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Title: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: scottws on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 02:48:23 PM
And I'm pissed!

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Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Quemaqua on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 02:53:41 PM
I'm trying to remember how the first ending actually went, and that doesn't sound all that off.  Keep in mind that...

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Did the credits roll or did you "lose"?
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: scottws on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 03:02:05 PM
What is overtime mode?  The only option I had to start the game was 72-hour mode.

Yeah, I just read a guide and you only get overtime mode by

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Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Quemaqua on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 03:10:29 PM
Ah, well that's weak.  Overtime mode is awesome.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Cobra951 on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 03:17:45 PM
Anywhere on the helipad area is fine.  I don't think that's the problem.

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Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 03:34:41 PM
The more I hear about this game, the more it sounds gimmicky. I was hoping for a survival zombie game, and instead it just sounds like it has a lot of elements that take you away from the setting. I wouldn't expect any less from a console developer, but am I wrong? Do you guys think there are many instances that break the suspension of disbelief?

I am about to get a 360 for my bro, and will definitely play Dead Rising on it first, but a couple of things worry me. Here is the Gamespot review:

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/deadrising/review.html?sid=6155398

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The real-time structuring of Dead Rising has its unique qualities, but it doesn't always work particularly well. Specifically, the mission structure and the game's rather punishing save system simply don't get along with one another. Save points are scattered in a few specific spots throughout the mall, and you only get one save per storage device on the Xbox 360. Considering most people probably only have one storage device, that means one save for the whole game. The inherent problem with this is that because the game revolves so heavily on a rigid schedule for the case files, if you save yourself into a corner where you can't feasibly get to that next case file in time, you're screwed. All the case files are connected, and if you fail to get to one on time, the trail goes cold and you're unable to pick up any of the other story missions.

Interestingly enough, if this nightmare scenario happens, you can opt to save the game with Frank's current level and abilities intact and start the whole story over (which you'll basically have to do if you find yourself in this position anyway). Doing this does make it easier to bust through the parts you've already played, but it's still an obnoxious thing to have to deal with. By nature, having to be places on time is not an inherently fun thing. It's especially frustrating when the penalty for not being somewhere on time is the whole story mode ending and you having to start over from hopefully a close enough spot to eventually make it. Thankfully, Dead Rising turns out to be a game you'll want to play through multiple times. But potentially forcing players to replay sections because of an overly punishing save system is the polar opposite of fun.

That sounds insane. Have they released a patch?

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What's more, there are tons of bizarre and hilarious ways to use these objects. Say, for instance, you find a novelty mask inside a toy store. Rather than simply bludgeon a zombie to death with it, you can put it over its head and watch it stumble around blindly, completely unable to detect you. Find a jar of cooking oil inside a mall diner, and explode it onto the floor. Then toss a nearby severed arm into the thick of it, and watch the zombies slip and slide all over the place as they struggle for their meal. Frank's also got a number of truly insane hand-to-hand combat moves he can gain throughout the course of the game. From punching a zombie in the gut and disemboweling it with a single thrust to wacky wrestling moves like German suplexes and giant swings, odds are you've never combated the undead quite like this. It's very entertaining, and the combat controls make it a breeze to pull most all these moves off. The moves themselves are simplistic, and there are no combos or other complications to worry about. It's just about getting a weapon into your hand and pressing the right attack buttons to bludgeon, stab, or shoot away.

hahaha that sounds so crazy and awesome. Screw this, I want to play this now!!


Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Quemaqua on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 03:41:43 PM
I'm pretty much sick of defending the game.  It's awesome.  If you don't like it, your loss.  Just try it and find out.  It definitely has problems and is far from a perfect game, but the good stuff makes up for it.  That's about all I have the patience to say at this point.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Cobra951 on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 03:46:46 PM
The problem is that, unless you know in advance what you're getting into, you are going to be very frustrated by those things you quoted.  The game is made to be played repeatedly, as you level up.  It's sort of like Groundhog Day in that respect.  As you gain experience, you can address the requirements with better timing and understanding.

