Post by: idolminds on Monday, October 23, 2006, 12:16:39 PM
Its not on the site yet, since they plan on releasing officially tomorrow. The files are already up, so get it before the rush.
Most of my extensions still work, and the couple that didn't I was able to edit and now they work just fine. The built-in spell checker is pretty snazzy.
Post by: scottws on Monday, October 23, 2006, 12:27:16 PM
Post by: Cobra951 on Monday, October 23, 2006, 01:22:53 PM
Post by: iPPi on Monday, October 23, 2006, 01:25:29 PM
Post by: Xessive on Monday, October 23, 2006, 04:44:44 PM
Extensions are now called "Add-ons" by the way!
Post by: joeactually on Monday, October 23, 2006, 04:49:19 PM
Grrr... I just got FF 1.5 installed at work and it wasn't easy.
UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! I'm telling!
Post by: shock on Monday, October 23, 2006, 05:24:49 PM
I think it is perfect!
Post by: Quemaqua on Monday, October 23, 2006, 07:08:45 PM
Post by: Ghandi on Monday, October 23, 2006, 08:29:02 PM
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 07:16:22 AM
Makes me wonder why they put it up early, if they want to launch it tonight!!! :o
Linky:
http://digg.com/software/Firefox_2_is_NOT_released
Post by: Cobra951 on Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 07:26:42 AM
Post by: scottws on Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 09:35:24 AM
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This is an issue we're seeing unfortunately too often. Most of the time it is being caused by a pc restart or crash. If you're seeing this without restarting your pc PLEASE REPORT IT to bugzilla.mozilla.org and use a summary similar to "bookmarks missing after update, without restarting." As far as we know this doesn't occur without a restart, so if it is happening we'll want to know ASAP.
What happens is the os is terminating firefox before it is done writing to some files. These files then become corrupt and all the data is gone. Most of the files that can be affected don't hold crucial data, but this is why 1.5 had bookmark backups implemented. The corrupted file needs to be deleted and Firefox will replace it with a new one.
If your search plugins are missing and you can't add new bookmarks, or your toolbar customizations keep resetting on start, your localstore.rdf is corrupt: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Localstore.rdf this article explains how to reset it.
To restore your bookmarks, read this article: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Lost_bookmarks . If you restore with a backup but the bookmarks are still missing, try restoring from an earlier backup as firefox has backed up since the corruption.
Post by: Cobra951 on Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 03:01:25 PM
There was some interesting info about problems people have been having with bookmarks though (I think it was even mentioned on here somewhere - edit: yep (http://www.overwritten.net/forum/index.php?topic=411.0)):
Yeah, it's a case where someone should be tarred and feathered for coding stupidity. At no time should persistent data in a program be at risk of disappearing should file I/O get interrupted. It should always be in a safe state. One way to do this is to write all updates to a new file, then delete the old file and rename the new, after all writes are done. Any interruptions can be recovered from later, by the same software, because it will know, given the files left behind and their names, at what point the interruption occurred. Any half-written or corrupt files can be thrown out, and the failsafe can be brought back. Al that would be lost is changes in the most recent session.
Post by: scottws on Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 03:08:36 PM
Post by: ScaryTooth on Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 04:26:38 PM
This thing is dope. I love how it underlines mispelled words! See it underlined misspelled for me. Very cool.
Interface is looking good too.
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 04:59:31 PM
Post by: scottws on Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 08:37:40 PM
I like the old Home icon a lot more though. And the new Ad-Block Plus icon draws too much attention to itself.
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 09:12:42 PM
What?? It thinks "colour" with "ou" is misspelled! The Bastards!
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 09:15:32 PM
Post by: idolminds on Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 12:01:19 AM
I have a couple news feeds I like to check. Or, would have liked to check. I could never find a feed reader that behaved how I wanted.
For example, I like checking the Makezine and Craftzine blogs. They have cool things to do and make, so I like reading the pages. The problem for me is the pages have quite a few images that take ages to load. Pain in the ass. So I looked at feed readers.
I kind of ruled out stand alone readers, they all look like email apps. Plus I'm going to open the links in the browser anyway, it'd be nice if it was all done in the browser itself.
So I looked at the firefox extensions. Everyone raves about Sage, so I gave it a whirl. Didn't care for it. One of the major problems is...it loaded all the images from the feeds! Thats what I wanted to get away from! Gah. Otherwise it was pretty nice. I tried a few others and gave up on them for similar reasons.
