24 PM
Ceaseless Discharge is actually the easiest boss ever. Kman told me I should go grab the armor down in the Demon Ruins since you don't have to fight anything to get there and it has good fire resist. I was going into Blighttown anyway to grab some loot I missed so it wasn't even out of the way

Sure enough, theres nothing to get in the way except those egg dudes. Only 2 wanted to follow me but they were slow and easy to outrun. I see the fog gate and head on over. Sneaking in slowly and the boss just sits there. Maybe hes bugged? Hmmmm, oh look loot! Oh look, HE WOKE UP! Fuck! I was not ready to take him on so I figured maybe I can run back to the fog gate and drop down the side? Well, no that didn't look like a fall I could survive...even if it went anywhere. At least if I hug the gate then when he kills me I can come back and grab my souls from the other side. I mean I already got my loot, and I was able to get my souls through the fog door at Capra. It wasn't a lot of souls but I had to fight things in Blighttown so might as well try and keep them. So I stand back, shield up and wait for death.

Then something happened. CD jumps at me because of that pit and grabs on to the path to keep from falling in. Might as well attack his hand...blob...thing. A few whacks later he lets go and falls into the pit. Dead. His entire healthbar goes, I get the loot, and the lava cools to form a path. Well, that was easy.

On the way out I attack one of the egg dudes. The maggots kill me. Go figure.
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Post by: Quemaqua on Thursday, March 21, 2013, 07:42:52 PM
What the fuck? I don't know what your level was like versus mine when I went in there, but that was far and away the hardest boss of the game for me, even in a full load of fire-resist equipment. Though I don't think I had whatever armor you guys are talking about. It was close to one-shot kill on me when he did the big fire blast thing, and once he's awake, you have to be at your quickest to get from the entrance to that area toward the back where you can dodge it. Looking at videos, I suspect this may have been patched or altered, because it was a MUCH closer call for me every time I ran in there, and he was never standing as far back along the ridge as he seems to be for everyone else.

Damage isn't the hard part with that guy, surviving long enough to do the fucking damage is the hard part. Or was for me. Actually, I think I did better when I first woke him up than I did on the next 5 or 6 runs. At that point it was all just figuring out how the fuck to survive the initial blast and what patterns he runs after that. I suspect you may have gotten really lucky and avoided the worst and killed him quick enough that he just didn't do anything too terrible.

But yeah, looking at YouTube vids, almost every single "how to kill CD" one has people killing him when he first wakes up. If he's already awake, it appears you can get him to lunge at you and launch an arm behind the shield rock, which he didn't do with me. He'd just stand on the other side and keep blasting (which is tricky as it can even hit you like at the edge of the rock where you think you'd still be safe), so I had to run OUT and be exposed to do any damage to him at all, which always risked getting slammed on the head with his arms or that he'd do the big fire blast and one-shot me or leave me nearly dead.

I wonder if this has changed or if it's just a positional thing where he was standing in a certain spot or something. Either way, this dude kicked my ass a good dozen or so times.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Thursday, March 21, 2013, 08:11:07 PM
I looked at the wiki, and yeah I guess if he manages to kill you the first time as you grab the armor, then to do the scripted kill thing you have to get to the altar so he brings his arm out. Which he can kill you trying to do that. Guess I got lucky by being a coward. I grabbed the gear, heard him roar, and I booked.
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Post by: K-man on Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 05:16:26 AM
I went back into Sen's last night with the sole intention of finding the bonfire there and getting a foothold.  I died a few times on the way there, but finally managed to make it.  Then I decided to just explore and see what I could find.  I killed one of the giants thinking he would not respawn.  I was wrong, and worried that I might run out of arrows.  Thankfully I found a merchant. 

So I find the fog door.  Off to the side of that room is a walkway over to a summon.  I decided to summon.  It was a good idea, too, because both of us made real short work of the boss.  I won't spoil what comes next for you, Idol, just let me know when you're out of Sen's.

A word of advice, though.  Mimics exist in this game.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 01:06:43 PM
Is it just me, or do you guys find arrows to be the solution to like... everything? haha

And yeah K, I love that whole bit after Sen's. So good. And actually, that's a pretty easy boss to solo, he's one of the closest the game has to a pushover for melee fighters.
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Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 02:40:11 PM
I defeated the Gaping Dragon the other night.
Once I bought a better sword and figured out its pattern, it was pretty easy - especially compared to Capra Demon.

On my way to Blighttown.
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Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 03:00:21 PM
Is it just me, or do you guys find arrows to be the solution to like... everything? haha
Arrows are extremely useful, you need to give them a shot (pun). The game won't cut you any breaks so if I can get in there and do something safely with arrows, then why not?

Case in point: I made my way into Sens Fortress tonight. I was doing ok, made a couple mistakes and got smacked by some boulders. But I get through a second fog door and see a giant. Well he cant get over here, whatever. I'll just go up these...BOOM! FIRE! ARG! WTF was that?! I look up and see this other giant thats hurling these massive firebombs. Shit, how do I get past all this while everythings burning? Well...poison arrows. 2-3 shots and hes poisoned. Does like 500 damage over time, then I had to re-apply it. I had to do a lot of waiting (so I poisoned the other giant, just because) but sure enough they both died. This allowed me to continue without having to try and dodge the firenukes he was throwing.

Also kman, thanks for a heads up about mimics. I was stabbing every chest I saw and finally hit one. They are tough bastards.
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Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 05:14:43 PM
It's just funny to me because I went melee the entire game (including both giants) except for 2 occasions. One was the dragon's tail, which netted me the as you know very useful reward. The other you guys will recognize when you see it because it's just after where you are and it is FUCKING ASSBALLS PILE OF SHIT ARG. Ugh. The one part of the game that made me literally want to smash my PS3 with my teeth. And there is absolutely no way to avoid it, you have to get through it or die trying, which I did like three dozen times, getting so close each time. It's awful. But with your arrows you might be able to find a way... I'm not sure. The first part for sure, but the next two dudes you have to deal with probably not.

But god, such a good game. Even that moment just makes me want to play it more. You guys are killing me, but it's awesome.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 05:21:37 PM
I went toe-to-toe with the giant up top, but didn't see a convenient way over to the other one.

I use arrows in a lot of situations.  Either pulling, kiting, or straight up killing something ahead of time so I can safely tread forward.  When in doubt, shoot it in the face with arrows.

Also, I realized today that I've gone two-hand with every boss I've fought so far.
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Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 05:27:46 PM
Heh, I don't think Ive ever gone 2 handed for any length of time. I will sometimes switch to it when I know I can get in there and pound (like Gaping Dragon), but otherwise I've always got my shield and its almost always up in the ready to rock position.
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Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 07:28:41 PM
I spent a pretty good amount of time in defensive posture, but went 2-handed when it was called for, which was on a semi-regular basis.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 06:56:17 AM
Anor Londo is quickly becoming my favorite part of the game.  I'm not a huge fan of those lightning gargoyle things, though.  I have to say, From's level design in this game has been stellar so far.  I really love how everything connects together in one form or fashion, and how everything feels organic and not forced.

This is firmly in my top 5 of the generation, but by the end it may be one of my top games of all time.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 09:00:17 AM
Also, I encountered the best note placement of all time last night:

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/885128_939365696978_175886578_o.jpg)
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 10:34:37 AM
Hahaha... yeah, but wait 'till you get a bit further. You'll probably find that one again at an even more appropriate place.

But yeah, I'm in agreement with you on that assessment of the game, and that area too. I think basically everything from Anor Londo and beyond was just stellar. The game continues to ramp up all the way until the end, with very cool moments, great level design, beautifully artistic renderings of everything, and this went all the way up until the final boss fight which I was horribly frustrated by because it is hard. Gear yourself up for that. Because it kind of sucks a little bit, and when you lose, there's a pretty annoying run you have to make every single time. That for me was one of the few missteps of the game. I didn't mind the really harsh boss fight, but forcing you to get back to him each time was lame given how many times you have to die just to get some semblance of an idea about to actually beat him. I'm curious how you guys will find that to be when you get there.

Still, even that and the few other negatives one can levy against the game don't knock it more than a trifling amount downward for me. It really is stunning, and I love the fact that it continues to get more crazy and more stunning as it goes. Anor Londo made me feel so very... just... small and out of my depth. I could deal with the stuff there, and got pretty good at dealing with the enemies and such, but it never lost that wow feeling of something big and mighty that was no longer controlled, of a hugely concrete backstory that we only get to see bits and pieces of.

In fact, that's one of the things I loved most about the game. There's really very little straight-up story being told, yet if you read all the item descriptions and find all those tattered little pieces of the world that shape and describe it, you get such a great feeling of being a small part of something substantially bigger than you are, of events you get only the tiniest glimpse of that clearly reshaped what must have been a very different world, and reshaped it down to its roots. This amazed me, and no other game has done it exactly the way this has. At least not that I've played. It's easy to miss if you're the kind of person to just rush around and pay no attention, but if you do take your time to look at the details, the story reward is huge. It really gives every enemy and especially some of the key bosses a real context that they would otherwise lack.

I think that, beyond anything else, is what really cranked this game into true masterpiece territory for me. Great gameplay is essential to any game, but this one is firing on all cylinders, and with a methodology you just don't see much in modern games.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Thursday, March 28, 2013, 01:22:15 PM
Got a little farther in Anor Londo last night.  Found the knights with great bows and subsequently got impaled by a spear-sized arrow, which sent me flying off the bridge I was running toward them on.

The lightning demon dudes are no joke either.  Idol if you've got a lightning resist shield I'd have it handy for Anor Londo, for sure.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Thursday, March 28, 2013, 01:43:58 PM
Haha, now you know what I'm talking about. God, those fuckers. Ugh. At that one spot where you have to rush the dude, or try to take him out from a distance, then sandwiched by them on either side... god damn it.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Friday, March 29, 2013, 05:29:54 AM
I was bitching to Idol about that part again last night on IRC, and was like "the hell with it, one more shot!"

This time I apparently scared the archer so much that he jumped off the building.  THANKFULLY there's a bonfire afterwards.  Unfortunately the area with the bonfire seems to be populated exclusively by silver knights, who at this point can wipe the floor with me unless I'm REAL careful.

I'm starting to think I was woefully unprepared for Anor Londo.  It's too far to go back now, though.  I know there's a blacksmith here, I just have to find him.  I am running dangerously low on arrows (Dark Souls crack), and I could stand to level some weapons and perhaps some armor.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Friday, March 29, 2013, 06:44:49 AM
One thing I love is how this game rewards exploration.  Think you can make a jump over to a ledge?  Chances are there's a treasure for your efforts.  I also like the hidden walls.  Last night I was able to find Havel's entire set with the dragon tooth.  I didn't equip it, but I'd say my Strength is nowhere near enough.  I've basically been power leveling my endurance trying to get it to 40 ASAP, so everything else has sort of taken a back seat.

Also, Idol, once you get past those archers just start making a habit of attacking every chest you see.  Mimics are everywhere.

I am not sure how much farther in the game I have to go to finish it, but I have no clue what I'll play next.  This is going to be real tough to top.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Friday, March 29, 2013, 03:34:39 PM
Due to some of the things Kman has been describing, I decided it might be best if I leave Sens Fortress and do a little farming to upgrade my gear. I think my highest level weapon is a +6? Yeah, need to be upgrading. Luckily I was far enough in Sen's to unlock the shortcut, so there are only a couple snake dudes between me and the boss now. Note: going UP the shortcut is pretty easy because you can kill the mage and melee snakemen one at a time. Coming DOWN the shortcut after resting at the bonfire topside means the shortcut opens up right on one of the snakemen and gets the attention of that mage. While you're in a cage. That opens onto a narrow bridge. With swinging blades. Yeah. Good part is there isn't any real major reason to even use the Sen's bonfire anymore. Even if the boss kills you, its not that far of a run from the Undead Parish. Guess that depends on how many times you have to make that run.

Big Hat should be at Firelink now. Might pay him a visit. But then I'll just farm some materials and souls, upgrade some shit, and then tackle the boss.

I know why they would never put this in, but I would love that at the end of the game you could unlock a "tourist" mode where all the enemies are gone. The level design is so amazing that I'd enjoy just being able to walk around an admire it.

EDIT

Fun moment before I left Sens. I was up on this big catwalk, with the broken section that leads to the merchant if you're brave enough to attempt the jump. Well I finally got the firmware updated on my PS3 so i was back online. Good thing, because up on that catwalk was a bloodstain. I thought it's probably from someone missing the jump, this should be funny. But no, the ghost ran the other direction, and then obviously got hit a couple times and died. There isn't anything obvious there so I of course walked slow and started spinning the camera around, and thats when I saw the archer high above. It was a cool moment that made me appreciate the blood stains.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Friday, March 29, 2013, 09:10:02 PM
You've got a good ways yet, K. It's over the halfway point, I think, but there's still plenty of good stuff ahead.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Monday, April 01, 2013, 06:52:26 AM
I've only been able to play sporadically since I posted that last update.  I was able to farm about 30 humanity down in the depths, and I farmed a balder side sword before I left yesterday.  I'm pretty sure I'm going to take advantage of my humanity level (4 right now) and farm some more green titaninte so I can elemental upgrade some weaponry.  Course that means a trip to the catacombs.  Thankfully Idol says it's cake down there, so I'm all for that.

I just know gear wise I'm not ready for the rest of Anor Londo.  I also need to decide which armor set I want to upgrade.  I haven't upgraded any armor yet.  I think the game sort of plays toward being able to parry/roll around with ease, so it likely needs to be a set of light armor.  What did you guys end up using as your endgame set?
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Xessive on Monday, April 01, 2013, 08:16:49 AM
Well, since I gave away my PS3 copy a certain friend gifted this to me for PC, hoping to change my mind about it. Speaking of which it is apparently $15 on Amazon.com right now. I'll give it a fair shot and see how I feel about it after reading about your exploits.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Monday, April 01, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
Not to take it off topic, but thank for your Steam gift the other day!  I forgot to tell you.

I installed the PC version the other night.  Make sure to grab the resolution fix.  If I didn't already have 45 hours invested in the PS3 version I'd move to the PC.  It runs much, much better.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Xessive on Monday, April 01, 2013, 10:09:21 AM
Any time dude :) I love you guys, and the only way I can express it is by words on here or pseudo-material digital gifts! :P
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Wednesday, April 03, 2013, 03:35:25 PM
Well nothing new to report here. I'm still getting myself...situated before I continue. I want to level up some gear and get my INT up so Big Hat will sell to me. So thats mainly what Ive been doing.

This post is for some interesting Dark Souls news. PC mod allows instant summoning of your friends. (http://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls/comments/1bkuv1/pc_pvp_players_connectivity_fix_ensures_immediate/) It raises the priority of people in your friends list when you go to summon, either co-op or PvP. So if you want to actually play with your friends it is now super easy to do on PC. Pretty neat, even if thats not really how the system is supposed to work.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, April 03, 2013, 09:45:09 PM
I checked out the default game on PC and I was pretty shocked with how bad the framerate and resolution were. Durante's DSFix makes some remarkable strides in not only remedying these issues but adding features to improve the visuals altogether e.g. Ambient Occlusion, FXAA, etc. If you're on PC don't go without the DSFix!

I'm getting a little further in the game.. Still feeling so.. alone. It helps that I have you guys and some other friends pushing me to go further.

