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Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Pugnate on Tuesday, May 22, 2007, 01:09:35 AM
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Croatia too dangerous for 'gangsta' rapper
Gangsta rapper Nas has called off a gig in Croatia because he's worried the country is "too dangerous".
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Gangsta rapper Nas won't go to Croatia /PA Photos
Croatia has become popular with tourists again after the end of the war of independence in 1995.
Organisers of a concert on June 3 in the capital Zagreb say they've tried and failed to talk Nas out of pulling out.
But the rapper insists it's "too dangerous", local media reported.
A spokesman for Croatian label Aquarius Records which was helping organise his performance said: "We did our best to assure Nas that Croatia was not dangerous.
"We told his management that James Brown, Pink, the Rolling Stones, Public Enemy and others had performed in Zagreb and had no problems.
"But he has not changed his mind. We have no idea why Nas is so afraid of coming to Croatia."
I wish all 'gangsta rappers' would die horrible deaths.
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in other news - WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING ON HIS NECK? how much did it cost him, and does he actually think it looks good?
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Dude, this is the rap culture. The bigger the bling, the higher the street cred. Its the most retarded social acceptance rules known to man.
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Dude, this is the rap culture. The bigger the bling, the higher the street cred. Its the most retarded social acceptance rules known to man.
i get that (well i think it's stupid), but this looks like gift shop souvenir attached to a curtain rope. it's possibly the tackiest thing i've ever seen. definitely top ten.
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Actually, if there is any rapper I respect, it is Nas. He is against the gangsta thing. All his messages that I've heard are positive and encouraging. In most of his songs, it's like he's lecturing black youth to rise above it all.
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i get that (well i think it's stupid), but this looks like gift shop souvenir attached to a curtain rope. it's possibly the tackiest thing i've ever seen. definitely top ten.
haha it looks like something you'd find in a cheap souvenir shop in Egypt.
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Actually, if there is any rapper I respect, it is Nas. He is against the gangsta thing. All his messages that I've heard are positive and encouraging. In most of his songs, it's like he's lecturing black youth to rise above it all.
actually what i've heard of nas, i think is alright (and i'm really not big on rap). but the chain...
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Yeah, song content aside... yeesh. I mean, I guess all subcultures have their own weird things, it just seems like hip hop culture makes the least sense. There's no rhyme or reason to it, really, unless you want to take the obvious and just realize that it's based entirely on materialism, greed, and self. But no, nobody wants to admit to that, or admit that 90% of it is slowly destroying the people that follow it like it destroyed the far more positive black cultures that came before it.
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Actually, if there is any rapper I respect, it is Nas. He is against the gangsta thing. All his messages that I've heard are positive and encouraging. In most of his songs, it's like he's lecturing black youth to rise above it all.
Yeah, he is actually one of the few rappers that I enjoy. That thing on the chain is ridiculous, though. It's almost as big as his head!
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Then why is he wimping out? How does someone who's afraid of Croatia fit into this picture? I'm surprised no one has asked the question, not that I really care that much. (See Que's post.)
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Interesting. I just watched an episode of Three Sheets that took place in Croatia. I was left with the impression that it would be an extremely cool place to visit.
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First of all, Nas is not a "gansta rapper". Anyone who has taken the time to actually listen to his songs without writing him off would know this.
Secondly, I hate how so many people hate rappers just because they like rock. Rap and rock are about the same things: sex, drugs and rock n' rock/rap, why is it that rock doesn't get blamed for some white kid that shoots up his school anymore? Why is rap blamed for everything negative that happens in the black community, but rock isn't contributed to anything?
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I think you're deluding yourself. Rock still gets blamed for plenty of shit. In fact, it has traditionally been a far more controversial form of music than rap or hip hop. It's just been around longer and people are used to it. It's only *somewhat* recently that hip hop has become an absolute juggernaut in the music scene.