Oh yeah, I also tried Google Reader. It would have been a great solution...except the image loading thing. I wanted all the news to start collapsed, all you see is the title and maybe a small section of the main text. Then when I expand it, it could open the full text and load any images. It didnt do that...it loaded everything including images no matter what, and I couldn't find an option to change it.
Then I tried the Live Bookmarks feature built in to FF. Its pretty much the best thing I've tried. It just loads the headline, I can click em and it takes me to the individual stories page, so I'm only loading images for that story. I got an addon called LiveClick, and it allows you to easily go to the feeds main site, marks stories as read/unread, etc. Nice little addition.
...hooray firefox and live bookmarks!
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 03:30:53 AM
I guess it only does American libraries at this point.I check the Language options, and I removed the 'English (US)' and added 'English (UK)' but it still thinks "colour" is a spelling error. Bah! They'll fix it soon!
Post by: scottws on Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 04:34:33 AM
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 06:31:02 AM
Post by: scottws on Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 07:00:28 AM
For me, I see the buttons from the toolbar appear in the tab.
Edit: Wow... it's not just the buttons. Seems like practically anything can get attached to the tab bar.
Post by: WindAndConfusion on Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 11:10:28 AM
In general I actually like the old icons a lot more :P The colours were much more vibrant.Try the British (http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html) version.
What?? It thinks "colour" with "ou" is misspelled! The Bastards!
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 04:56:12 PM
Noticed another bug. Open two tabs. Make the second tab the active one. Now move your mouse back and forth between (just hover, don't click) the reload button and the first tab.I can't reproduce that error.. BugZilla it and see what they tell you ;D
For me, I see the buttons from the toolbar appear in the tab.
Edit: Wow... it's not just the buttons. Seems like practically anything can get attached to the tab bar.
Thanks Wind, I'll give that a shot. Otherwise I think I'll just switch off the spell-checker, at least until they resolve it.
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 05:07:47 PM
Post by: Ghandi on Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 05:13:02 PM
:-[
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 10:35:19 PM
The easy way to fix it is to spell it the normal way to begin with. ;DOh ha ha :P "Colour" is the "normal" way! Same with flavour, neighbour, honour, armour, and favourite! And I don't believe that some people spell it "tonite," it's "tonight!" And "humongous" is not a real word!
:-[
Post by: WindAndConfusion on Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 11:04:18 PM
God damn heathen Yankees and the horrour of there spelling!
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 11:53:05 PM
Right-click on a multi-line text box, go to Languages and click on "Add Dictionary" then close Firefox. When you restart make sure the dictionary you want is checked and selected.
Haha, Wind you think regular Americanized grammar irritates me? Imagine how I feel about the rampant mispronunciations of Arabic names! I mean some are acceptable because they contain letters which non-arabic speakers cannot pronounce (i.e. Ali, Mohammed, and all the Abduls). But a lot of people mispronounce my name: Karim. Which resulted in several nicknames for me i.e. Kreme, and many, many more.
English is an inferior language anyway. It's unnecessarily abstract, ambiguous, lacking words, and every rule has more exceptions than the actual words the rules were made for! Oddly enough that makes it a great language for universal communication.
Hehe it doesn't irritate me at all actually :P It's kinda cool how language deviates and varies from region to region :D Linguistics are awesome! ;D
Post by: scottws on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 04:33:52 AM
Post by: Xessive on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 05:02:22 AM
It's funny, in Arabic (and Français & Español as well) it makes perfect sense when I refer to the table as 'she' and it sounds normal, but in English it sounds like I have an unnatural attachment to it; like there's no reason to personify the table :P
Post by: scottws on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 05:17:04 AM
Post by: scottws on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 05:49:08 AM
Post by: Cobra951 on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 06:01:37 AM
All languages are dumb in their own way. For instance, in the Romance languages, what the hell is the point of gender and why does the gender of everything have to match in a sentence? And cases... same thing there. Cases have to match to an extent in English too, but only for the nouns and verbs, not for nearly every word in the sentence.
I like what Xessive said. English seems confined by doing away with genders. Gender attached to all nouns is natural, and enhances communication. Feature-rich grammar helps expression too, even though learning it might be a bitch to a non-native.