That's what happened to me with the original Neverwinter Nights. When I first played it I hated it, if it weren't for Pug pushing me to keep playing I would have written it off, instead I wound up discovering one of my favourite games. I'm not expecting Dark Souls to be the same but I want to give it a fair chance. Even if I still end up disliking it at least I'll have good reason rather than just early impressions.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Thursday, April 04, 2013, 05:03:13 AM
It takes a minute to hit your stride in Dark Souls, but once you do the game really starts to open up.

Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Thursday, April 04, 2013, 06:56:24 AM
My past few play sessions have been spent down in the depths farming souls and green titanite.  I've managed to farm somewhere in the neighborhood of 70 humanity with about 40-45 green titanite.  Not to mention about 60 large titanite shards.  I wonder how much green titanite I'll need, though.  I'm not planning on getting crazy stupid ascending a bunch of weapons to +5 elemental, but I'd like enough to experiment.  I am getting souls for my trouble on a decidedly easy farming run, though.  So I've been able to level a few times while I've been down here, with enough stock to level another couple times (once I figure out where I want to spend the stat points).

I've also been playing without a HUD during these farming sessions in an attempt to remove some of the image retention I've encountered while playing (well documented in the IRC channel).  I don't think it's permanent, as it has faded significantly, but I want to get it evened out again before I cause permanent damage with the next 50-60 hours of play.  I'm also going to play with the contrast down a tad.

I hit 50 hours of play last night, and apparently I have a long, long way to go.  I bought Pyro's sealed copy for 20 bucks, but looking back I could have paid full price and been incredibly happy.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Friday, April 05, 2013, 06:23:44 AM
OK.  At 80 Humanity, 60 large titanite shards, and 50 green titanite, I believe I'm done farming for a while.  I have leveled my endurance to 38.  2 more and I have to start thinking about what else I want to put points into.  Apparently Dex and Str are terrible stats to upgrade.  Reading some forums and such it appears I'd be better off putting points into faith and intelligence (and then vitality) because elemental weapons are some of the best in the game.  Apparently they lose the scale bonus when you make them elemental.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, April 06, 2013, 06:35:47 AM
SPOILERS GALORE for some of The Bosses & Later Areas in the below link...

For all you Dark Souls fans...
GameTrailers -> Their Top 10 Dark "Trolls". (http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/juh7kn/gt-countdown-top-10-dark-trolls)
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Saturday, April 06, 2013, 10:17:56 AM
For all you Dark Souls fans...
GameTrailers -> Their Top 10 Dark "Trolls". (http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/juh7kn/gt-countdown-top-10-dark-trolls)


TO ANYONE PLAYING THE GAME, THAT VIDEO HAS SOME SPOILERS FOR SOME OF THE BOSSES AND LATER AREAS IN THE GAME.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, April 06, 2013, 10:40:22 AM
TO ANYONE PLAYING THE GAME, THAT VIDEO HAS SOME SPOILERS FOR SOME OF THE BOSSES AND LATER AREAS IN THE GAME.

I thought this was a Spoilers Galore loaded thread...
Anyways, I added a warning before the link.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Saturday, April 06, 2013, 10:54:31 AM
It is, but that's because K and Idol are detailing their experiences. They still haven't gone through the game, though, so while they're warning everyone else about all the spoilers they're posting, I'm sure they don't want any themselves.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, April 06, 2013, 11:01:35 AM
It is, but that's because K and Idol are detailing their experiences. They still haven't gone through the game, though, so while they're warning everyone else about all the spoilers they're posting, I'm sure they don't want any themselves.
I got cha! Makes more sense now.

I still ain't finished Dark Souls: PTD (PC) either...
This game...I just suck at it.
{Shrug}
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, April 06, 2013, 12:06:07 PM
I got cha! Makes more sense now.

I still ain't finished Dark Souls: PTD (PC) either...
This game...I just suck at it.
{Shrug}

You are not alone. I'm trying it, getting further than I did with the PS3 version, although that was just a loathsome experience.

I'm trying to give it a fair chance but I just keep finding reasons to despise it.. Like no pause button, whcih I'm trying to counter by convincing myself it's an MMO.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Saturday, April 06, 2013, 01:14:51 PM
No pausing isn't so bad. Most enemies dont roam and if they do you have to be in their "zone" before they will start. So you can backtrack a little bit and just stand there and nothing will bother you.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, April 06, 2013, 01:30:45 PM
No pausing isn't so bad. Most enemies dont roam and if they do you have to be in their "zone" before they will start. So you can backtrack a little bit and just stand there and nothing will bother you.
Yeah, that's what I'm resorting to. The problem is there's always stuff going on around the house and when I start combat I am quite often interrupted by something or someone, being able to pause at a moment's notice is a welcome luxury.

Gotta admit, Dragon's Dogma is still trumping this. Both games can be repetitious and unforgiving, there's just something nicer about Dragon's Dogma.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, April 06, 2013, 05:00:45 PM
Gotta admit, Dragon's Dogma is still trumping this. Both games can be repetitious and unforgiving, there's just something nicer about Dragon's Dogma.
At least Dark Souls got a freaking PC port...
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, April 06, 2013, 10:31:20 PM
At least Dark Souls got a freaking PC port...
Yeah, that's true. I don't know why Capcom keep making weird porting decisions. They'll port DmC, Street Fighter, Street Fighter X Tekken, Lost Planet, Resident Evil, and even Bionic Commando but not Dragon's Dogma. Weird.

With Dark Souls, at least now that blotchy visuals and poor framerates are not in the way I am getting at the core of the gameplay relatively unhindered. Btw, what good does Reverse Hollowing do besides make me look human?
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Sunday, April 07, 2013, 02:20:44 AM
Btw, what good does Reverse Hollowing do besides make me look human?

When you are human you have more HP, you can kindle bonfires with Humanity to get more Estus Flasks, summon other players and NPCs into boss battles, and invade other players and be invaded yourself.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Xessive on Sunday, April 07, 2013, 05:48:28 AM
When you are human you have more HP, you can kindle bonfires with Humanity to get more Estus Flasks, summon other players and NPCs into boss battles, and invade other players and be invaded yourself.
Ah ok.. Not sure if I skipped that notification.. I thought it was just cosmetic. Also I have to kindle bonfires? I thought they were just always lit!
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, April 07, 2013, 06:44:37 AM
Kindling them increases the number of flasks they'll refill. You don't have to kindle all of them (and it would really be pointless to), but certain ones you realize you're going to be using all the time are well worth doing this, as it's a permanent effect that just costs 1 humanity (though two if you're dead, since you have to go human again first to do it). Everyone in the area online will also randomly receive a boost to their flasks when you do it, and sometimes you'll get a random boost when someone else kindles one of theirs. You can kindle them up to 3 times past their default state, so you can get a fire to refill 20 flasks max.

Humanity is a core element of the game. That's not a good thing to skip over.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Sunday, April 07, 2013, 06:54:17 AM
So that's why I'd have 11 or 12 flasks at random.

I was wondering what was up with that.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Xessive on Sunday, April 07, 2013, 12:58:58 PM
Yeah, I was confused why it would sometimes give me 10 flasks and sometimes 5.

I think my biggest gripe so far is that I don't understand the game! It doesn't explain anything about its mechanics other than how to use the equipment menu!I would think a crucial element such as Humanity would have warranted a thorough explanation! All the game tells me is this vague description "This black sprite is called humanity, but little is known about its true nature. If the soul is the source of all life, then what distinguishes the humanity we hold within ourselves?" Just a philosophical quandary. It says nothing about what it does or what its used for within the context of the game.

I think I'm struggling with Dark Souls because I crave structure. Without some form of direction I'm just inclined to sit around the campfire and do nothing. All I'm told is that I'm a newly risen undead, apparently, and I have to do something... No idea what... Am I supposed to escape? Defeat a great villain? Other than having been carried over by an awesome giant crow I really have no idea why I'm there or where I ought to be going.. I just move where I can when I can despite the odds being stacked heavily against me. I think I'll just keep killing the nearby undead then respawning them and killing them over and over until I'm stronger.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Sunday, April 07, 2013, 01:16:11 PM
Yeah, I was confused why it would sometimes give me 10 flasks and sometimes 5.

I think my biggest gripe so far is that I don't understand the game! It doesn't explain anything about its mechanics other than how to use the equipment menu!I would think a crucial element such as Humanity would have warranted a thorough explanation! All the game tells me is this vague description "This black sprite is called humanity, but little is known about its true nature. If the soul is the source of all life, then what distinguishes the humanity we hold within ourselves?" Just a philosophical quandary. It says nothing about what it does or what its used for within the context of the game.

I think I'm struggling with Dark Souls because I crave structure. Without some form of direction I'm just inclined to sit around the campfire and do nothing. All I'm told is that I'm a newly risen undead, apparently, and I have to do something... No idea what... Am I supposed to escape? Defeat a great villain? Other than having been carried over by an awesome giant crow I really have no idea why I'm there or where I ought to be going.. I just move where I can when I can despite the odds being stacked heavily against me. I think I'll just keep killing the nearby undead then respawning them and killing them over and over until I'm stronger.

Don't be afraid to use a wiki (http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/) if there is something you really don't understand about the basics or even where to go. I mainly used this wiki  (http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/)for equipment crafting, but it seems to have detailed walkthrough information if you are really lost.  You are wanting structure and something pointing you where to go, but you have to accept the fact that this game is not going to give much of that to you.  Just go in a direction you feel is right and you will either find the right way to go or you will get your ass handed to you by enemies that are way too strong for you to be facing or you may even hit a dead end.  When your repeated deaths or a dead end happens take a different route or level up some and take the path that was giving you difficulty before.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, April 07, 2013, 01:22:56 PM
Yeah, what you call structure I call the downfall of game design. Also maybe a sad study in what people do with freedom (which is immediately give it up for safety). I hate being told what to do and am sick and tired of every last facet of a game being detailed for me before I even get the chance to try it. This is the single biggest thing to have ruined games for me. Usually I know damned well what I'm expected to do, or I have a solid idea about how to accomplish something, and then I either have to sit in frustration waiting for the game to basically tell me how I should be playing it, or have to listen as it immediately confirms or denies my germinating thought without giving me the least chance to try it for myself, thereby removing all the joy from having the fucking thought in the first place.

I remember Pug making the same kinds of statements as you about Morrowind, but for different reasons. It all boils down to "I'm not being told where to go so how do I know where to go?" or "I'm not being told how to use something so how do I know how to use it?" I absolutely cannot understand this line of thought and have the potential to get really unkind when people use it, so... that's my two cents and I'll stop there.

This angle of design is probably the biggest reason that I love Dark Souls, because it's employed in nearly every facet of its design all the way down to the storytelling. It doesn't lay a big story at your feet, it gives bits and pieces of backstory that gradually reveal the history of the world to those willing to seek it out.

There's a reason the game isn't for everyone. It knows exactly what it intends to do and doesn't deviate from that philosophy.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: idolminds on Sunday, April 07, 2013, 02:07:25 PM
X, did you talk to the guy by the campfire? He should have mentioned something about the two bells you need to ring, which is your hint to go find and ring them. One is up above in the parish and the other is below in blighttown. Parish one you will get to pretty quickly, as thats the first "real" boss fight. Quickly being relative. First time getting through Undead Burg and into the Parish probably took a couple hours. Now I could probably get a new character through there in 20 minutes.

Dark Souls requires you to break out of what other games have trained you to do. You can not rush or you will aggro too many dudes and you will have a hell of a fight on your hands. Take it slow, deal with the enemies in front of you.

Don't just stick around Firelink and grind. Thats not going to help you make progress. Ignore the graveyard and go the other way up the cliff. Keep going that way and you'll end up in the Burg and be off on your way. You'll pick up several weapons and armors so you can play around with what playstyle you want. I remember watching Que play and when he switched from a sword to a spear it changed everything for him. Finding that first bonfire is such a great feeling and its those feelings you get that make DS so great. The feeling of finding safety in the hostile environment, of finally killing the enemy that has caused you so much trouble.

Stick with it and ring the first bell. By then you'll know for sure if you want to play the rest of the game or not. Not many games will give you the same feeling of triumph over your enemies as Dark Souls. We've all played our share of boss battles but nothing even compares to the feeling you get beating a Souls boss.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: Xessive on Sunday, April 07, 2013, 10:33:58 PM
Yeah, I need to break out of the habits that have been programmed into me by so many other games. I recall something about the two bells, one high up and one down low.

If I were to compare Dark Souls to Morrowind or any other game that gives you a sense of "do what you will" it's very easy to see the difference in the structure. In the Elder Scrolls games you're at least given a brief on how the world functions and you're left to your devices to figure out how you fit in it. Dark Souls is more like the movie Cube, I wake up in unfamiliar surroundings, have no idea why I'm there, and under constant threat of death (repeated deaths in this case). It's uncomfortable. I'm just having a very hard time deriving any kind of fun from this game.

In terms of narrative, I enjoy uncovering a story on my own. Bioshock did a decent job of letting you choose how much story you wanted, the Elder Scrolls games were all about you getting to the bottom of it by having discussions and finding journals and history books. Dragon's Dogma takes a similar approach as most open-world games where you resume the "story quest" to get more of it. In DS, other than the intro and the dude at the first campfire, and perhaps the architecture, nothing has really given any insight on the story. I'm just moving in the direction in which I am able to defeat things, other directions are certain death. I saw a dragon briefly smash part of the walkway I was on but then it just fucked off into the distance. I got more narrative pleasure out of Super Meat Boy, which can also be compared to DS for its punishing gameplay merits and fun factor!

At the time of my last post, I had already made it to the bonfire at Undead Burg. That's pretty much where I'm lodged for now, grinding away. I'll try to take your advice, Idol, and not linger too long.

Btw, thanks for the wiki link, Belmont, I'll have to start using it despite my natural stance on not resorting to walkthroughs or guides.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Thursday, April 11, 2013, 06:51:19 AM
I ventured to the Giant Smith and had him forge my first boss soul weapon of the game:  Quelaag's Fury Sword.  It's fast and does a good amount of fire damage.  The only thing that sucks is the reach.  I've gotten used to the long sword.

I suppose I really need to pick out an armor set and start upgrading it.  I guess?  seems like if you're getting hit a lot at this point you're sort of doomed anyway.
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Post by: K-man on Monday, April 15, 2013, 07:22:56 AM
My last few play sessions have kinda been without a specific goal in mind.  I tooled around in Anor Londo, got to the place where you can invade Laurtec and kill him.  I tried that a number of times yesterday and failed miserably.  Came back last night and got him on my first attempt.  Game's real funny like that.

Coming back down through Sens to go resurrect the fire keeper at Firelink, I accidentally fell to the bottom.  OH MAN, I totally forgot I left 3 titanite demons down here.  Got the first one down no problem, but the two that help each other out are sort of disastrous to take on.  I ended up sort of cheesing the first one by hitting him and then running around the corner until he reset.  But by the end I had enough to fully upgrade the Fury Sword.  It's pretty nice.

I tried the Asylum Demon again a few times.  No dice.

So firelink's back up and operational, I have a maxed out boss sword, and my one attempt at the anor londo boss ended about five seconds after I stepped into the door.
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Post by: K-man on Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 06:30:39 AM
OK, Anor Londo is outclassing me big time.  Currently I am not good enough with my parry/riposte to make short work of the silver knights.  It's getting a little frustrating.  I tried Smough and Ornstein probably ten times last night, and never even got close.  I tried summoning but no one took me up on it. 

This is much more frustrating than the Capra Demon.  At the very least I was able to almost kill him a few times.  I haven't even managed to get one of these guys down to half health.  You can't even concentrate on hitting one guy for more than a second or two, because the other one will pwn you for it.