And guess what? Probably 90% of what I listen to has nothing at all to do with sex or drugs, and I've been listening to rock and metal since I was a shrimp. Most of my music is emotional, philosophical, or religious (not necessarily Christian, either) in nature. Or just plain pissed off. Some of it is political as well. I certainly wouldn't say there aren't elements of that in rap and hip hop too, they just aren't things that even remotely come close to defining it as a genre. Like you said, sex and drugs fills that role (or bitches and money... whatever).
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I think you're deluding yourself. Rock still gets blamed for plenty of shit. In fact, it has traditionally been a far more controversial form of music than rap or hip hop. It's just been around longer and people are used to it. It's only *somewhat* recently that hip hop has become an absolute juggernaut in the music scene.
And guess what? Probably 90% of what I listen to has nothing at all to do with sex or drugs, and I've been listening to rock and metal since I was a shrimp. Most of my music is emotional, philosophical, or religious (not necessarily Christian, either) in nature. Or just plain pissed off. Some of it is political as well. I certainly wouldn't say there aren't elements of that in rap and hip hop too, they just aren't things that even remotely come close to defining it as a genre. Like you said, sex and drugs fills that role (or bitches and money... whatever).
You're kidding right? The only thing rock has had to deal with was the PMRC 20 years ago and all they wanted to do was put "Parental Advisory" on CDs. Rap had to go through the same thing, but I'm dame positive that no rock album has ever been illegal to sell in stores, unlike rap.
You also say rap isn't political, emotional, philosophical, etc, but you also said that you don't understand it. I would also believe that means that you don't listen to it, I think you're making an assumption from what the media is spoon feeding you.
Rock wasn't even considered decadent until white kids starting listening to it back in the 50's. Same thing as rap, rap wasn't considered a threat until it started topping the charts and white kids started picking it up. Once that happened, it was no longer something "those black people did where we couldn't see them".
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You're kidding right? The only thing rock has had to deal with was the PMRC 20 years ago and all they wanted to do was put "Parental Advisory" on CDs. Rap had to go through the same thing, but I'm dame positive that no rock album has ever been illegal to sell in stores, unlike rap.
What rap CDs were illegal to sell? There's a difference between being illegal to sell and a store just refusing to sell it. Also are we talking about the United States or other countries? Also Que listens to some rap if I'm not mistaken. Also rap might have gotten more shit when the charts started topping but it had nothing to do with "white kids starting to pick it up". I don't get why you say rock isn't blamed for when "a white kid goes into his school and shoots everyone", Marilyn Manson and several other groups got turned into scapegoats after the Columbine shootings.
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What rap CDs were illegal to sell? There's a difference between being illegal to sell and a store just refusing to sell it. Also are we talking about the United States or other countries? Also Que listens to some rap if I'm not mistaken. Also rap might have gotten more shit when the charts started topping but it had nothing to do with "white kids starting to pick it up". I don't get why you say rock isn't blamed for when "a white kid goes into his school and shoots everyone", Marilyn Manson and several other groups got turned into scapegoats after the Columbine shootings.
2 Live Crew's "As Nasty As I Wanna Be" was called "legally obscene" and was declared illegal to sell in parts of Florida. I can't think of any rock album that has ever happened to...
The Columbine shooters' rampage was also blamed on being teased, K-Mart, Doom, and shitty parenting. Next to the shitty parenting, Manson took the least amount of heat. Besides, this is one case, rap is being connected to everything negative in the black community. Do you all think that blacks are that weak minded?
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There has been loads of albums banned from certain parts of the U.S. just like the 2 Live Crew album. When you said illegal I was thinking in all of the US. Off the top of my head I can think of several Cannibal Corpse albums and Marilyn Manson albums have been banned in Kentucky and a couple of other states that I can't think of at the moment, but it was mostly in small areas, like the 2 Live Crew album. There was a kid in New Braunfels (a town about 30-45 mins away from me) that got arrested for wearing a Marilyn Manson because it was considered "public obscenity". I think you are deluding yourself if you think rap gets more flak than rock, they both have had their equal share of being scapegoats.