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Good news, they replied and here's how to fix it:
Right-click on a multi-line text box, go to Languages and click on "Add Dictionary" then close Firefox. When you restart make sure the dictionary you want is checked and selected.
That's not fixing it. That's finishing the work they neglected to complete. Adding words to the dictionary should only be necessary for your own special words, maybe technical terms or such.
Post by: Quemaqua on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 07:01:59 AM
Anyway... I think gender is also rather useless. It does indeed add an interesting array of options to the language, but it's one of those things that really doesn't add much if the language is complex enough. You can achieve the same things without it, at least in English.
Post by: Xessive on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 12:59:21 PM
I like what Xessive said. English seems confined by doing away with genders. Gender attached to all nouns is natural, and enhances communication. Feature-rich grammar helps expression too, even though learning it might be a bitch to a non-native.
That's not fixing it. That's finishing the work they neglected to complete. Adding words to the dictionary should only be necessary for your own special words, maybe technical terms or such.
Yeah, it's more like a temp work-around. Either way it considers "colour" correct now :P
Speaking on languages, I think any language achieves any beauty because we make it so. I don't know about anyone else whose English is not their first language, but in my case it's much easier to express feelings in Arabic, French, or Spanish. English is pretty cut 'n dry, but we still made poetry with it and added creativity to its use :P
Post by: WindAndConfusion on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 03:32:03 PM
Read the instructions more carefully. This is how you add the English-UK dictionary: right-click on a word in a multi-line text box, highlight Languages and click on Add dictionaries... in the sub-menu. A new page loads. Find the language you want, click "install," follow the dialogues after waiting for the "OK" button to appear, and restart Firefox after the download finishes.QuoteRight-click on a multi-line text box, go to Languages and click on "Add Dictionary" then close Firefox. When you restart make sure the dictionary you want is checked and selected.That's not fixing it. That's finishing the work they neglected to complete. Adding words to the dictionary should only be necessary for your own special words, maybe technical terms or such.
Open Firefox, right-click on a multi-line text box, and select English / United Kingdom.
The UK dictionary recognizes colour but not color, and curiously not "Firefox."
Post by: Xessive on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 03:46:05 PM
That's not fixing it. That's finishing the work they neglected to complete. Adding words to the dictionary should only be necessary for your own special words, maybe technical terms or such.Yep, sorry I was a little inaccurate :P
Read the instructions more carefully. This is how you add the English-UK dictionary: right-click on a word in a multi-line text box, highlight Languages and click on Add dictionaries... in the sub-menu. A new page loads. Find the language you want, click "install," follow the dialogues after waiting for the "OK" button to appear, and restart Firefox after the download finishes.
Open Firefox, right-click on a multi-line text box, and select English / United Kingdom.
The UK dictionary recognizes colour but not color, and curiously not "Firefox."
I wish they had the option of using both dictionaries or adding words to the dictionary. Like making a custom dictionary.
Post by: WindAndConfusion on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 03:51:14 PM
Post by: Xessive on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 04:58:14 PM
To add a word to the dictionary, just right-click on a misspelled word - "Add to Dictionary" will be towards the top, below the closest matches.Cool, thanks Wind :D
Post by: scottws on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 05:40:35 PM
Post by: Ace_O_Spades on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 05:54:53 PM
Post by: Xessive on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 09:24:28 PM
I know this is the first iteration of the spell-checker, but that's exactly why it needs to be criticized.
Post by: Quemaqua on Thursday, October 26, 2006, 10:51:11 PM
Post by: Xessive on Friday, October 27, 2006, 12:31:52 AM
I don't see what the big deal is. It seems better than many spellcheckers in other programs I've seen. The one in OpenOffice.org is pretty shitty.I agree it is a very decent spell-checker. My comment was just that it could use a little tweaking and a few fixes (as with the majority of software).
Post by: WindAndConfusion on Friday, October 27, 2006, 11:46:24 AM
Post by: Xessive on Friday, October 27, 2006, 04:48:01 PM
Example: Make English / United Kingdom the default spell-check used by the English / United Kingdom spellcheck.That's one example :P Or at least in the UK installer!
Here's a weird little thing I found:
When I type etc. it considers "etc" (without the period) incorrect. So i right-click to see the options for a correct spelling, and "etc." is listed. I click it, it replaces "etc" and still considers it a spelling error. It also only replaces the "etc" without the period, making it "etc.."