So I'm back in darkroot farming souls to level up.  I think I went a little bit too endurance heavy on my build, so I'm going to farm a few points into vitality, maybe a few in dex.  I'm reluctant to put any points into any sort of "magic" school because I just don't use it.
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Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 11:23:47 AM
OK, Anor Londo is outclassing me big time.  Currently I am not good enough with my parry/riposte to make short work of the silver knights.  It's getting a little frustrating.  I tried Smough and Ornstein probably ten times last night, and never even got close.  I tried summoning but no one took me up on it. 

This is much more frustrating than the Capra Demon.  At the very least I was able to almost kill him a few times.  I haven't even managed to get one of these guys down to half health.  You can't even concentrate on hitting one guy for more than a second or two, because the other one will pwn you for it.

So I'm back in darkroot farming souls to level up.  I think I went a little bit too endurance heavy on my build, so I'm going to farm a few points into vitality, maybe a few in dex.  I'm reluctant to put any points into any sort of "magic" school because I just don't use it.

Don't feel too bad about the Ornstein and Smough fight.  It is one of the hardest boss fights in the game.  The fact that you are endurance heavy is going to help you though, because you are going to be rolling and dodging A LOT.
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Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 01:07:14 PM
It's so funny how different the experiences have been. Places where I had a lot of trouble that you guys didn't, and the other way around. I feel like I generally prepared and read up on the game far less than you guys, and while I had a few tricky spots that were rough, like the Moonlight Butterfly, Discharge, and Quelaag, I generally seem to have found the game easier than you guys. I beat Ornstein and Smough on my first try and didn't generally have an inordinate amount of trouble with Anor Londo in general. Though the area definitely taught me some shit and put me through my paces, especially at a couple specific non-boss points.

It's interesting, though... I wish I could remember what my stats were and at what level I was when I did certain things, what gear I was using, etc. You guys really seem to have put more into that so I'd have expected you to do better. Though at the same time I did eventually settle on a build I wanted to use, and toward the end of the game solidified it pretty much, and that was also tailored to specific gear.
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Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 01:32:23 PM
Well I've done a few things with gear, but honestly not a lot. I went from Drake Sword to Astoras and...thats about it. Astoras is +3 but Im out of twinkling titanite so I cant upgrade it any more until I find where they drop. My elite knight armor bits are +3 but thats the only upgraded armor I have, everything else is stock.

Im about SL52 or something. 24dex, 20str, 20end. I think I should boost my endurance some more, though. I want to wear the stone armor without rolling like a cow.
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Post by: Pugnate on Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 11:56:37 PM
I remember Pug making the same kinds of statements as you about Morrowind, but for different reasons. It all boils down to "I'm not being told where to go so how do I know where to go?" or "I'm not being told how to use something so how do I know how to use it?" I absolutely cannot understand this line of thought and have the potential to get really unkind when people use it, so... that's my two cents and I'll stop there.

Maybe it was someone else Que? I liked the open design of Morrowind. In fact, that's why I got Xessive to play it and I think he got hooked on the game because I was pushing it. Maybe I remember it wrong? It was a long time ago.

What I really did bitch about was Morrowind's bugs and how bad it ran on my system. I think all of you had Nvidia cards and I had an ATi and the game just had a problem with my specific video card. Xessive would come over and notice how crap the game ran.
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Post by: Quemaqua on Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 12:24:42 AM
Ugh, yeah, the game was not a technical masterwork. Bethsoft has really improved in that arena as they've gone, but Morrowind, while not the dark ages of Daggerfall, was still pretty fucking bad at times. And definitely not happy with ATI cards.

I don't know, maybe I'm misremembering. I could have sworn it was you and that you said it about Morrowind, but I fully acknowledge I could be wrong. My memory is crap. I've known a lot of people who've said the same about it, either way. It just personally gets my goat because I love freedom and I hate (as detailed earlier here) having the joy of discovery and thought removed from me just because someone else who might play a game would prefer not to be required to think.
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Post by: K-man on Sunday, April 21, 2013, 11:56:18 AM
I came home Friday evening after dad's surgery in need of release after about 8 hours of pent-up anxiety.  So on the way home from the hospital I grabbed a sixer and, despite the presence of company, put in Dark Souls.  My sister-in-law's fiance is a gamer, so I was showing him the ins and outs of the game while farming Darkroot.  Anyhow, He wanted to see some real action so I went to Anor Londo.  Figured what the hell, he can watch me get my ass kicked by Smough and Ornstein again.  I fared extremely poorly the first time, but decided the second I'd finally try to summon someone.  It made all the difference.  He kept one occupied while I did my thing with the other.  I was one hit away from killing super Ornstein and I died.  BUT, during the "you are dead" screen the summoner struck the final blow.  Thankfully I got credit for the kill.  There were no drops, but I was able to come collect my souls. 

I've leveled Dex quite a bit, and it's made a lot of difference in the quality of my build.  I figure I'm going to eventually put my final 2 points into endurance, concentrate on dex, with a sprinkling of vit going forward.

Oh, and Idol, you were mistaken about the lordvessel.  you can warp using it the minute you access it.  And it is glorious.
Title: Re: K-man and Idol tackle Dark Souls together (SPOILERS GALORE!)
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 06:42:21 AM
So apparently Ornstein drops a ring if you kill him last.  I guess since I died before he did not drop it.  I was able to get his soul, however.

The ring doesn't really look that useful for my style of play, so whatever.
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Post by: K-man on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 05:25:57 AM
I had a fairly productive play session last night.  I wasn't sure where to go, so I decided to run around Darkroot again since I had leveled substantially since the last time.  I managed to kill all the big cats and make my way to Sif.  Sif was a breeze this time.  I merely stayed under his feet, hacking away until he died.  Seems to be a pretty sound strategy.

I was also able to level 3 more times.  I think I want to grind my way up to 40 dex and 40 end, then pump the rest of my points into vit.  I've got 9 points in dex to go and 2 in end.  My SL is like 75 or something.  I wanted to focus on some magic school, but I never use it.
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Post by: K-man on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 07:01:05 AM
Also, Que, I remember when you were playing this game and it's all you could talk about.  I was like "damn, can't he chill out about this fucking game?"

Now I know...Now I know.

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Post by: PyroMenace on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 07:15:03 AM
That's how I feel with all of you now. >:(
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Post by: K-man on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 07:46:30 AM
Well then install and play it!

Resistance is futile!
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Post by: PyroMenace on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:29:54 AM
Maybe I'll play during the meet so Idol and Que watch all the dumb shit I do. Maybe we can live stream it.
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Post by: Quemaqua on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 12:26:26 PM
Yeah, it's not a game you can play casually, I don't think. You either get in and stay in, or you don't get in at all.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 06:57:52 AM
The past few days have seen me finally tackle the other asylum demon and the duke's archives.  I found a great farming spot in the painted world of Ariamis, so I got my soul level to 90, pegging endurance and dex at 40.  Quelaag's fury sword +5 is a freaking beast now!

I want to +15 my balder side sword since it scales with dex well.  But it'll be hard to put the fury sword down.

Funny story that I've told on IRC like 8 times now.  I went human in the Demon Ruins the other night to kindle a fire.  Afterwards I beat the lone capra demon and went exploring along the narrow path leading down to the area near the boss.  BOOM, got invaded.  He spawned down the path from me, and I could see by his gear I was no match.  I went running back up the path, finding a spot along it that had crumbled and fallen out.  I positioned myself right behind the pit and raised my shield.  He completely took the bait, falling to his death.  I instantly get a PSN message from him titled "LOL!".  best moment.  I wish i could have somehow captured it.
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Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 11:29:34 AM
Hahaha that invasion story is great!  I remember shield bashing an invader off of a cliff in the forest because he wasn't paying attention to me pushing him towards it and he kept backing up trying to avoid my spear thrusts.  I got a hate PM for that one but it was still hilarious.
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Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 05:01:12 PM
Man, I had some really great invasion stories too. Almost all of them ended with me dying, but still.
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Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 05:06:31 PM
I'm missing out on being killed by others. It makes me sad. Sorta.
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Post by: K-man on Wednesday, May 01, 2013, 05:22:13 AM
Playing the PS3 copy online right now is a waste of time.  In the past few days this glitch has happened where anything that glows (bonfires, torches, items, souls, stains, spells, lightning attacks, etc etc) flicker in and out right now.  That makes it pretty well impossible to find items in new areas, dodge magic/elemental, etc etc.

I hope it's patched ASAP.  I don't want to get this far and then not finish.

I found a video of what I'm experiencing:

Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Wednesday, May 01, 2013, 05:25:02 AM
How bizarre. I'm sure they'll patch it, but yeah, one would certainly hope they don't drag their heels on that.
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Post by: K-man on Wednesday, May 01, 2013, 06:33:47 AM
Considering past history, I'd say dragging their heels is a given.

It sucks too.  You know what glows in Dark Souls?  ALL THE IMPORTANT STUFF!

You can see in that video I added how distracting it is.
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Post by: K-man on Friday, May 10, 2013, 05:20:20 AM
So they did server maintenance on the 8th, which people were hoping would resolve the glitch.

It didn't.  Starting to get a little frustrated.  I'm going to be forced to finish the game in offline mode.  I really enjoy the features playing online offers.
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Post by: MysterD on Sunday, June 02, 2013, 06:40:16 AM
Since Borderlands 2 is done, been back to playing this.

So, I just defeated this morning in a boss fight two big monsters....
(click to show/hide)
:D

EDIT -> 6/7/2013:
Quelaag
(click to show/hide)

EDIT -> 6/8/2013:
Demon Ruins
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Thursday, June 27, 2013, 11:24:27 AM
The PS3 patch fiasco coupled with my dad's illness and death prevented me from playing this in any real capacity for the past few months, but I"m ready to get back into it and see it through.

Despite the fact that I've still got some image retention in my plasma from the previous play.
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Post by: gpw11 on Monday, August 05, 2013, 10:35:22 PM
I'm fully into this now. Like, I can't stop.  I did initially have a bit of a hard time getting into it, but damn...it's pretty amazing.   

I guess I'll be posting in this thread as well...
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Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Monday, August 05, 2013, 11:33:26 PM
I'm fully into this now. Like, I can't stop.  I did initially have a bit of a hard time getting into it, but damn...it's pretty amazing.   

I guess I'll be posting in this thread as well...

TELL STORIES OF YOUR PLAYING FOR MY AMUSEMENT!  Glad to hear you are enjoying it.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, August 06, 2013, 08:07:36 AM
I will do!  It doesn't seem like Spoilers are necessary in this thread, so I'm not going to use them.  I'm hella early anyways.   

I don't have any super amusing stories so far. I'm playing as a warrior/knight (does this matter?) and have been enjoying it pretty well once I've gotten the hang of it (although I can't parry/riposte for the life of me.

I died extremely often early on, but managed to follow the lead of the online tips/hints/whatever you call them and a hillariously helpful blood stain (some guy shooting arrows off in to the distance, getting attacked and falling off a ledge) to figure out that shooting the dragon's tale on the bridge gets you the awesome Drake sword/Soul Calibur (come on, it looks EXACTLY the same).  I kept on running through the area with the tail (over and over again...you know, because dying) and kept on getting messages to attack the tail but nothing would happen (same animation over and over again without anything).  Finally I got a blood stain in the area and checked it out in order to see someone attacking the tail twice before getting attacked by that skeleton up there (I presume) or simply dropping off the edge.  So, while on the phone and not really thinking I started just shooting arrows at the tail repeatedly. BAM! DRAKE SWORD!  Which is pretty cool and totally bad-ass but could really benefit from having that stabbing plunge attack.

The acquisition of the Drake sword (and arrows/bolts) were a bit of a game changer for me.   In the next section I cleared out the enemies in the upper portion and just picked off the bore with arrows. EASY! I was having a hell of a time with spearmen, but learned that switching to double handed stance worked wonders.

I have been pretty steadily progressing since.  The twin Gargoyle boss was pretty funny because it was my second time summoning someone (I seem to run around hollow the majority of the time) and they literally went in threw some lighting bolts at the boss and killed both of them before I even swung once. Kind of a buzz kill, but sure. Rung the first bell, went through Darkroot Garden, found out that killing those armored giants was pretty easy (one at a time), and blitzed in to pilfer a corpse for some sweet ass Elite Knight Armour...which is cool but heavy and seems like it slows my roll down (is this a thing?)

I then ran into the Moonlight Butterfly which seemed like it was going to be tranquil and fun but ended up being THE WORST. Arrows did little, bolts even less, throwing knives? HA.  Oh, wait...firebombs are pretty badass. I was left with the option of getting really good at dodging and just getting my attacks in while the boss was at rest or killing it with firebombs...so I ran all the way back to the Undead Merchant and bought a ton of firebombs.  VICTORY.

And that's pretty much where I am.   That route ended up being a dead end and I don't want to farm souls in order to buy the seal to unlock that glowing door in the forest, so I think I'll investigate the Darkroot Basin path I just found. Still using the Drake Sword but I just tried out a halberd and it seemed fun.  Hope to find a more powerful one so I can switch. 

The online system is great.  I haven't been invaded, but summoning ended up being helpful and the messages are awesome.  Blood stains not AS useful, but still good. I never would have found the bonfire in Darkroot Gardens if I didn't see a message about the fake wall.  Actually, I didn't know that fake walls were a thing in the game so now I'm wondering how much I missed, because there were like two more in the next area.

I just realized that there's way more to FireLink Shrine than I previously thought, so that seems cool and I now have another totally new area on my list to explore (Also, that graveyard...which is terrifying).

And, finally being powerful enough, I revisited the two black knights I had found while backtracking to buy the firebombs. The first (in the Undead Burg) was super easy all of a sudden and was guarding a ring.  Sweet!

The second (atop the tower just before the boar) was definitely more difficult and almost took me down save for a last minute roll and backstab that I managed to fluke into. To be fair, I should have been able to kill him anyways, I just dropped the ball and over exerted myself, leaving my defenses open at the start.  The shitty thing is that this one wasn't guarding anything at all.  Lame.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, August 06, 2013, 09:58:49 AM
You may not want to bother with it right now, but that glowing door will be worth your time to unlock sooner than later.  It's a fairly excellent early-game soul farming point.
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Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, August 06, 2013, 12:53:55 PM
I welcome all sorts of tips like this. 
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Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, August 06, 2013, 01:45:38 PM
Yay, more people playing Dark Souls. Except boo, more people playing Dark Souls makes me want to play it again. I love you, Dark Souls. I can't wait until I'm independently wealthy and can actually afford to fuck around playing video games all day.

Speaking of... is the sequel supposed to be PS3 or PS4?
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Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, August 06, 2013, 01:57:31 PM
I believe PS3, 360, and PC.   And all I'm doing at work is planning how to go about progressing.  I've been putting all my upgrade points into Str, Dex, and End (with a bit of Vit), but maybe I should branch out a bit?   I think I may want to get into some spells at some point?
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, August 06, 2013, 02:14:23 PM
I'm level 90 something and only threw enough points into something to get a spell.  the rest is endurance, str, dex, and vit. 

Also another tip if your TV is plasma, make sure to give it breaks.  I learned the hard way.

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Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, August 06, 2013, 02:45:23 PM
Playing the PC version, so not a problem. I guess it's the HUD items?  Weird.



And good to know about the stats.  If I bump up endurance high enough will I get faster with heavier armour, or is that not how it works?
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Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Tuesday, August 06, 2013, 03:05:35 PM
If I bump up endurance high enough will I get faster with heavier armour, or is that not how it works?