I also think there's an equal amount of shitty music in the gangster/hip-hop subculture and the recent nu-metal/rock subculture. That being said, there seems to be a lot more glorification of "materialism, greed, and self" like Que said, in the gangster rap/hip-hop subculture than there is in rock, at least currently. I myself like a small amount of rap (Deltron 3030 is probably my favorite rap album), but its mostly artists that don't sing the same redundant shit over and over again about how big their dicks are, how many hoes they have, how much bling they wear, etc. Most of the rap artists I consider shitty isn't all due to song content, some of it has to do with the repetitive beats and just flat out mediocrity of the songs, but that's just my personal taste.
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the would would be a whole lot better if everyone just listened to some bluegrass and jazz
that stuff just makes you want to relax and lie back.
thats all i have to say about that
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Nick, you obviously know next to nothing about music in general, no offense to you personally. Half of what you said is dead wrong and can be easily disproven by just searching around the internet for five seconds. Rock and metal albums have been banned all over the world, let alone just in the US, and they've gone through a hell of a lot more than just the PMRC. You also apparently didn't read what I said, because I said that obviously there is stuff in rap that's emotional, political, religious, etc., it just isn't the kind of thing that really defines the genre at all. Rock and, particularly, metal are much more divided by sub-genres. Rap has a few, but probably a fifteenth of what metal's got, and a lot of metal's sub-genres are very focused on specific topics, many of which are entirely inoffensive.
And I've been listening to rap for years. My best friend and I grew up in fucking Richmond and Oakland in the 80s, man. I was surrounded by it. It defined much of what I dealt with in school when I was a kid, and it was the only in I had with most of the kids. No, I don't listen to a lot of it anymore, and that's because I think a lot of the people producing it now are talentless hacks, but I still have some albums that I go back to. I seem to recall gpw and I having a few discussions about some old-school shit like Tribe Called Quest.
And no, obviously no music was considered threatening until it became popular, because nobody paid any attention to it. Then it gets big, people hear what it's about, and they get curious. And when people hear rap, they don't hear anything noble or worthy. They hear greed and the lust for dominance more than anything else. Sure, there are MCs who don't go down that road, and there are songs with decent messages out there, but they aren't the loudest voices and are in a very small minority compared to the rest of it. Just look at the landscape. And why do I dis the shitty culture black youths are following? Because it's garbage. Why do I lay blame at the feet of the music? Because it propagates it. It's the disease producing more of the disease.
Don't let that make you think I don't find fault in other cultures and other forms of music, even those I love. I take issue with many of the fucking punks that listen to metal and try to abuse it. I take issue with talentless nu metal bands and their ilk for their worthless music and lack of insight. I take issue with bands that have serious satanic messages or that promote real violence, the burning of churches, etc. I know their music because I'm a musician and I know a lot of music, but that doesn't mean I support those acts.
Anyway, don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, because that's not going to fly.
And yes, Keebs, I'm also a huge jazz fan. I've made a few attempts to convert Pyro to the cause. Maybe you can assist me. I want to get him an Art Blakey album for his birthday, but I can't remember what he thought of the last album I got him (Brubeck). Never been much a fan of bluegrass, though, so you're on your own there.
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This has nothing to do with what I see on TV or in the media, but with what I have seen with my own eyes. You know what I think of when rap music comes to mind?
First I feel a thumping vibration from the ground, then I hear it and realize it's a car about a block away. As the car gets closer, I start to hear actual lyrics. "Bitch ass hoes", "bust a cap in a muthafucka", "catch a beatdown, nigga", "bitches and benjamins", "bling bling", "I made tha bitch suck mah dick". The car pulls up and parks and some guys get out. Their hats are on sideways with the bill still stiff and flat, like they don't realize it looks stupid. They're pants hang around their knees, they walk with a limp, and they wear a giant "diamond" earring they stole from their mom's costume jewelry collection. They throw up pseudo gang signs, wether they think it means something or not, just because they think it looks cool.