Having said that, the save system is definitely poor.  I'm lucky in that I have both the HDD and a memory card, so what I ended up doing is using the HDD for the safe saves (beginning of chapters, usually), and the memory card for the in-between saves.  That way, if I got stuck in a situation with not enough time left, I could go back to the safe save.  With the HDD or a memory card alone, you don't have this luxury.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 03:47:10 PM
I was actually seeking a more impartial opinion which is why I was asking Scottws and Cobra. The game is $65 here so that's why.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Cobra951 on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 03:50:50 PM
My opinion went from "this sucks!" to "I can't stop playing this!"  If you get past the multi-game learning curve, I think you will love it.  The one and and only gripe I have not been able to address is the constant accidental roll-forward moves.  Double tapping an omnidirectional analog joystick is not at all like double tapping left or right on a D-Pad.  Whoever came up with this mechanic needs to die a painful death.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Quemaqua on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 03:58:35 PM
I was actually seeking a more impartial opinion which is why I was asking Scottws and Cobra. The game is $65 here so that's why.

Well, the game is sixty bucks here, too.  Or at least it was when I picked it up.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 04:12:00 PM
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Well, the game is sixty bucks here, too.  Or at least it was when I picked it up.

What do you want me to say?  :o

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My opinion went from "this sucks!" to "I can't stop playing this!"  If you get past the multi-game learning curve, I think you will love it.  The one and and only gripe I have not been able to address is the constant accidental roll-forward moves.  Double tapping an omnidirectional analog joystick is not at all like double tapping left or right on a D-Pad.  Whoever came up with this mechanic needs to die a painful death.

Thanks for the info Cobra. The fun stuff described in the reviews certainly seems awesome. Hey does this have some split screen action?
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Quemaqua on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 04:20:55 PM
Don't want you to say anything.  I was just mentioning that it's pricey here as well, so you aren't alone in your fears of blowing money.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 04:33:22 PM
I know. The only reason I was seeking Cobra's and Scottw's opinion rather than yours isn't because I don't respect yours, because I do. It is because you are fond of the genre far more than I, and would thus be more willing to look past any flaws. Like for example if Diablo 3, Neverwinter Nights 3 or Civilization 5 came out, I'd be less impartial than some more neutral to those sort of games.

I already know where you stand on the game, and that's about all I know. Cobra and Scottws have both professed their love for the game as well as the frustrations it has caused them, so I was wondering how at the end of it all it stands.

It isn't that I am not a fan of the zombie theme. On the contrary, I love anything post apocalyptic, especially when it has something to do with zombies. I've seen Dawn of the Dead a gazillion times, and that scene shot from top of the mall where they show all those zombies going about just fascinates me.

My ideal zombie game would be very realistic, with humanity slowly being erased out. It would be a frightening, bleak and humorless game that would show how the last few humans are dealing with hopelessness. Actually it would be a lot like the first half of 28 days later, minus the stupid zombies.

Obviously this game isn't like that at all, but I was just thinking out loud there.

Anyway I will pick this up soon and let you guys know what I think. : )
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 05:10:51 PM
I know. The only reason I was seeking Cobra's and Scottw's opinion rather than yours isn't because I don't respect yours, because I do. It is because you are fond of the genre far more than I, and would thus be more willing to look past any flaws. Like for example if Diablo 3, Neverwinter Nights 3 or Civilization 5 came out, I'd be less impartial than some more neutral to those sort of games.
Oooooh @ NWN III.

Sounds good. :)
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: scottws on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 08:01:34 PM
I really like the game.  It's the best zombie game I've ever played by far, but it took me a long time to get over its flaws.

I initially ooked at the game more as a movie, a story about a town infected with zombies and your struggle to survive in it.  But I had to come to grips with the fact that it's a game, and has boss characters that would have no place in such a movie.