That is how it works.  More endurance makes your roll and run speeds faster with heavier armor.
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Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, August 06, 2013, 03:07:36 PM
AAAAAAAND it looks like all my points are going into endurance.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, August 07, 2013, 12:20:48 AM
You may not want to bother with it right now, but that glowing door will be worth your time to unlock sooner than later.  It's a fairly excellent early-game soul farming point.

By soul-farming, you mean dying, right? I ran in there, started fighting some dude and just got my ass kicked.  Ran back in, could see some treasure in the distance, ran for it, turned out to just be one of those light flowers.  I was now being chased (I'm bone dry on souls and humanity at this point, so dying isn't the biggest deal but whatever), by what sounded like 10 dudes and just kept running around until I found a chest.  Opened it and found some "stone armour". Sweet?

Was killed as soon as I stopped to grab the armour but tried it on, seems pretty good, but heavy.  I kind of wanted to play a lighter character but all the armors I'm finding are heavy as hell.   In either case, ran back through those doors and followed some messages that made me think I should lure dudes to a certain spot by the stairs.  I tried it and it seemed like they'd bug out when running out of the forest and go up the stairs only to fall over me and die.  Well, some of them would.  The others not so much and they'd just murder me.  Maybe I'm doing it wrong or I misread the clues and I'm on the wrong track completely but I think I may be too low level to farm here.
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Post by: K-man on Wednesday, August 07, 2013, 06:22:11 AM
That's precisely how you farm that area.  Lure them in, stand by the side of the stairs.  and they will fall to their deaths (most of the time).

to make things a little easier, there is a bonfire behind a false wall near the glowing door entrance.
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Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, August 07, 2013, 11:16:32 AM
Yeah, I actually found that bonfire first time to the area thanks to a handy message.  I'll try to farm the area better, at least to gain a few points.  I was actually fucking stressed running through there trying to lure mofos though.

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Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, August 07, 2013, 05:45:04 PM
Did a bit more farming in that area.  Yeah, it works well.  I also ventured into Darkroot Basin, killed some crystal guys, ran away from something launching what could only be described as water missles from one section of the map and opened a locked door only to find that mother fucking enemy that has been kicking my ass at the bottom of the Undead Burg tower this whole time.  Well, at least I know what's on both sides of him.

On my way back down I took the other route and fought a hard battle against a Black Knight who dropped a Black Knight Halberd...which looks amazing but requires me to upgrade my strength by like 20 fucking points.

Decisions....
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Thursday, August 08, 2013, 08:27:46 AM
I played a much lighter character and geared up to allow myself to cartwheel all over the place. Never did get far into my second playthrough so he's far from maxed out, but I really enjoyed the build I used. There are a lot of unique items you can use in conjunction with one another for strange and useful effects in the game, and most builds are going to be very heavily dependent upon what gear you've chosen to use. Mine was geared toward getting just enough encumbrance reduction to stay super fast but still pack a punch with one of the game's big weapons.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Thursday, August 08, 2013, 09:13:05 AM
Yeah I like light gear as well.  I'd rather dodge than take punishment.
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Post by: gpw11 on Thursday, August 08, 2013, 05:18:23 PM
I guess it's always an option to just keep running around as a tank until I find some better light gear.  It's not like I'm allocating points to focus on heavy stuff or anything.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Friday, August 09, 2013, 08:18:53 AM
It's really however you want to spec your guy.  I mean light/medium armor is by no means a requirement.  some people make very very successful tank toons.  but I prefer dodging for my style of play.  I find it more fun.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Friday, August 09, 2013, 09:05:42 AM
Also you can eventually find a ring that greatly enhances your equip load, so heavy armor won't slow you down as much.

I actually kinda want to try a real tanking character, just stand there with a massive shield and block shit.
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Post by: gpw11 on Friday, August 09, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Yeah, I think I'm not going to plan too far ahead and just see where what I find naturally takes me.  So, I guess for right now that means Stone Armor.  I'd love to use this sweet Dark Knight Halbred, but I don't think I can grind for 20 strength points, even at that sweet spot by the stairs.....OR CAN I?!
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: gpw11 on Saturday, August 10, 2013, 01:25:32 AM
I can.  I stood there and farmed souls until I had enough to wield that weapon.  In doing so I got cocky and started running in the other direction in that area until I tracked down a light and got some Eastern Armor (running to treasure and grabbing it right before you are brutally killed seems to be a very viable strategy in this game). I farmed some more, upgraded my armor and returned to Darkroot Basin...where I slaughtered EVERYTHING.

I then traveled to the Ruins under Firelink Shrine and got Ghost Raped, which was the worst thing ever. I figured I"m not meant to go to that area so I went back to Firelink and had to look up that I missed a door in the Berg that lead to the slums.....where I again murdered everything. The boss went down easy as well.


That said, I fear I may have to stop playing.  The frame rate is shit for some reason (like 15fps in a lot of areas) and It's actually starting to really bug me.  As much as I'd love to keep going it's driving me crazy. Well, that and it's summer.

I may put it down and come back later or just jump into Dark Souls 2 with better hardware...who knows?
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, August 10, 2013, 04:22:21 AM
@GPW11

This is how I solved the 15 FPS problem in areas w/ lots of special effects & in some Boss Fights on Dark Souls: PTD - turn SSAO off in DSFix.INI's settings completely.
DSFix's SSAO is a framerate killer in this game..

This is the line(s) I'm talking about:
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# Enable and set the strength of the SSAO effect (all 3 settings have the same performance impact!)
# 0 = off
# 1 = low
# 2 = medium
# 3 = high
ssaoStrength 0

EDIT:
About dealing w/ the ghosts in New Londo Ruins....
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Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Saturday, August 10, 2013, 07:48:33 AM
You seem to be having an easier time with the game than I am gpw. Though I've only put in 2 big play sessions so far in like a week and a half. I'm playing as a thief right now and I'm up to the bell gargoyles which feel like they are impossible to kill it seems. But after doing some wiki reading on the game I'm finding that my issues are that I'm playing a thief which I'm not playing very well at and some other stuff I didn't know about like the humanity system. So I decided I'm going to restart as a bandit which feels right up my alley (it's pretty much how I'm playing the thief), 100% defense from the shield sounds so good to me. Plus since I've practically memorized the first areas that I'm up to, I should be able to regain where I was at pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, August 10, 2013, 09:59:13 AM
You seem to be having an easier time with the game than I am gpw. Though I've only put in 2 big play sessions so far in like a week and a half. I'm playing as a thief right now and I'm up to the bell gargoyles which feel like they are impossible to kill it seems. But after doing some wiki reading on the game I'm finding that my issues are that I'm playing a thief which I'm not playing very well at and some other stuff I didn't know about like the humanity system. So I decided I'm going to restart as a bandit which feels right up my alley (it's pretty much how I'm playing the thief), 100% defense from the shield sounds so good to me. Plus since I've practically memorized the first areas that I'm up to, I should be able to regain where I was at pretty quickly.

About battling the Bell Gargoyles...
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Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: gpw11 on Saturday, August 10, 2013, 11:29:55 AM
You seem to be having an easier time with the game than I am gpw. Though I've only put in 2 big play sessions so far in like a week and a half. I'm playing as a thief right now and I'm up to the bell gargoyles which feel like they are impossible to kill it seems. But after doing some wiki reading on the game I'm finding that my issues are that I'm playing a thief which I'm not playing very well at and some other stuff I didn't know about like the humanity system. So I decided I'm going to restart as a bandit which feels right up my alley (it's pretty much how I'm playing the thief), 100% defense from the shield sounds so good to me. Plus since I've practically memorized the first areas that I'm up to, I should be able to regain where I was at pretty quickly.

If anything I think I've just put more time in.  The area from the beginning of the game up to the Bell Gargoyles was by far the hardest section for me so far.  Now the world seems to have opened up enough to the point where if I get my ass kicked entirely I figure I'm supposed to come back later.

Oh, but fuck Curse status.  Seriously.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Sunday, August 11, 2013, 07:42:37 PM
Yea so my second play through has been going so much fucking better. I was able to get up to the bell gargoyles in half the time I was playing with the thief. I also got the drake sword. With that and summoning solaire for the bell gargoyle boss I complete destroyed them with barely any effort. Then made my way to depths, discovered how much curses suck as gpw noted, made my way to the next area boss, the gapped dragon, it was a little challenged but I managed to take him down on my first attempt. What saved me a handful of times was this blue tearstone ring, which basically boosts your defenses by 50% when your health gets low which had kept me from dying many times. Now I have the key to blight town which I'm reading many bad things about, wish me luck.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? K-man and Idol play Dark Souls (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Monday, August 12, 2013, 06:52:06 AM
Blighttown isn't as terrible as I thought it was going to be given its reputation.  The two main things are:  1) Prepare for lag, and 2) bring as much poison cure as you can.

Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, August 14, 2013, 08:42:53 AM
My Dark Souls bros will appreciate this:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me28xrk3Nk1qc1xs3o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 12:37:27 AM
Hahaha that is great!  I love how that pose that Solaire is doing is an actual in game pose.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 09:41:43 AM
Hahaha... that's brilliant. Good luck, Pyro. Blighttown is fun times.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Sunday, August 18, 2013, 06:09:11 AM
I got a few spare minutes yesterday so I decided to jump back into Dark Souls.  Went back down into New Londo Ruins to try and find the boss.  I'm obviously out of practice because I kept dying to darkwraith knights.

then I find a fog door with no apparent exit except to die. Then I find later I was supposed to put on the ring I got from killing Sif.

Stellar play session
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Sunday, August 18, 2013, 07:15:44 AM
And this morning I follow that terrible showing by kicking four kings ass on my first try.

I'M BACK
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Cools! on Sunday, August 18, 2013, 11:06:21 AM
Haha
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Sunday, August 18, 2013, 08:25:27 PM
Got in a good play session this weekend. Got through Blightown, I will admit it was a bit frustrating at first, those fat guys are the worst, however the biggest issue was just navigating through it and dealing with the camera. I've had deaths attributed to just not being able to fucking see anything because some geometry in the environment was in the way, oh and those fucking fire hounds, fuck those guys. I found a wanderers set of armor which had the best poison resist that I could find which worked pretty well when I got to the bottom. Quelaag was a bitch, but is beatable if you are just patient and smart when moving around her, but it still took a quite a bit of deaths before getting her. After that I starting farming humanity and titanite shards to reinforce my armor a bit.

Today I went back to the asylum and cleared that area out, that was more of a task than I thought. Fighting knights in really tight corridors is a bitch and that stray demon was awful. But again, it came down to repetition and patience. So yea, I'm moving along.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Monday, August 19, 2013, 06:50:31 AM
Hell yeah.  You'll inevitably go back to Blighttown for a few things (I'm 99% sure you've missed some items, and there's a vendor that will appear there later if you do the right things).  I struggled with the Asylum as well.  I didn't actually kill the Demon until way farther into my playthrough.

So I've been thinking that reading up on this game actually is somewhat of a detriment sometimes.  I just went into that four kings fight willy nilly and basically owned it.  Then I read afterward that if you don't kill them quickly they'll pile up, they can two hit you, etc etc.  I never had those problems.  I just went in two handed and owned them.  If I had read up beforehand I would have been trying to anticipate all these things and probably wouldn't have fared nearly as well.

I guess what I'm saying is, PRAISE THE SUN!
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Monday, August 19, 2013, 04:20:23 PM
Jesus Christ, you're lucky. Those fuckers are so so so goddamn annoying. I'm not sure how many times I died, but it was plenty. Asylum I didn't have much issue with, though... my super speed came in handy.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, August 21, 2013, 07:06:05 AM
I praised last night in probably the longest play session since dad got sick.  I messed around in the Tomb of Giants for a while, but decided that the skull lantern was not cutting it as a light source.  So I went to the demon ruins to grab the sunlight maggot.  Or at least i thought it was in the demon ruins.  Fortunately I was able to beat both the Flame demon and the centipede demon without too much trouble. 

Now I'm in Lost Izalith.  Holy crap.  This has to be near the end of the game.  I can't see it getting much more ridiculous.  If i hadn't lucked out and cut the tail off the centipede demon, I wouldn't have had a ring to minimize lava damage.  Then I would have died quickly.  The game doesn't tell you any of this.  I LOVE IT.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Wednesday, August 21, 2013, 08:50:47 AM
That's the best part! I highly recommend the first play-through to be completely blind, no guides or anything. You'll realize how lucky you got sometimes, and also succumb to some fantastic deaths and frustrations that make you smile later on when you figure out how you should tackle it.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, August 21, 2013, 08:53:11 AM
Course I think "man i'm near the end" only to realize that I haven't even touched the expansion content yet.  Hell, I don't even know how to access it.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Wednesday, August 21, 2013, 09:05:14 AM
I still haven't touched that stuff myself. I'd love to get back to this and play through again on the PC. I never got the expansion stuff for PS3.
Title: Re: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, August 21, 2013, 06:05:45 PM
EDIT - Uh... whoops. Love, Que
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Wednesday, August 21, 2013, 08:09:12 PM
Sorry dude, I don't know why, sometimes I click the edit button on the last post instead of reply. I was trying to quote you thus didn't connect that I'd edited rather than replied until it was too late. Apologies.

And as per the original post:

Quote
and i was trying to get good at golf.

I don't even know how to respond to this.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, August 21, 2013, 09:13:21 PM
Ahahhaha.


A.) I hate you
B.) Golf is like real life Dark Souls. 


Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Wednesday, August 21, 2013, 09:21:21 PM
I would play Golf Souls.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 05:09:27 AM
I played last night.  Finally got the sunlight maggot, but I'm afraid I have done something wrong and I am going to have to kill Solaire.  Spent some time in Tomb of the Giants getting my ass whipped.  Decided to backtrack to the Darkroot Basin and fight the hydra.  Um...not sure why I put him off so long.  It's pretty simple.

Anyway behind the hydra is where you access the DLC, but you have to go to the Duke's Archives and defeat a specific golem to get a broken pendant for the pathway to open.  I entered the DLC realm, lit the bonfire, and had my ass handed to me 10 seconds later by the boss.  WELCOME TO THE DLC!
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 01:31:24 PM
Nice! Also, don't think you did anything wrong, that's just how it goes with the maggot.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 02:10:21 PM
There's a way to save him, but it involves offering humanity up to the spider lady covenant to open a specific door so you can go in the back way.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Saturday, August 24, 2013, 02:08:12 PM
Huh, I did not know that. And that was my covenant. I forget what I did and didn't do, though, it's been so long.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Saturday, August 24, 2013, 08:50:12 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/C5t46Sd.jpg)
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Saturday, August 24, 2013, 08:54:45 PM
Wow, that's really good.  Where did you find that?
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Saturday, August 24, 2013, 09:19:56 PM
Scary linked it in IRC, and I also saw it posted on reddit.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, August 25, 2013, 04:09:59 PM
Super cool. I'd play 2D isometric Dark Souls.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 07:30:13 AM
Made my way into Sen's Fortress last night, definitely the most difficult I've experienced so far, I was raging on IRC about it, many bad words were said. I was actually doing fairly decent for a little while till I explored a little in the beginning area. Was trying to clear out all the titanite dudes at the bottom of the pendulum room. I got most of them but 2 which I must have spent an hour on, eventually I gave up and just moved along. The serpent guys seemed rough at first but once you learn when to block or even parry they aren't so bad. Also found a mimic chest... yup definitely hitting every chest I come across now. I found various items: defense ring, loot ring, sniper crossbow (useful?), lightening spear. I'm still using that drake sword, I need to put into some time upgrading a weapon that may end up being better than the drake sword. Anyway I got to the iron golem, he's gonna take some time to take down but I pretty much know how to beat him.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 08:35:28 AM
quelaag's fury sword.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 10:56:53 AM
And Iron Golem down, Anor Londo here I come. Explored a little more of Sen's, found a stealth ring, basically makes me silent. There's also an undead dragon I want to take out in Drake Valley before I head forward to Anor.
Title: Re: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: gpw11 on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
I tried to get back into this a couple days ago.  Basicallu got cursed and lost all mu souls right away.  Resuming break...
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Friday, August 30, 2013, 05:14:14 AM
Got to learn to embrace the death.  Souls are unlimited in the game.  It's a temporary setback.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Xessive on Friday, August 30, 2013, 04:40:45 PM
I just got a $5 discount for Dark Souls 2 pre-order on Amazon for the Steam version. Basically it just waives the tax, making the total $59.87 instead of the total $64.74 it would have been.