That is rap to me. It's about an image that says you're the shit. Why are you the shit? Because you fuck whatever women you want, and you treat them like shit. Because you have money. Because you can't dress yourself. Because you have a quarter-sized jewel hanging off your ear and a 10 pound gold necklace. Because you have so damn much money that you put gold and platinum in your mouth, even though you had perfect teeth.
Who the hell decided all that shit was cool?
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Ok, lets say for the sake of the argument, that everything about the Marilyn Manson thing is true. Thats only one rock group to blame and no one blames rock for that, they blame Marilyn Manson. Rap as a whole is grouped together, just like so many of you have done in this thread.
Of course this is just another subject where I'm just wasting my breath.
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Maybe that's because 90% of what you say is uninformed and irrelevant, not to mention arrogant in the extreme despite the fact that evidence rarely supports any of your opinions. Just maybe.
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First I feel a thumping vibration from the ground, then I hear it and realize it's a car about a block away. As the car gets closer, I start to hear actual lyrics. "Bitch ass hoes", "bust a cap in a muthafucka", "catch a beatdown, nigga", "bitches and benjamins", "bling bling", "I made tha bitch suck mah dick". The car pulls up and parks and some guys get out. Their hats are on sideways with the bill still stiff and flat, like they don't realize it looks stupid. They're pants hang around their knees, they walk with a limp, and they wear a giant "diamond" earring they stole from their mom's costume jewelry collection. They throw up pseudo gang signs, wether they think it means something or not, just because they think it looks cool.
haha you know what I think when I see those guys? I think they should spend one week in a third world country to get straightened out.
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Maybe that's because 90% of what you say is uninformed and irrelevant, not to mention arrogant in the extreme despite the fact that evidence rarely supports any of your opinions. Just maybe.
Where is your evidence? Oh yeah, you once sped through Richmond with your doors locked back in 1989...ok.
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you guys all need to simma down
rap music will be the downfall of society. It's actually the "gangster" image that is destroying us but 90% of rap music is focused on that. It does not take a rocket scientist to see this- one needs only to open his eyes and watch MTV for like 3 minutes.
Que- if you want to bring someone into jazz then you have to go with the classics dude. "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis is the jazz album for people who don't know about jazz and if they like that then you can move them on to other stuff.
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Rap as a whole is grouped together, just like so many of you have done in this thread.
Are you even reading what anyone else is saying? Que and I have both stated that we listen to some rap and we have both said in some way or another that not all rap is the shitty gangster rap that we both dislike. If you want to start pointing fingers about how we "group things together", I can play the blame game too, in an earlier post you assumed that we were in the category of "how so many people hate rappers just because they like rock." when that was just a blind assumption you made about people here, you don't know that all we listen to is rock, I know that most people here listen to a variety of music. You are just grouping us together because we don't agree with you and your views on rap music.
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Shoot Em Up (http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Shoot-'Em-Up-lyrics-Nas/6A160F395E62FB8F482568B9002E6F71) is the one song I've heard by Nas. How is this being above the whole gangster thing? I know I'm just judging based off one song, but still.
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What I learned from this thread:
Rap is "black" music.
Rock is "white" music.
If you're white, you listen to rock and don't like rap.
If you listen to rock and not rap, you're white.
If you don't like rap you are a racist.
If you're white, then you must be racist too.
Rock is immune to ridicule and scorn.
Bitches like to be called hoes, and they love your bling and your gat.
Black power! Down with Whitey!
Rap music, in general, is complete shit. It's about greed and power, and almost never anything else. You know why I think it's spreading across America like a fucking plague? It's politically incorrect to be racist, and rap is automatically assiciated with black people. So people won't do anything to stop it, for fear of being called a racist.