Tiny little detail, but worth a note.
Post by: WindAndConfusion on Friday, October 27, 2006, 11:28:51 PM
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, October 28, 2006, 01:04:27 AM
A etc. etc.. etc..... ? It thinks they're all broken. Maybe you should get used to typing out et cetera, with or without the space but always with the italics, to make yourself look like you were of a lawyer's foul brood?Haha I'm not that anal :P
Post by: Cobra951 on Saturday, October 28, 2006, 05:54:20 AM
It doesn't force you to make changes, or make you wade through nag screens before you post "misspellings", does it? That would suck.
Post by: scottws on Saturday, October 28, 2006, 06:54:52 AM
Post by: Cobra951 on Saturday, October 28, 2006, 07:41:40 AM
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, October 28, 2006, 06:42:34 PM
I think GoogleTalk will have a spell-checker too.
Post by: Ghandi on Monday, October 30, 2006, 09:02:15 PM
Post by: Xessive on Monday, October 30, 2006, 10:33:34 PM
I think I know why it happens.. When you open a PDF in Firefox the focus shifts to the Acrobat toolbar that appears at the top.
Post by: WindAndConfusion on Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 12:24:14 AM
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 02:54:37 AM
Yeah, it's a focus problem. I think that, within Firefox, the focus follows your mouse. The issue also comes up with Flash and Java applets. It's especially annoying because it also steals the focus for my scroll wheel....Yeah the scroll wheel one is pretty annoying.
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 08:25:26 AM
Firefox always manages to stay one step ahead of IE.. I think it's mainly because Mozilla innovates while Microsoft imitates.
Post by: scottws on Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 10:09:18 AM
Internet Explorer 7 vs Firefox 2 (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6656808-1.html?tag=cnetfd.ld5)I can't get it to come up.
Firefox always manages to stay one step ahead of IE.. I think it's mainly because Mozilla innovates while Microsoft imitates.
But yeah, I agree. Microsoft doesn't seem to have a creative bone in its body. Nearly everything they have is basically an idea stole from someone else.
The only thing I give credit to Microsoft for is server integration. It is simply amazing how plug-and-play all their commercial server products are.
Post by: scottws on Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 12:27:52 PM
In any case, great article and I wholeheartedly agree.
I didn't know FF2 had a anti-phishing filter. It's kind of nebulous and not-well-explained. It is located in Tools | Options | Security and it's called "Tell me if the site I'm visiting is a suspected forgery." Then you have two options: to verify the site against Google or to use a downloaded list of suspect sites. It doesn't give you the option to update this downloaded list, to alter the frequency of this list's updates, or to load your own list so I don't know what's really going on there with that feature.
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 09:17:07 PM
Finally read the article by Remote Desktop-ing in to my home computer. The article was somehow blocked on the corporate network (which was weird since both www.cnet.com and reviews.cnet.com worked fine).Yeah, I liked the debate :D
In any case, great article and I wholeheartedly agree.
I didn't know FF2 had a anti-phishing filter. It's kind of nebulous and not-well-explained. It is located in Tools | Options | Security and it's called "Tell me if the site I'm visiting is a suspected forgery." Then you have two options: to verify the site against Google or to use a downloaded list of suspect sites. It doesn't give you the option to update this downloaded list, to alter the frequency of this list's updates, or to load your own list so I don't know what's really going on there with that feature.
I think Mozilla are addressing the anti-phishing section, and hopefully it will be clearer and more versatile in the coming updates.
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 06:18:56 AM
Winestripe (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3479/)
I just installed IE7 just to really experience it, and man Firefox wipes the floor with it. I mean sure IE7 is nicer than IE6, but it's still nothing compared to the mighty fox!
Post by: scottws on Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 10:07:14 AM
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 12:11:33 PM
I think the extra features of IE7 seem clunky. Like they were just hacked on almost as an afterthought.Yeah, and even though they've condensed the general interface they completely nullify that by making the tabs ridiculously bulky! The tabs are a lot thicker than they need to be. IE7 actually kinda feels like the old "MSN Explorer" (I don't know if anyone remembers, it was the one with MSN Messenger embedded in it). The more I analyze the interface the clearer it seems like a total rip of Firefox's principles.
I'll even take Flock (http://www.flock.com/) (which is based on Firefox) over IE anyday!