So yeah.. I'm not paying $60 for Dark Souls 2.

If anyone's interested let me know, I'll grab it for you and you can pay me back in a Steam game(s) of equal value later.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Friday, September 06, 2013, 11:07:21 AM
And Ornstein and Smough are down... first try. Took some time but basically just took laps around the room and waited for hit opportunities, usually when Ornstein would charge at me as Smough was at a distance, I could get a couple hits in since his attacks are easy to dodge. Once he was down, I was super careful with Smough, kept one of the broken columns in the room between me and him and took my shots after his large swings. Still wasn't easy, used up all my flasks and several humanities, I will also say I had the help of Quelaag's Fury sword which Kman mentioned. Thank god for the dark souls wiki to figure out how the weapon crafting and upgrading works, I would have never figured shit out without it. Anor Londo itself is a pretty cool looking place, but not easy, I think getting to the second bonfire was the most difficult, fucking knights and their dragonslayer arrows. The knights themselves are a handful, that is until you learn how to parry their attacks, then they're gravy. Anyway, it's time to recoop the humanities I lost and move on to the next area which is... I don't actually know.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Friday, September 06, 2013, 11:30:48 AM
At this point you're actually free to visit a number of places. 
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Saturday, September 07, 2013, 08:48:40 AM
I am now balls-deep into the DLC.  The bosses I've fought so far have been terribly difficult.  I was stuck on Knight Artorias for a few days, but managed to get him this morning.  The problem was that Quelaag's Fury Sword was doing little damage because he has such high elemental resistances.  I switched to my balder side sword +13 and the fight suddenly became manageable.  Took another 5-6 tries to get him down, but the last time I got him convincingly.

Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Sunday, September 08, 2013, 06:18:31 AM
Hm, so the DLC wasn't as long as I thought.  Apparently I am already at the final boss.  I'd say by the time I'm done I'll have 7-8 hours invested into it.  I"ve got a dragon yet to kill and the final boss....who is a doozy.

No-brainer to purchase though if you're playing on a console.  a few real nice items, fun bosses, and a decent side story as far as this game goes.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Sunday, September 08, 2013, 04:20:57 PM
Did some praisin' today after a long break. First order of business was to kill the Iron Golem in Sens. I still got my skills apparently because I got him down on my first try. I just got up under his feet and did my best to stay behind him. 2-handed my sword because blocking him wasn't going to do shit. He was able to grab and slam me to the ground a few times but a quick flask and I was still good. About halfway through the fight he got wobbly and a few more hits he fell over, but we were on that narrow bridge part and he fell sideways so down he went. Quick end to the fight.

And now some friendly gargoyles have taken me to Anor Londo. First thing you find is a big-ass knight that seems to ignore you. Well, he ignores you until you get right up to him to see if you can talk. He doesn't talk, only spears. Managed to kill him and then I ignored the rest until I found the bonfire.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 06:48:50 AM
Do you guys use lock-on at all?  I have spent most of the game not using it, but have tried it on a few occasions.  I find that in a lot of situations it actually impedes my ability to dodge.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:15:46 AM
I use it quite a lot, actually.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: sirean_syan on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 09:25:43 AM
I use it constantly, but I'm also partial to the spear and halberd which have very narrow hit spaces. Not locking on is generally a path to leaving myself open.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:03:04 AM
I have no idea how you would play without using lock-on. I know in some situations its good whey trying to hit multiple enemies at once, but its been so terribly useful to me.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 02:38:37 PM
Yeah, I used it constantly.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 06:07:18 PM
Awesome.  It just makes my victories that much more impressive.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 08:31:20 PM
I locked on to Manus tonight...about 20 times.

I'm actually still in disbelief that I've actually beaten him.  He is a son of a bitch.
Title: Re: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 11:07:03 AM
I guess we're in the same boat: I maybe lock on 10-20 percent of the time. Mayne I should try it more.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 12:03:30 PM
I went back last night and attempted to fight the dragon in the DLC.  Got him down to about half health my first attempt.  Did worse on subsequent attempts.  Figured I'd call it a night.

I initially went the DLC route because I really wasn't sure where I wanted to go in the regular game.  I think perhaps I'll give ash lake a shot down in blighttown.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 08:06:43 PM
Who took out three bosses tonight?  Yeah, that's right.  This guy.

Black Dragon Kalameet
Helkite Dragon
Gravelord Nito

I think this leaves just one more boss before the final one =/
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 09:11:01 PM
Anor Londo. Fuck those fucking archer fucks.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: iPPi on Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 09:48:57 PM
I bought a controller so I finally started playing this game after buying it in the Steam summer sale.

Very challenging.  I don't think I have the finesse I had when I played Demon's Souls, nor the time and effort nowadays, so it's a little more frustrating, but I'm still learning and trying to get used to the game.  I killed the Taurus Demon a couple nights ago and right now am debating whether or not to take on the Hellkite Drake.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Thursday, September 12, 2013, 05:34:14 AM
Explored all through New Londo Ruins, basically got all the way to the boss room only to discover I can't even fight him yet. Like literally it's just a spiral stair that goes down to a pit of nothing, couldn't go back since boss rooms get blocked off so I had to just kill myself, there goes all those souls. Talked to kman to learn I needed to kill Sif in Darkroot Basin first so headed that way. Went beyond the sealed door, was able to kill almost everything just short of the Hydra, used up all my flasks, got a bunch of souls so I had to head back to the bonfire since I was too unprepared for Sif. Next time though...
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Thursday, September 12, 2013, 05:55:22 AM
So as my last post indicates, the silver archers were giving me trouble. Everything up to that point wasn't all that bad. Those guardian things you can hit with a couple poison arrows from a distance and just wait for them to die since it doesn't aggro them. The bell gargoyle rematch was sorta fun and I got my gargoyle tail axe since I didn't get it up at the bell tower. Those white cultist dudes weren't very hard when pulled one at a time. Those pink gargoyles aren't too bad except that lightning damage was coming through my shields.

Anyway, the archers. I had a plan: poison them. I got into a spot where I could hit them but their arrows would smash into either the tower or the "railing" where I was standing. Using my cheap wooden arrow I would aim and then switch to poison to do my dirty work. Archer on the left was no problem. Aim with wood until I cause damage so I know I can hit him, then switch and poisoned the bastard. Done. Dude on the right was harder, though for...gamey reasons. I couldn't seem to hit him, no indicator would come up. Was he blocking it somehow? Was I missing by just a little and it was sparking off the wall behind him? I would give up and try to rush him but it usually ended up killing me.

I tried one more time last night and it turns out...he was out of wooden arrow range. It seems that arrows don't just vary by how much damage they do but also their "effective range". So the projectile actually stops being capable of dealing damage after a certain distance even if it LOOKS like it's hitting the target. Which is what was fucking me up. So I got it to look like it was hitting the archer and then switched to poison and sure enough I was able to poison him since those arrows have a larger range. Sigh...video games...

So then I got to the bonfire, had a chat with Solaire, saw all the silver knights in the next area and just went to bed.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Thursday, September 12, 2013, 11:17:51 PM
Made my way through the silver knights...only to later find out I completely missed a chest with some upgrade materials. Sigh...I'll have to go back and get that at some point. Opened up the shortcut from the first bonfire so I'm really pleased with that. I came back and found the blacksmith, got myself the fury sword which I suppose I need to upgrade because it doesnt feel that powerful? I dunno, maybe Im not used to it. Looks cool, though. Also got the dragonslayer greatbow. I was like, fuck yeah! Now shits gonna die! Then I found out it needs dragonslayer arrows. And then I saw what those cost per arrow. Shits gonna die all right, but...selectively.

So I cleared that main hall which...easy peasy. Thank you, poison arrows. So its an easy run right to the boss. Before I did that though I invaded the asshole that killed the firelink shrine firekeeper and took him down. So with that all done and having spent all my souls on dragonslayer arrows...welp, might as well see what this boss is like.

I was dead about 30 seconds later.

Fuuuuck. I decided to head out of Anor for a bit, restock my arrow supply, relight the firelink bonfire, that sort of thing. Dragonslayer bow + Dragonslayer arrows = I should kill that red dragon. I'll probably go do that next and then cower in fear of the Anor Londo bosses.
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Friday, September 13, 2013, 05:24:52 AM
You can relight the firelink bonfire?!
Title: Re: Bro, do you even praise the sun? Everybody playin' Dark Souls! (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Friday, September 13, 2013, 06:53:23 AM
Yep.  And I highly recommend doing so.

I wrapped up Lost Izalith last night, which is probably the lamest boss fight of the game.  It tries to be "different", but it fell very flat with me.  I then ran over to the great hollow and ash lake.  Handed the hydra there its ass and collected a few items.  The realization hit that I had nowhere to go but the final boss...  The final area is pretty neat.  I attempted the boss a few times but failed miserably each time (seems to be a going trend).

Anyway, just a few days ago I thought I had so much left to do in this game.  Actually pretty sad that I'm near the end.  It's really cool that a bunch of us dove in at the same time, and I believe this has been one of the most successful threads we've had in a while.  I am hopeful that we can recreate the experience when Dark Souls 2 comes out.  Because I don't know about you guys, but I definitely got enough hours out of this to have no problems paying full price for the sequel.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Friday, September 13, 2013, 12:34:55 PM
I wish I could. I loved this game a lot... but that's just too much for me at this point. Unless I can find a way to swing it, I'll have to wait. And I may want to get it on PC, but my PC probably can't run it. I can't remember, is it supposed to be for PS3? I think I asked earlier and someone said it was.

But yeah, what a great game. And fucking fuck I hate that end boss. That dude is a son of a bitch. I did figure out a way to reliably fight him, but it was only semi-reliable in the end, really, and it took me a while to make the strategy stick. That was rough times. Let's just say I got really really good at making that run to the place where you fight him.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Friday, September 13, 2013, 01:17:18 PM
Yes DS2 will be on PS3. As far as I know they have only mentioned current gen consoles and PC.

EDIT: So I decided to step out of Anor Londo for a bit, restock my arrows, and do some other things. I went and killed the red dragon (Dragonslayer greatbow earned its name) and the hydra, so that felt good.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Saturday, September 14, 2013, 08:56:32 AM
Beat the game.  What a journey.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Saturday, September 14, 2013, 10:18:36 AM
You should just give up video games now, you're done.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Cools! on Saturday, September 14, 2013, 10:28:01 AM
Now install Starcraft 1/Brood War.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Sunday, September 15, 2013, 12:15:29 AM
Took down the four kings. Definitely one of the most frustrating experiences I had with the game. The fight itself isn't so bad once you figure it out, having to make the run back to the boss from firelink shrine over and over again until you do is completely shitty. So I'll just leave this here:

(click to show/hide)

Went and took out the hydra and that dragon. Is it possible to fight that dragon on foot? I tried but just wasn't possible with his fire attacks completely stun locking you so I just did it from a distance with the dragonslayer arrows. So I got a handful of areas left and the DLC which I need to look up how to do that.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Sunday, September 15, 2013, 03:19:12 PM
The Helkite dragon?  I ended up taking him out with regular arrows on the bridge.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Monday, September 16, 2013, 02:27:48 PM
Orenstein and Smaugh are dead! Hooray! Sunbro was very useful in the fight. First time I was about 2 hits from the end but got greedy and killed for it. Second time I played it a bit safer and handled it fairly well.

Amazing chest ahead, indeed.

So now I get to go....wherever.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Monday, September 16, 2013, 04:33:59 PM
very amazing chest.

I'm sort of pissed that I never summoned Solaire now.  I just assumed if he died in a fight he was done for, so I wanted to spare him as much as possible.

Take heart, Idol.  You should be able to solo everything else in the game.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Thursday, September 19, 2013, 02:41:34 PM
Resolution fix for new patch, courtesy of Pyro

http://blog.metaclassofnil.com/?p=343
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: iPPi on Friday, September 20, 2013, 10:50:13 PM
Defeated the Bell Gargoyles today.  They gave me some difficulty because I was playing defensively.  I decided to be more aggressive such that the first one died before the second landed and it was easy.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Saturday, September 21, 2013, 06:56:21 AM
Nice iPPi, that was a big hurdle for me, the only boss where I had to summon solaire for help. After that point I had a much better grasp on the controls and combat. What character/build you playing as?

I got through the Dukes Archive and Crystal Cave, subsequently taking down Seath. He's not necessarily hard just need to know somethings before you can take him, like the cursebite ring is a huge help and it's also good to know to destroy that icicle thing behind him. After that I did what I needed to do to access the DLC. Made my way into that, took down the sanctuary guardian, was a bit tough but wore him down eventually then stopped there. I fear this Manus dude Kman was talking about.

So a question about the story. Apparently I found out there is 2 serpents, there's Frampt and another guy. So what I thought was frampt I was talking to at the bottom of the abyss after the 4 kings fight was actually the other one and I ended up helping him. Not sure what consequence this has but I'm hoping I'm not going into some shitty ending for the game.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Saturday, September 21, 2013, 08:48:04 AM
Manus is the "final" boss of the DLC.  You'll find that the sanctuary guardian was the easiest of the four.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Wednesday, September 25, 2013, 06:53:36 AM
I got to Artorias in the DLC... my asshole hurts.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, September 25, 2013, 08:17:32 AM
He took me around 15-20 tries. 
(click to show/hide)

He's just a warmup to the real anal violation:  Manus.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Wednesday, September 25, 2013, 09:03:43 PM
I got him, I decided to try out a bigger shield since he hits so hard and a heavier weapon. Mobility was slowed but still doable, Artorias Greatshield + Serpent sword ftw. Knocking him out of his charge up was definitely key because the fight is pretty much over if he gets it off. After that win I felt good enough to keep going with those two weapons and just tore all through the next area. I got stuck with Kalameet till I had to look up how to actually fight him, turns out I missed something in the area I went through so I had to go back. He was pretty rough but after enough bouts I took him down, again that shield has been my savior. 

Down to the last one... tomorrow... and I shall lay the DLC to rest.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Friday, September 27, 2013, 07:13:09 AM
Took down three boss's yesterday: Manus, Nito, and Bed of Chaos. All that's left is the final boss. This is it, I can't believe I managed to truck through this thing, and I was pretty skeptical I would enjoy it. I've never been proven so wrong.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Sunday, September 29, 2013, 10:35:33 AM
So I finished it yesterday... quite a journey. Intimidated as I was starting off, it still managed to grab me through to the end. I still find that using a little help from guides leads to a more enjoyable experience. I'm sure you can still pull through going completely blind but you'd need much more patience that I have. So yea, we can now move along to chat about other games in IRC, OKAY GUYS?!?
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: gpw11 on Sunday, September 29, 2013, 12:30:44 PM
Oh, maybe I'll join chat and you guys can talk me through this!!