Once I got over it, I fell in love with the game.  It definitely one of the better games on the 360, and as I said before it is the best zombie game ever made IMO.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 08:02:16 PM
Damn....we really need a PC port of this one, Capcom....
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: scottws on Saturday, February 10, 2007, 11:33:19 PM
So yeah, I went back and used a glitch to be able to play the game with no required missions.  Now I have all the time in the world to complete zombie genocider.  Well, 72 hours anyway.

I realized though that I'm going to have to go back again and get the unbreakable and punisher achievements too, so I can complete the Mega Man outfit.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Cobra951 on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 02:47:03 AM
So yeah, I went back and used a glitch to be able to play the game with no required missions.

 :o  Had not heard about that one.

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Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: scottws on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 07:52:18 AM
:o  Had not heard about that one.

Yeah, it's a glitch.  Here's the explaination/how it's done.

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Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 07:57:06 AM
Interesting....
...So, is Capcom gonna patch that glitch up???

Or are they gonna let it stick just like the "font" issue that needed patching, but they decided they just won't patch???
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: scottws on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 08:21:31 AM
I wouldn't think they'd patch it up as the only way you'd really experience it is if you purposely waste a bunch of time at the beginning.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 09:38:55 AM
I wouldn't think they'd patch it up as the only way you'd really experience it is if you purposely waste a bunch of time at the beginning.
Ah, I see.....

...But, it's still an exploit...
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: scottws on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 10:54:55 AM
So what.  It's not like it's a multiplayer game.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 11:06:31 AM
So what.  It's not like it's a multiplayer game.
Point taken...

...But it's still a bug. :P
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 11:18:16 AM
Nobody cares.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 01:35:06 PM
Nobody cares.

Oh well....
 
+1 post....

 ;D
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Cobra951 on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 02:31:09 PM
Yeah, it's a glitch.  Here's the explaination/how it's done.

. . .

Wow.  I'm going to have to try that for the hell of it.  I'll take any excuse I find to get back into DR.   :)
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 06:49:10 PM
Damn you all.....

All this DR talk, I want a PC port like....NOW!
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: scottws on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 07:23:36 PM
Don't hold your breath.  Capcom doens't do PC ports, do they?
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: iPPi on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 07:41:35 PM
I tried the demo for this game and wasn't too impressed with it.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 09:33:09 PM
Don't hold your breath.  Capcom doens't do PC ports, do they?

Res Evil 4 is bound for official release on the PC VERY SOON.

The newest Devil May Cry is at stores for the PC...
What is it? DMC3? Or 4?


Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Sunday, February 11, 2007, 10:48:03 PM
Res Evil 4 is bound for official release on the PC VERY SOON.

The newest Devil May Cry is at stores for the PC...
What is it? DMC3? Or 4?

The newest is DMC 3, DMC4 is coming out PS3 sometime this year.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Pugnate on Monday, February 12, 2007, 01:23:17 AM
I enjoyed RE4 for all the twenty minutes that I tried it, but really couldn't go much further. I need motivation to revisit it.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Quemaqua on Monday, February 12, 2007, 01:34:33 AM
I was tempted to get DMC3 for PC.  It's like twenty bucks and I'd totally play it on my nice monitor and stuff.  But I haven't read a review of the PC version yet, so I held off.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: TheOtherBelmont on Monday, February 12, 2007, 01:36:09 AM
I was tempted to get DMC3 for PC.  It's like twenty bucks and I'd totally play it on my nice monitor and stuff.  But I haven't read a review of the PC version yet, so I held off.

Sorry to derail the thread more, but if you don't own any of the Devil May Cry games at all you can pick up a 3 pack of all three games on PS2 for $30 and it has the special edition of DMC3 where you can play as Dante's brother Vergil.  Yeah, the second game sucked, but you'll have the other two.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Quemaqua on Monday, February 12, 2007, 01:38:12 AM
Oh, I already own all of them.  Well, not 2, but 1 and 3.  I just wouldn't mind having 3 on my PC.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: scottws on Monday, February 12, 2007, 05:37:53 AM
I hated DMC.  I sold it back to EB Games within a week.  It was one of the few games I ever sold back as used.