Realistically, I think I'm holding off until the sequel.  I just have too much going on to dedicate the time to getting back in (GTA5 is included in that statement).
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: sirean_syan on Sunday, September 29, 2013, 06:07:22 PM


Finished the game yesterday as well. I'm now pretty sure that these were the best things to come out of this generation.

That said, I've come away more fond of Demon's Souls. I'm sure a lot of that simply is due to it being first but there were slight differences in the tone and setup that struck a cord with me more. In particular it felt more oppressive and the situation more hopeless. I think a lot of that came from the Nexus structure making it seem like you were more a prisoner in a bigger game where as you had more agency in Dark Souls. Also I think Demon's was just a weirder game. The locations, enemies, and (especially) bosses were more off the beaten fantasy path and added to the feeling that they were trying something fairly new with the series. In terms of the actual game, Dark Souls is the clear winner. From learned a lot from Demon's and it shows. Because of that I'm sure if I ever wanted to go back to Demon's it would be a bit rough.

Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, September 29, 2013, 07:57:05 PM
Those are my thoughts as well, Sy. I wrote a blog about it at one point, on the world-building and the palpable dark of the first one versus the second. Dark is far and away the better game, but there was something so special and so weird about the first one that made it really lovable. And claustrophobic.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Sunday, September 29, 2013, 08:42:16 PM


Well, the bar has officially been raised.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Monday, September 30, 2013, 01:41:44 PM
Haha, holy shit... I was having browser issues and had a bunch of stuff killed, didn't even see that the first time. Sy is doing parenting right. Holy cow that kid is cute, man.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, October 09, 2013, 10:41:28 AM
Just topping this to remind everyone that Idol hasn't finished the game yet.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Wednesday, October 09, 2013, 11:23:11 AM
ur meen
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, October 10, 2013, 05:18:00 AM
ur meen

Don't feel bad - D ain't finished this either.
And D is still at Sen's Fortress.
D ain't played DS: PTD in some time.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Monday, October 21, 2013, 10:37:54 AM
IDOL...
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: ender on Monday, October 21, 2013, 12:27:17 PM
I almost picked this game back up again (after I sold it two years ago to get the evil spirits out of my apartment) while browsing GameStop. It was $16. Then I realized, I'm still waiting for Dishonored to come in the mail.

Maybe one day I'll finish this evil game.
Title: Re:
Post by: gpw11 on Thursday, October 24, 2013, 01:13:48 PM
I don't think I'll finish it.  I stopped playing at a pretty annoying part and just cant get back into it, especially with some of the annoyances of the PC version.  I'll probably just get the next one for PS3
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Xessive on Friday, October 25, 2013, 02:49:10 PM
I got beta access for Dark Souls 2 on the PS3. I think it's for Plus subscribers.

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and ignore it.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, October 30, 2013, 09:38:21 AM
They've had trouble getting the beta going anyway.  I woke up at 1 AM on Sunday to play it, and they never could get the servers up and going.

Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: sirean_syan on Wednesday, October 30, 2013, 10:24:45 AM
They're waiting for Idol to finish. He broke it. It's all his fault.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, October 30, 2013, 02:47:12 PM
Saw this pic on FB. Had to share it.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1402110_10151943308089717_769207192_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Wednesday, October 30, 2013, 05:53:37 PM
Hahaha... that's amazing.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, November 05, 2013, 10:47:44 AM
I kind of wanted to dress as Solaire for Halloween.  No one would get it, though.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, November 05, 2013, 07:45:44 PM
I also like how you're publicly shaming idol at this point. Good man.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, November 05, 2013, 08:13:12 PM
I beat Sif the other day. Im working on it.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, November 06, 2013, 09:06:55 AM
At this rate you'll be done by the time the PS5 hits.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Monday, January 20, 2014, 05:05:35 PM
So it is agreed. Idol and I discussed it and during the meet, he shall embark on dark souls... and hopefully finishing it. Actually I wont let him leave till he does.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Monday, January 20, 2014, 07:32:00 PM
Yup, this will be a thing. I'm going to see about getting a short PS+ sub which should allow me to upload my save to the cloud and continue from where I am on Pyros system. Failing that...I suppose I can marathon that bitch.

Pyro, we should stream it!
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Monday, January 20, 2014, 09:38:15 PM
Totally, I already know how to set a stream up and everything too. Perhaps I can stream the rest of my Slender play through or even attempt to play Amnesia.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 06:44:09 AM
Haha, that would be awesome. We should cam your face while you do it, and force you to play alone in a dark room while we stream.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Saturday, January 25, 2014, 07:24:28 PM
Is there any way to do traditional style coop in this game? It's $5 for XBLG memebers so a friend and I picked it up. I'm wondering if one of us can invite the other into our game, or does it just pull a random person? Also is it only at certain places that you can do this?

Also is the Prepare to Die Edition a PC only thing? I see someone on my XBL friends list playing "Deak Souls: Prepare to Die Edition (Xbox 360)", but it could just be that's how the Xbox One sees people using GFWL.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: PyroMenace on Saturday, January 25, 2014, 07:50:44 PM
I believe there is no way to invite your friends to your game on the console versions of the game, I know you can mod on the PC and do that. Also the Prepare to Die edition is PC only as well, it's just the game plus the DLC which you can buy separately on consoles.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Saturday, January 25, 2014, 08:02:25 PM
it must just be that I was looking at my friends list on Xbox One, and it recognizes GFWL as 360.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Cobra951 on Saturday, January 25, 2014, 08:19:48 PM
OK, so the Xbox 360 version is on sale for $5 this week, a full 75% off.  I am on the fence because of the low price.  I'd hate to pay any money at all for endless frustration, but damn!  You can't get McDonald's lunch for that much anymore.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Saturday, January 25, 2014, 10:11:54 PM
It requires a particular frame of mind, but it toppled Red Dead Redemption as my game of the generation.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, January 26, 2014, 07:08:55 AM
IMO, it's not nearly as rough as it's made out to be. It's more akin to the old days when you'd learn how to play a game by really digging into it, going through a section and learning new tricks each time, picking up on more nuances, etc. But it's still nowhere near as bad as some of the old NES games and what have you, since you don't have to start over completely every time, just within certain areas. The overall difficulty is high in that you really need to be on your game, be aware as you play, and there are definitely some battles and individual situations that really are tough to beat, but the checkpoint system does a lot to mitigate the feeling of having to re-do too much.

It isn't for everybody, but the only person I know who actually hates it is Xessive. I've not met anyone else who didn't love it. Even if they didn't bask in the difficulty, they usually seemed to appreciate the design ethos and enjoyed the game for what it was.

At five bucks, man, just try it! It's a beautiful game, and if you steel yourself against that difficulty, get in that "I'm a badass" mindset before each time you play, and remind yourself that no game is ever quite perfectly balanced, you'll probably only find the difficulty to be a true bear on a couple of occasions, depending on the character you're playing (I can only think of 3 or maybe 4 instances in the entire game where I was actually frustrated, and I overcame all of them with a little elbow grease) and the rest will just be satisfying victory over a stiff and unyielding challenge. It's my game of the generation as well.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Cobra951 on Sunday, January 26, 2014, 08:13:39 AM
I have a wasted a lot more on some real disappointments.  How can I pass it up for that cheap, after so much good word of mouth here.  :)
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Sunday, January 26, 2014, 04:53:28 PM
I recall hearing from people that this game is always fair, and you always know what you did wrong when you die. I disagree. Ok that's mostly true, but I've had a few deaths that I would definitely blame on wonky controls or the game just not giving you a chance to see what's coming.

-The ball coming down the stairs in the Asylum. There's almost no way to see this coming. You just take some damage though, so it's not a big deal.

-The burning barrel coming down the stairs in Undead Burgh. The only way to see this one coming it if you just happen to aim your camera up the stairs before it happens. This one is less excusable IMO because it knocked me off the cliff in a manner that fucking defied physics. I'm on the stairs, the barrel is coming down, and it hits me. Knocks me down the stairs, right? Nope. It knocks me 90 degrees to the left, directly off the cliff.

-I died like 5 times at the base of the steps to Undead Burg, right near the first bonfire after the Asylum. I was trying to jump across to the right, under the bridge where there's a body you can loot. Every one of these deaths felt like they were a direct result of the run/jump mechanics. (in every case, I cleared all the enemies first)


Despite all this, I'm having fun. I stayed up way later than I intended just playing and replaying Undead Burgh, wanting to get up to that bridge with the dragon (I've been that far before, but it's been a while so I restarted my character).
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Cobra951 on Sunday, January 26, 2014, 06:01:48 PM
I recall hearing from people that this game is always fair, and you always know what you did wrong when you die. I disagree. Ok that's mostly true, but I've had a few deaths that I would definitely blame on wonky controls or the game just not giving you a chance to see what's coming.

-The ball coming down the stairs in the Asylum. There's almost no way to see this coming. You just take some damage though, so it's not a big deal.

. . . [snip, for no spoilers for me!]


Yeah, I disagree also.  I got bowled over by that ball, then I had to look around to see what happened.  A bit later, I crossed the white light upstairs, and found myself looking down at that big demon.  Before I could do anything, he jumped and broke the ledge.  I fell, and he pounded on me.  Some health left!  Oh, I'm not moving.  Move, damn you!  Oh, now I'm moving!  Too late; he whacked me again.  I'm dead.

I know what I did wrong!  I crossed the white light!  Uh . . . yeah, that's it.

Edit:  Oh, ha!  It took me a while to realize I could damage this huge thing.  Attack while falling knocked off half its health, and I was able to beat it, just barely.  So I got carried off by a bird, and I'm now out in the open.  Getting used to the weird button mapping seems to be most of the early battle.  I so want to fight with the face buttons.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Sunday, January 26, 2014, 07:36:51 PM
Getting used to the weird button mapping seems to be most of the early battle.  I so want to fight with the face buttons.

Yea, this is has been my biggest hurdle in getting used to the game. I really want to just press A to jump, but it's B, and you have to be running for it to work. One time I fell down a little step and was on the edge of a cliff. I died because my character was physically unable to step up a half a foot. I was stuck and the only way to go was off the ledge.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, January 26, 2014, 09:30:50 PM
The game is a little wonky, but you get used to the limitations pretty quick. I'd say the game is generally fair, aside from a couple of surprise moments like those you mentioned. And any time you come up against a new mechanic you run that risk. I didn't know how curse status acted when it first happened to me, and I found out real fast, the hard way. But the game is generally not cheap. The vast majority of your deaths will be caused from just fucking up or getting in over your head, or running out of supplies, or taking risks to progress or to gain some big reward, not because you just didn't see something coming until it was too late.

Still, the game is a little wonky. You just have to accept that going in. But it's less wonky than Demons Souls by a small margin, and eventually you figure out all the little nuances.

EDIT - And yeah, that big demon dude tends to get people the first time. I remember when I was playing it at the meet and everybody was watching, we got a good laugh out of that when I was just standing there looking at him and then he clobbered me to death. If you don't put it together from the tutorial messages that you're supposed to stab his head as you fall ... good luck. haha
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Sunday, January 26, 2014, 10:15:46 PM
Couple random questions:

I started as a thief, thus have high dex. Is there a way to tell which weapons scale with dex? Will the dex bonus be displayed on items while I'm viewing them at a shop, or do I have ot buy them to see the listed damage number go up?

I read that there's a dragon that shoots fire at you on a bridge, and if you sneak under him through another path, you can shoot his tail with a bow to get a sword off him. Is that before or after the Taurus Demon? Not sure if I'm going the right way or not.

Also, there's a tall knight with a sword and shield in Undead Burgh I can't seem to kill. If you roll off the walkway where the guys are throwing firebombs at you, you land behind him (which doesn't help much). Do I just need to level up/equip up before I can take him? He seems to take so little damage.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, January 26, 2014, 10:35:27 PM
Yeah, it'll take you a while to work up to him, no worries.

It's been forever since I've played, so I honestly forget about how weapon stats are displayed and such. I'm sure somebody with more recent experience can answer you.

As for the dragon ... my best advice to you is seriously, don't read ahead about shit. Don't use guides, don't play it like an MMO. Save that for a second playthrough or whatever. The game is a far better experience when you have absolutely no idea what horrible shit is waiting for you in the next area, or when you actually have to risk unknown factors to potentially reach rewards (like: do I try to make this jump, or wait and see if there's another way around? do I try to kill this horrible-looking thing or just leave the treasure chest and move on?). I would highly recommend this as a game to play through entirely blind on your first run. That's more or less what I did, though I think toward the middle of the game I started looking over other people's character builds just to get a better idea of how things worked. And I mean that's cool, because in this game you can potentially gimp yourself a bit if you don't understand the mechanics. And there were I think two occasions where I just couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong in my approaches to something, and resorted to checking online to see what I was missing. But still ... I think it's just so much more fun when you have to flail around and pray your way around every corner.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Sunday, January 26, 2014, 10:42:28 PM
There should be a button to press when in the shop to view an items stats. At the bottom you should see rating like A, B, C that tells you how well something scales with a certain stat. Just like school, A is better than C.

After Taurus.

Leveling up and such helps but black knights are just bastards in general. That one is tricky because of the confined space he is in, making it harder for you to dodge. You can make it a bit easier by clearing out the area before you get to him and kite him back to the courtyard where you have some room.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Monday, January 27, 2014, 12:58:40 AM
I've never played a DEX heavy build before but there are some great weapons to get that overshadow the Drake Sword you are talking about getting such as some of the scythes, katanas, and curved swords that appear in the game and many of them have A or B level scaling to DEX.  There are people who say not to get the Drake Sword early on and others who do. I got it both times I have played through it and abandoned it shortly after getting it for a weapon that scaled to my main stat of STR better.  There are plenty of weapons at different points in the game that scale to DEX and can take you through the rest of the game but early on that Drake Sword helps out while you are still low on souls and weapons since not all of the better DEX weapons are immediately accessible.

You just have to find which weapon you are most comfortable with and get used to the animation of the weapon since two very similar weapons that both scale to the same stat can have wildly different animations. 

You probably wouldn't want to take on the black knight until you are more comfortable with trying to get backstabs or parrying on a consistent basis if you aren't doing the damage needed, but this is also coming from someone who plays big tank characters with greatshields and greatswords.  I do remember killing the black knight with the Drake Sword early on but it wasn't easier until I had the endurance to take his hits with my shield.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Monday, January 27, 2014, 01:48:57 AM
I got the Drake Sword, and managed to kill that black knight with it. He dropped a Black Knight Sword, which is even better than the Drake Sword, but I don't have the STR to equip it yet. I've tried my bandit's knife, a scimitar, a spear... I think I like the Bandit Knife the best, but it's damage pales in comparison to anything else. I guess it's a bit faster, but still. I want a more powerful dagger I think.

I just had my first invasion. I was wandering around the underside of the bridge where the big red drake is, and saw a sign or two saying I needed life, or maybe it actually said humanity. So I reversed my hollowing and went back, and got the message I had been invaded. The guy came down the stairs and I prepared to have my shit pushed in, but I wasn't going down without a fight. The guy waved and me and then dropped a shitload of items for me, then tried to lead me past the drake, and opened some gate for me (to the bonfire? not sure). He gave me:

Elite Knight Helm +6
Elite Knight Armor +6
Elite Knight Gauntlets +6
Elite Knight Leggings +6
Longsword +7
Reinforced Club +7
Dragon Crest Shield +4
Cloranthy ring
Havel's Ring
Ring of Steel Protection
Old Witch's Ring
Ring of Favor and Protection
a bunch of Titanite shards, chunks, slabs, and some dragon scales
some Sunlight Medals
some Blooming Purpe Moss
some Divine Blessings
some Souls of Sif
some Souls of Manus
some Souls of Gwyn
some Humanity
some Rubbish
a Darksign (did I have that already?)

I... think that's all of it?



This shit will break the game for me (make it super easy), won't it?


EDIT: Yup, this stuff is too much. I let a skeleton beat on me to see how much damage he would do. Did it again with the new set of armor. ~6 hits would kill me in my old armor, but it would take 20+ with the new stuff. Also this sword is doing the same dmg with a weak attack that my dagger does with a counter-attack or backstab. Also my roll is slow as fuck with all that heavy armor. I hope leather armor stays viable so I can keep using it.

Is your movement speed/roll speed affected by how much stuff you're carrying, or just what you have equipped? I bought a Bottomless Box, so I guess I could store a bunch of stuff in there? I'm guessing that works like a bank or stash, right?

EDIT: Found out what I needed about the movement speed. I guess it gets slower as you hit 25%, 50%, and 75% of your maximum equip weight.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Monday, January 27, 2014, 07:49:45 AM
Yeah, it's all about equip weight. There are ways to manage it. My build was focused on having some heavier gear and a bigass sword, but still being able to cartwheel around everywhere because of other items that helped me out in the weight department.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Cobra951 on Monday, January 27, 2014, 07:59:47 AM
. . .

I just had my first invasion. I was wandering around the underside of the bridge where the big red drake is, and saw a sign or two saying I needed life, or maybe it actually said humanity. So I reversed my hollowing and went back, and got the message I had been invaded. The guy came down the stairs and I prepared to have my shit pushed in, but I wasn't going down without a fight. The guy waved and me and then dropped a shitload of items for me, then tried to lead me past the drake, and opened some gate for me (to the bonfire? not sure). He gave me:

Elite Knight Helm +6
Elite Knight Armor +6
Elite Knight Gauntlets +6
Elite Knight Leggings +6
Longsword +7
Reinforced Club +7
Dragon Crest Shield +4
Cloranthy ring
Havel's Ring
Ring of Steel Protection
Old Witch's Ring
Ring of Favor and Protection
a bunch of Titanite shards, chunks, slabs, and some dragon scales
some Sunlight Medals
some Blooming Purpe Moss
some Divine Blessings
some Souls of Sif
some Souls of Manus
some Souls of Gwyn
some Humanity
some Rubbish
a Darksign (did I have that already?)

I... think that's all of it?



This shit will break the game for me (make it super easy), won't it?


EDIT: Yup, this stuff is too much.

. . .

I jumped into this game without realizing I was online the whole time.  I kept seeing ghostly shades, and an occasional human figure at a bonfire.  Bloodstains, signs, etc.  Then I started wondering and looked it up.  What bugged me, like a ton, is that the game didn't tell me this, and that there is no in-game way of choosing to play offline.  Because of my own idiosyncrasies, I seldom like to play videogames in the presence (physical or virtual) of anyone else.  And besides, this absolutely has to be optional.  How could they not even give you a menu option, or tell you outright what's happening?  Getting randomly invaded by some douche who is way more powerful, and then being at his whim, good or evil?  Screw that.  I know the game is supposed to be better this way, but it just takes me way out of my comfort zone.  Will check it out later, but for now, no thanks.

So anyway, for the Xbox, press the big silver button, and start a Party.  Don't invite anyone.  That's it.  This will force Dark Souls into offline mode.  Don't do it while playing, because it will tell you it can't continue and kick you to the main menu.  You can do it at the main menu, or outside the game entirely.  Much easier than yanking the ethernet cable, or restarting the game on an offline profile.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Monday, January 27, 2014, 02:44:27 PM
Also players can only enter your game if you are human, and I keep reading people say to just not become human because it's useless, and you lose it if you die anyway. So why do I keep seeing notes that say "need humanity"? Is it invasion bait, or is it a roundabout way to suggest summoning help?

Also seeing signs all over that just say "praise the sun" doesn't seem like much help. I get it if you're putting it right after a tough area as a way to cheer or whatever. But when I'm facing down a tough section and not sure what to do, I go to a sign to get a tip, and it say "praise the sun!".
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Monday, January 27, 2014, 02:45:02 PM
You can only get invaded in human form, and I spent the vast majority of my time in the game out of it. You don't have to play offline to avoid that stuff. You're losing a good portion of the fun if you play offline, not just from battling other players (which I did probably only 5 or so times the entire time I was playing the game), but from the bloodstains, messages, etc. You also lose out on coop, although there are a few NPC characters who will simulate on some level the invasion/coop aspects of the game. I never did win a fight with other players, though I got close on several occasions, and honestly, as much of a "goddammit" moment as it can be, it's a total rush. I don't think I ever cooped with another player to beat a boss, though I've heard that can make some of the harder bosses a cinch.

EDIT - Oops, W7RE posted first.

I forget what the advantage of being human is, but humanity is a thing you can use in the game, both to spend to become human (which can affect things in some instances), or to spend as currency even in certain places or to do certain things. There's a lot under the surface of this game which isn't explained. It takes an emergent gameplay sort of stance on things and builds a lot that you have to poke around to figure out, which to me was a lot of the fun (as I said above). The game doesn't outright say in a tutorial message, "Here's how it all works!" but it's not like you aren't going to figure it out when the giant message flashes on the screen and you're fighting a crazy specter that's freaking you out. And like I said, there are portions of the game that sort of simulate that with NPC characters along the way.

Messages and such may be helpful or may not. Unfortunately you guys are playing way, way after release, so the quality might have gone down a bit. It's as likely that somebody spammed useless shit as put down something useful, but there are definitely times when the messages are hilarious or helpful. Or that's how it was when I played, at least.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Monday, January 27, 2014, 02:50:04 PM
Most of the messages are helpful. It's just a few spots where I see like 2-3 "praise the sun" messages in a spot that doesn't make sense, and right next to each other.

Question: I've got some items that say they upgrade weapons, some of which I think I actually got legitimately. When I try to use them, the "use" command on the item menu is marked out. How do I use them? Also, would it be a waste to use one on my Bandit's Knife? I really like the speed and small arc of that weapons, keeps me from bouncing it off walls in tight areas. The damage seems like it's inferior even to the plain scimitar I've been using.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Monday, January 27, 2014, 02:58:05 PM
You can either buy a special box at a vendor that will allow you to do basic weapon and armor upgrades (I think it costs 2000 souls?), or you can find one of several blacksmiths who will upgrade the items for you.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Cobra951 on Monday, January 27, 2014, 10:26:53 PM
There should be a button to press when in the shop to view an items stats. At the bottom you should see rating like A, B, C that tells you how well something scales with a certain stat. Just like school, A is better than C.

After Taurus.

Leveling up and such helps but black knights are just bastards in general. That one is tricky because of the confined space he is in, making it harder for you to dodge. You can make it a bit easier by clearing out the area before you get to him and kite him back to the courtyard where you have some room.

After Taurus . . . how?  This guy ended my session.  I can't get more than a few licks in before he has me for lunch.  Is there something I'm missing, other than basic ability?
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Monday, January 27, 2014, 10:33:47 PM
The bandit's knife is not a bad weapon to upgrade since it scales to Dex so well and actually has the highest crit bonus in the game besides one of the daggers you get from the DLC content which you won't be doing until much later.  The titanite shards you use to upgrade it with a weapon upgrade box or at a blacksmith are actually sold by the blacksmith and are dropped pretty frequently so it may not be a bad idea to upgrade it and see how it plays out.  You probably won't be able to upgrade it past +5 right now anyways since the blacksmith needs a large ember to go past +5 and I doubt you have that yet.

Cobra, with the Taurus Demon there are two really easy ways to beat him.  One involves using a certain item in your inventory that does a decent amount of damage on him and another involves the plunging attack.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Monday, January 27, 2014, 10:50:03 PM
I used the plunging attack to kill him. There's a ladder leading up to the top of the tower you come out of. I killed the 2 archers up there first, then ran up there when Taurus came out, and jumped down on him. Then I ran away a bit, then ran past him and went back up there. It probably helps that I'm wearing fairly light armor and have decent speed.

Is there a blacksmith anywhere near where I'm at? I don't necessarily need instructions to get to him, just want to know if I'm close. I'm wandering around the Undead Parish now mostly, still going back to Undead Burgh a bit to buy stuff and make attempts at that guy with the giant club down below the Taurus Demon.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Monday, January 27, 2014, 11:01:22 PM
I used the plunging attack to kill him. There's a ladder leading up to the top of the tower you come out of. I killed the 2 archers up there first, then ran up there when Taurus came out, and jumped down on him. Then I ran away a bit, then ran past him and went back up there. It probably helps that I'm wearing fairly light armor and have decent speed.

Is there a blacksmith anywhere near where I'm at? I don't necessarily need instructions to get to him, just want to know if I'm close. I'm wandering around the Undead Parish now mostly, still going back to Undead Burgh a bit to buy stuff and make attempts at that guy with the giant club down below the Taurus Demon.

There's a blacksmith at Undead Parish, you will hear him hammering if you are getting close.  The guy with the big club you mentioned is Havel and he will fuck you up if you aren't comfortable with dodging and watching your stamina.  I beat him with a lot of parrying and backstabs but I was also probably doing a lot more damage than you are at the point you are at since I was going with a heavy STR and END build.  The stamina to roll out of the way if he gets an attack in near you is going to be the most important thing because I'm going to take a guess and say that he one hit kills you.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Tuesday, January 28, 2014, 01:55:41 AM
Yea, he one shots me if I'm not blocking. I've had a few lengthy fights with him, but it's a long process. One screw up and it's over. I tried firebombs but that doesn't help much. I even tried the drake sword, but that doesn't help that much either.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Cobra951 on Tuesday, January 28, 2014, 10:19:55 AM
I've been wondering, and reading this page only reinforced it:  Should I be grinding near my current boosted bonfire for more levels?  Every time I rest, the enemies that respawn get slightly tougher.  I'm now having to deal with more firebomb-chucking guys on the roof, and quicker melee assaults.  And every time I go through the cycle, my gear loses some durability.  I'm mixing it up, trying to use the crappier stuff they drop, and saving my better (though not by much) gear for the bigger fights.  But I'm wondering if the bosses will be leveling up too, making grinding in fact pointless.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, January 28, 2014, 10:36:27 AM
As far as I'm aware, nothing in the game scales to your level. Some situations may change (like I think those firebomb dudes just show up after you've been through the area? I forget), but as far as I'm aware, nothing changes based on your level. You can certainly do some grinding/hunting runs for souls or gear/items/whatever.

And of course every New Game + you go through increases the toughness of all the enemies by a large amount.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Cobra951 on Tuesday, January 28, 2014, 10:53:56 AM
OK, thanks for the quick reply.  I'll try grinding a bit with the hollow-man gear, and see if Taurus becomes more tractable.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, January 28, 2014, 12:22:31 PM
Using weaker gear only makes you weaker. Durability goes down pretty slowly in this game and I've only ever had one item break on me, and that was because a specific boss had an attack that deals durability damage that I got hit by several times over multiple fights.

You should be able to find a merchant in Undead Burg that will sell you a repair box for a couple thousand souls. With it you can spend souls at any bonfire to repair your equipment. Even if an item "breaks" you can still repair it. You never actually lose the item just your ability to use it until its fixed.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Cobra951 on Tuesday, January 28, 2014, 07:59:20 PM
Yep, found him, and not because I read it here.  I broke some boxes, and oooh! a staircase.  Bought some repair powder, a bottomless box and a residence key, as well as some throwing knives and some bolts for a crossbow that some nice undead fellow dropped for me after I killed him.

I've had 2 more battle axes drop, as well as a spear, so I'm a lot less concerned about durability.  I'm slowly getting better at the moves and controls.  I allowed the game to go online today, and although I haven't seen any messages telling me something I didn't already know, I do see some spectral characters somehow jumping up to this ladder up on the wall in the room with the bonfire.  My jumps don't even go halfway high enough for that.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Tuesday, January 28, 2014, 10:07:24 PM
I do see some spectral characters somehow jumping up to this ladder up on the wall in the room with the bonfire.  My jumps don't even go halfway high enough for that.

That's actually a shortcut you will open up after you defeat the Taurus Demon so you can easily access the bonfire again from further in Undead Burg.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Tuesday, January 28, 2014, 11:11:04 PM
That's actually a shortcut you will open up after you defeat the Taurus Demon so you can easily access the bonfire again from further in Undead Burg.

Yea you have to approach the ladder from above to unlock that path.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Cobra951 on Monday, February 03, 2014, 09:30:46 PM
Well, I think I'm finished.  I hate being right about this game.  I was hoping that I would find the game enjoyable somehow, but my fears turned out to be spot on.  I cannot get past this Taurus guy.  I've tried a couple of dozen times, and it's just too ragequittingly frustrating.  Once he's on me, I don't have a chance to do jack shit.  And this is just an early taste of what's to come, right?  I'm not fighting the hardest boss in the game, or even close to it, I'm sure.

So, yeah.  $5 was the perfect price tag to give this a whirl.  I got more than that out of it.  Now it's time to do something that fosters more positive emotions.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Monday, February 03, 2014, 10:04:21 PM
I haven't played in a couple days. I found the blacksmith and had to stop and grind out a bunch of souls to do some upgrades. I feel them when up against weak enemies, but against tougher enemies it feels like they make no difference. Maybe I need to grind out some levels? I'm not happy about the idea of stopping and clearing the same area over and over so I can level up and make more progress. I like it the game, but progress is just so slow when I'm repeating the same areas over and over for souls (not because I'm dying), I start to get bored and think of other games I could be spending my time on.

Yes, I know Kane & Lynch is showing as my last played game in my sig. It's not good. I didn't quit DS to play K&L lol.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Monday, February 03, 2014, 10:07:47 PM
Cobra - Well, that's partially true and partially not. I mean, any particular situation in the game can give you specific trouble based on your build or your understanding of the mechanics or whatever else, and what ends up being super tough for one person isn't for another. For instance, everyone talked about how one boss was so easy and it was no big deal and they had no trouble, etc., then I got to it and got creamed time and again despite it supposedly being one of the easier/weaker bosses in the game. I just had to figure out how to get through it with my build, which I did, though it took a little work.

If you haven't tried this yet, the easy way past the Taurus dude is to just firebomb the living shit out of him. Buy/find 5 or 6 of those firebomb items, and just lay into him. That should either finish him off entirely or soften him up enough for you to finish the job. Did you try the earlier advice on divebombing him from the top of the tower?

If you've tried all that and you still haven't made progress, then I'd venture to say that yeah, this is not the game for you. But if you haven't, or if you haven't tried reading a guide to get for some assistance, see if the above advice or a guide might not steer you in the right direction. And hell, don't be afraid to watch YouTube videos if you really want to check and see if there's something you're missing, or a pattern you aren't exploiting, whatever. They can be helpful in seeing how a player might successfully maneuver physically during a fight, since sometimes enclosed spaces make it tough to figure out just how to navigate a boss battle as you're fighting. I believe I died 3 or 4 times to the Taurus demon before trying the firebombs, then realized how well they worked and cleared him without issue on the next attempt.