Res Evil 4 is bound for official release on the PC VERY SOON.

The newest Devil May Cry is at stores for the PC...
What is it? DMC3? Or 4?
Well, on that kind of schedule then I guess you'll be waiting another 3 years or so before you see a Dead Rising port on the PC, if one is ever made.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: iPPi on Monday, February 12, 2007, 10:07:22 PM
I enjoyed RE4 for all the twenty minutes that I tried it, but really couldn't go much further. I need motivation to revisit it.

Zomg you need to play more RE4.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Pugnate on Monday, February 12, 2007, 10:49:40 PM
Tell me why I need to play it more.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: iPPi on Monday, February 12, 2007, 10:52:19 PM
The game is a little frustrating and slow to start, but it really picks up and is an amazing game.  Just give it some time.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Pugnate on Monday, February 12, 2007, 10:53:43 PM
No I really enjoyed what I played. Zombies were awesome. I just need more motivation hehe.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Cobra951 on Tuesday, February 13, 2007, 01:41:29 AM
So yeah, I went back and used a glitch to be able to play the game with no required missions.  Now I have all the time in the world to complete zombie genocider.  Well, 72 hours anyway.

I realized though that I'm going to have to go back again and get the unbreakable and punisher achievements too, so I can complete the Mega Man outfit.

I tried this tonight.  I swear all that's happening is that you're failing the mission sequence right off the bat, without being told about it.  During normal play (in 72-hout mode) if you miss a timed event, or a key character gets killed, the mission and all subsequent ones expire.  They go to red in the case book.  At that point, you are offered the chance to save and start over, but you don't have to take it.  You can keep playing free-form until the helicopter arrives.  With this glitch, the game is behaving exactly that way.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: scottws on Tuesday, February 13, 2007, 10:20:08 AM
Really?  I thought you lost if you didn't finish the mission.  That's the way it's kind of presented.  I had no idea you could continue playing.

What you say does make sense.  We could really nail it down if we know when you had to finish "Backup for Brad" by.  Like I said, it took me about 13 hours to kill 600 zombies.

What I'm wondering now is if you can get outside the mall though.  If you go to the front where the zombies are coming in, you can go into in-between-the-front-doors area.  At the front front doors there is a metal gate that has a big hole in it the zombies are coming through, with the parking lot and more zombies just beyond.

I didn't try it because I didn't want to risk dying when I was trying to kill 600 zombies.  I doubt you can though, probably an invisible wall.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Cobra951 on Tuesday, February 13, 2007, 04:09:22 PM
Really?  I thought you lost if you didn't finish the mission.  That's the way it's kind of presented.  I had no idea you could continue playing.

Same here, initially.  I forget how I found out I could continue.  I may have read it in someone's comment on some forum, somewhere.

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What you say does make sense.  We could really nail it down if we know when you had to finish "Backup for Brad" by.  Like I said, it took me about 13 hours to kill 600 zombies.

What I'm wondering now is if you can get outside the mall though.  If you go to the front where the zombies are coming in, you can go into in-between-the-front-doors area.  At the front front doors there is a metal gate that has a big hole in it the zombies are coming through, with the parking lot and more zombies just beyond.

I didn't try it because I didn't want to risk dying when I was trying to kill 600 zombies.  I doubt you can though, probably an invisible wall.

I don't think you can either.  I tried.  You can blast some zombies outside through the opening (if you have the Mega Buster), which gives the impression that it's a real part of the world, and you should be able to get there.  Not so, apparently.

I had the Mega Buster and the laser sword (5-day survivor in infinity mode achievement), so I killed 600 zombies a lot quicker than 13 game hours.  Same result.  Should have paid attention to the clock, but I didn't.
Title: Re: Finished Dead Rising
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, February 13, 2007, 07:58:58 PM
I was very disappointed that you couldn't get into the parking lot.  I have no idea why I wanted to kill zombies in a big parking lot so bad, but I really did.