W7RE - You might do a little grinding, but it's not that grindy of a game. A little here and there should be plenty. It rewards skill and tactics as much as stats. That said, there are some guys that are just going to out-level and thus kill you too easily. Given the somewhat more open nature of the game, certain areas are definitely too tough at various stages of the game. You'll usually know when you're in one of those.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Monday, February 03, 2014, 11:01:51 PM
Right now I'm at the bonfire right by the smith in Undead Parish. I've used all my materials to upgrade my Thief Dagger, Wooden Shield, and the armor my thief started in. The dagger is +5, the shield is +2, the hood is +2, and the rest of the armor is +1. I'm level 22 with 15 vit, 16 str, 17 dex.

I've got 3 tough spots right now, and have only really tried to tackle one of them with my upgrades:
-Guy with club down below where Taurus Demon is (tried him a few times after upgrades, they didn't seem to make any difference)
-Guy in a church with a tower shield and an asshole upstairs shooting magic at me from above (tried him once before the upgrades, and got one shot)
-Something big that shoots lightning, and is in the next room from the smith. (haven't tangled with this guy at all yet)

I don't think I have anywhere else new I can go yet, so I'm gonna have to tackle one of those.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 06:25:28 AM
Cobra, I think a little more patience with the game could yield some great rewards. But if you're not having fun then it's a waste for you.  As for the Taurus demon, he becomes fairly easy to tackle if you dive bomb him from the top of the tower where the archers are. 

Demon's Souls and Dark Souls are probably the best example of a "love it or hate it" game I can think of.  It's certainly not for everyone.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 06:36:24 AM
W7, I want to say there's another way to approach the tower shield dude's area, but I honestly forget. It's been too long, I can't remember quite how all of that area connects together. But that's pretty much what you're going to have to deal with. Club dude is going to be someone you probably take out later in the game a bit. Lightning dude is someone you'll deal with before long.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 06:59:36 AM
W7, I want to say there's another way to approach the tower shield dude's area, but I honestly forget. It's been too long, I can't remember quite how all of that area connects together. But that's pretty much what you're going to have to deal with. Club dude is going to be someone you probably take out later in the game a bit. Lightning dude is someone you'll deal with before long.

Yea I've been to the tower shield guy from 2 sides now. I think. The path leading into the Undead Parish from the dragon bridge leads straight to him if you keep going straight. If you go down into a basement type area instead, the path winds around and you end up on the right side of that building, and there's a doorway in to him. (I didn't venture in, just looks like the same place at a glance) In front of that door is the path that leads to the smith, to a fat knight at a closed gate, and the lightning thing by the smith.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Cobra951 on Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 08:37:39 AM
I haven't played in a couple days. I found the blacksmith and had to stop and grind out a bunch of souls to do some upgrades. I feel them when up against weak enemies, but against tougher enemies it feels like they make no difference. Maybe I need to grind out some levels? I'm not happy about the idea of stopping and clearing the same area over and over so I can level up and make more progress. I like it the game, but progress is just so slow when I'm repeating the same areas over and over for souls (not because I'm dying), I start to get bored and think of other games I could be spending my time on.

Exactly.  Not only am I repeating the same 20-second death march over and over, but I'm also trudging my way through the whole area to get to it.  Guy at the stairs charges, then the archer, then another guy runs up the stairs, dodge the infinite firebombs, lure a guy, charge the other two, around the building and upstairs to tackle 3 more, up the spiral stairs to the sniper, down to 2 easy dudes and a tougher guy with a spear, up the stairs to another, them finally up the big spiral to the white light.  I have the sequence etched into my brain.

Yes, I remember when this was gaming.  My 8-bit NES is stored lovingly.  I was young then, and I guess it didn't bother me to spend countless hours repeating a long sequence between save points until I got it right.  Not no more.

And even so, the decision to move on comes not so much from this one impediment, but by the promise that the rest of the game is a parade of such torture spots, which will only get more difficult and frustrating.  Because of the positive commentary I keep reading here, and all over, really, I gave the game a shot, to make sure I wasn't missing something.  It seems I did not.  I pegged it quite accurately.

Que, I have 5 firebombs.  Once I use them, they're gone.  They don't come back after I die.  I paid attention to a bad sign, and killed the merchant to loot him.  Hahaha!  Everything in the fucking game respawns when I rest or die, but the merchant?  Nah!  He stays dead.  His body is there forever as evidence to my noobness, and the punishing game design.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 09:32:23 AM
I know you hate things that are too difficult, and hoped this wouldn't end up being your judgment, but I guess I figured you should try it, because for a lot of people it doesn't end up being as hard as they think it will be. I really didn't find the game particularly tough except on those few fairly frustrating occasions, but there were less than a handful, and those in a game I spent at least 60 hours with. So I wanted to encourage you to at least give it a shot. It's a bummer if it doesn't turn out to be your thing, but I won't bother encouraging you to keep at it. You will if you will, and if not, at least it was only five bucks! And you could give your copy as a Christmas gift to someone you hate!
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 05:52:42 PM
The death of that merchant is probably hurting you a lot. I farmed that area and bought like 50 firebombs from him, a bow, and like 500 arrows, as well as the key and repair item. The firebomb guys near the bonfire are super easy with a bow.

I can see why the tedium of clearing an area would turn someone off to this game. It's not bad the first few times, but now clearing Undead Burgh super tedious. I can 1-2 shot all the enemies, but I have to treat them all like a serious threat or I get owned. Then if I want to level up I have to clear an area repeatedly, resetting the enemies at the bonfire because there's just not enough of them to get the souls to level up even once. I like the combat, and the difficulty doesn't bother me in most situations, but there's a certain tedious nature to a lot of what you're doing that can drag it down.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 09:26:21 PM
If you want tedious, farm the depths for humanity and green titanite.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, February 04, 2014, 09:45:54 PM
There's nothing here any more tedious than any other RPG, and considerably less than most. Or so I thought, at least.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 12:17:13 AM
The death of that merchant is probably hurting you a lot. I farmed that area and bought like 50 firebombs from him, a bow, and like 500 arrows, as well as the key and repair item. The firebomb guys near the bonfire are super easy with a bow.

I can see why the tedium of clearing an area would turn someone off to this game. It's not bad the first few times, but now clearing Undead Burgh super tedious. I can 1-2 shot all the enemies, but I have to treat them all like a serious threat or I get owned. Then if I want to level up I have to clear an area repeatedly, resetting the enemies at the bonfire because there's just not enough of them to get the souls to level up even once. I like the combat, and the difficulty doesn't bother me in most situations, but there's a certain tedious nature to a lot of what you're doing that can drag it down.

I'm confused as to why you're having to grind so much. What's your soul level and stats?  You really shouldn't have to grind in that area of the game at all.  If you are heading into the church you are going the right way.  The big guy in the church with the tower shield doesn't respawn after you kill him and you should be able to kite him out to the more open area just outside the church building to give yourself more room to kill him and then make your way the the upper levels of the church to take out the guy with the magic upstairs.  The big guy below the blacksmith is pretty tough but you could easily run past him to another area of the game if you wanted but you should be able to clear out the rest of the church before you even consider that.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: W7RE on Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 04:13:32 AM
There's nothing here any more tedious than any other RPG, and considerably less than most. Or so I thought, at least.

Depends on what kind of RPG you're talking about. I don't touch JRPGs anymore. Skyrim isn't tedious, Mass Effect isn't (lol ok, well the first one was sort of RPG-ish). The Witcher wasn't tedious, just poorly paced. I don't think I've played many other RPGs except MMOs, which all pretty much suck unless you have friends.

I'm confused as to why you're having to grind so much. What's your soul level and stats?  You really shouldn't have to grind in that area of the game at all.

I don't have to grind, but I felt compelled to when I got to the new smith and saw stuff I could buy. I actually only made one attempt at the guy in the church, and it wasn't a serious one. I haven't played the game in a few days because I'm feeling kinda meh about it. I want to like it, I get what people like about it, but I just don't feel compelled to play.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Second on the Witcher being poorly paced.  The swamp area was such a downer.

And I'll just say it.  No one should be having trouble with the mobs in the burg.  The only ones that should be a real threat are the big knights, which you're probably not equipped to kill yet (not easily, anyway). all enemies are dangerous in the sense that every mob in the game can get one over on you at any point of your play through (see:  zombie wielding a torch in the depths that killed me at soul level 100 because I got careless).  I think everyone would do well to utilize what you have at your disposal.  Parry is an excellent way to get over on the spear knights.  Also, learn to roll effectively.  This is not a game where you can take significant amounts of damage.  The key is not taking it to begin with.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 10:28:07 AM
Second on the Witcher being poorly paced.  The swamp area was such a drowner.
FTFY
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 12:50:41 PM
Idol reminded me on IRC that we both cut our teeth on Demon's Souls before playing Dark Souls.  That definitely makes a difference in how we perceive the difficulty.

I know the game isn't for everyone, but I enjoyed it so much that I have a hard time thinking anyone wouldn't like it if they gave it some time.  It could be that I was just ready for that kind of game at the time.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: idolminds on Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 03:55:20 PM
This article (http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/learning-to-praise-the-sun/1100-4858/) is rather timely.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: Cobra951 on Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 04:36:21 PM
This article (http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/learning-to-praise-the-sun/1100-4858/) is rather timely.

It is also rather vague.  I can sit here and come up with slippery platitudes about lots of things.  I'm glad he saw the light, and ended up enjoying the experience.  All the testimonials do convince me that success is not only possible in the game, but also greatly rewarding.  Too bad the article does nothing to guide me in that endeavor, or nudge me away from wrong thinking into the illuminated path.  I want to read some details about this cautious avoidance of everything that jumps out and kills you.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 04:54:21 PM
Cobra, if it helps you, I utilized the wiki page quite a bit.  That would certainly assist your endeavor to not die a ton.

In hindsight I regret some of it.  I wish I had been surprised in a number of instances rather than knowing what's coming.  That's a big reason why I'm so excited for II.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Friday, February 07, 2014, 08:06:49 AM
I pimp him constantly in IRC, but LobosJr's twitch streams of Dark Souls are a good watch.  He does insane runs.  For instance,the other night it was a crossbow only run.  He did a no death, level 1, naked, can't use estus, can only heal with humanity, cannot bonfire unless he has full health run on Thanksgiving.  He spent most of the day attempting it.  Got really close at the end and got careless.  Fell to his death.

sort of funny/sad to see someone absolutely destroy a game I spent the better part of a year getting through.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 11:16:47 AM
seeing this thread slowly drop COME ON GUYS
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: nickclone on Sunday, February 16, 2014, 10:50:29 AM
I bought this game a year ago, played it, got my ass kicked and stopped playing. However, I think I was mislead, I was told that leveling up would hurt you more than help. After watching the guys on giant bomb play, I decided to give it another chance.
Title: Re: Have you praised the sun today? The Dark Souls thread. (SPOILERS)!
Post by: gpw11 on Sunday, February 16, 2014, 08:03:05 PM
It is also rather vague.  I can sit here and come up with slippery platitudes about lots of things.  I'm glad he saw the light, and ended up enjoying the experience.  All the testimonials do convince me that success is not only possible in the game, but also greatly rewarding.  Too bad the article does nothing to guide me in that endeavor, or nudge me away from wrong thinking into the illuminated path.  I want to read some details about this cautious avoidance of everything that jumps out and kills you.

I can't blame anyone for not liking Dark Souls.  I got into it for about 2 weeks last year and was having a blast.  I felt a bit overwhelmed at first but eventually got the hang of it and really enjoyed slowly progressing through.

That said, I hit a part of the game that just killed it for me.  Catacombs maybe or something?  Not at all a big deal, but went through, got to some undead dragon or something and died.  Fair enough, plodded back to try again and got bitten by something that cursed me.  Max Half health until I can buy an uncurse stone.  The problem was the place to buy it was like 12 minutes away.  So I run back, buy one (only had money for one) cured myself, ran back again, died at that boss again but almost got it and then back to the bonfire.  Started running back to the boss once again and got cursed. 

Okay, fuck that.  Didn't feel like investing the time at that point and stopped for a few days.  When I tried to pick it up again I really just didn't give a shit anymore.
Title: Re: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: MysterD on Monday, March 10, 2014, 03:10:00 PM
PC Gamers, check this out.

Polygon -> Report on the Dark Souls Death Counter. (http://www.polygon.com/2014/3/10/5490378/dark-souls-death-counterwebsite)
Basically, upload your saved game here (http://darksoulsdeaths.com/) - it'll tell you how many times you've died.
Title: Re: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: PyroMenace on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 05:12:01 PM
<Thread bump idol motivator/reminder post>
Title: Re: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: K-man on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 08:47:21 PM
yessssssssssssssssss
Title: Re: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: idolminds on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 08:54:50 PM
I have been reminded/motivated.
Title: Re: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: Quemaqua on Saturday, August 16, 2014, 12:14:16 AM
Reminds me that I need to get back to DS2.
Title: Re: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, May 03, 2015, 05:08:21 AM
I've been battling Ornstein + Smough.

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Title: Re: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, May 03, 2015, 08:33:56 AM
I decided to go back to farm elsewhere for Humanity, but got to a Blacksmith that had enough Souls to get a Chest to use in Darkroot.
Used it in Darkroot; defeated some people + mushrooms; and then pounced Sif.

Good times.
Title: Re: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, February 24, 2016, 12:51:17 PM
I booted Dark Souls up the other day with the intentions of screwing around for a few minutes.

Fast forward a few days later and I've conquered Capra Demon, Moonlight Butterfly, Gaping Dragon, and am on my way to Blighttown.  So weird, in a lot of ways replaying it feels like going back to visit an old friend.  An old, murderous friend.
Title: Re: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: K-man on Sunday, February 28, 2016, 11:29:27 AM
I have officially made it to the brick wall that is Ornstein and Smough.  Please think of me in this difficult time.
Title: Re: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: Xessive on Sunday, February 28, 2016, 11:42:41 AM
Slashy Souls: a first look at Namco's new Dark Souls-inspired mobile game (http://www.polygon.com/2016/2/27/11125424/slashy-souls-first-look-gameplay-video-dark-souls-mobile-namco-ios-android)
Title: Re: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: K-man on Wednesday, March 02, 2016, 11:47:01 AM
After beating my head against the wall with O&S, I finally abandoned my quest to kill them solo and summoned my #1 sunbro Solaire.  By then I had gotten so used to fighting both of them alone it almost made it too easy.

I think Anor Londo is something of a natural conclusion to a "first act" of the game.  After O&S you gain the ability to warp and easily take care of any loose ends you've left in the game to that point, and your ultimate purpose is made clear. It's also something of a gut check in that you're consistently facing enemies way tougher than you.  And the silver knights pretty much force you to become adept at both parrying and backstabbing, helping to prepare you for the coming horrors.

I am now fairly certain that Dark Souls is my all-time favorite video game.  My experience with it was so memorable that it ruined a lot of other games for me.



 

 
Title: Re: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: Quemaqua on Friday, March 04, 2016, 04:39:04 PM
It's way, way up there for me too. I dunno about all-time favorite, because that would be hard to choose, but it would definitely be a contender.
Title: Re: Dark Souls: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Death
Post by: K-man on Sunday, March 06, 2016, 09:06:36 AM
Defeated Gwyn just a little after midnight.  Now on to DSII!