Here's an example:
A white guy calls a black guy a stupid ass bitch, and the black guy attacks the white guy with a lead pipe and beats the living shit out of him in the middle of the street.
"He taught that white boy a lesson"
A black guy calls a white guy a stupid ass bitch, and the white guy attacks the black guy with a lead pipe and beats the living shit out of him in the middle of the street.
"Hate crime! He's a racist! Lock him up for life!"
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Are you even reading what anyone else is saying? Que and I have both stated that we listen to some rap and we have both said in some way or another that not all rap is the shitty gangster rap that we both dislike. If you want to start pointing fingers about how we "group things together", I can play the blame game too, in an earlier post you assumed that we were in the category of "how so many people hate rappers just because they like rock." when that was just a blind assumption you made about people here, you don't know that all we listen to is rock, I know that most people here listen to a variety of music. You are just grouping us together because we don't agree with you and your views on rap music.
I'm grouping you together because you are all saying the same thing. Its easy to say you listen to rap, technically I can say that I listen to country western. I dunno, I'm seeing a lot of hypocritical stuff in this thread and I'm the one being made out as the bad guy. First everyone says they hate rap, then everyone say they don't hate rap, then they only hate 90% of rap ( I keep seeing 90%, if you're going to give an answer go all the way and cut the bullshit).
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What I learned from this thread:
Rap is "black" music.
Rock is "white" music.
If you're white, you listen to rock and don't like rap.
If you listen to rock and not rap, you're white.
If you don't like rap you are a racist.
If you're white, then you must be racist too.
Rock is immune to ridicule and scorn.
Bitches like to be called hoes, and they love your bling and your gat.
Black power! Down with Whitey!
Rap music, in general, is complete shit. It's about greed and power, and almost never anything else. You know why I think it's spreading across America like a fucking plague? It's politically incorrect to be racist, and rap is automatically assiciated with black people. So people won't do anything to stop it, for fear of being called a racist.
Here's an example:
A white guy calls a black guy a stupid ass bitch, and the black guy attacks the white guy with a lead pipe and beats the living shit out of him in the middle of the street.
"He taught that white boy a lesson"
A black guy calls a white guy a stupid ass bitch, and the white guy attacks the black guy with a lead pipe and beats the living shit out of him in the middle of the street.
"Hate crime! He's a racist! Lock him up for life!"
It's just music. That's all it is. To your ears it may not be music, but really, there's nothing more to it. These racial associations are bullshit too. Rap is popular music, even pre-pubescent white girls who don't understand half of what's being said listen to it.
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There are people who will group all rap into the same box, or trash can. Take for instance, me. I know that part of my problem is that I'm too old to warm up to something so radically different. But I'm convinced that's not all there is to it. I've discovered plenty of world music after I became an adult, and I liked it just fine. I simply have some minimum requirements. Just like I don't consider puking on a canvas art, I don't agree that speaking rhythmically to a plaster-cracking beat is music. Red Green said his definition of art is, if he can do it, it's not art. With some intense practice, I'm sure I can do rap. I'll never ever be able to sing, or play an instrument, or do any music of any kind.
I don't mean to say that I can't see the difference between the thug values of gangsta crap and more benign rhythmic jawing. I just won't listen long enough to recognize which kind of unwelcome noise is invading my atmosphere.
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It's just music. That's all it is. To your ears it may not be music, but really, there's nothing more to it. These racial associations are bullshit too. Rap is popular music, even pre-pubescent white girls who don't understand half of what's being said listen to it.
Well, I was being sarcastic. I know it's just music, but if you don't like it and you say somethign about it, you'll probably be labelled racist. This thread started out as laughing at some dumbass thug who thinks he's tough, but is scared shitless to go to Croatia. We laugh at him, so we're labelled as racist.
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When were you labelled as racist? In this thread Nick started the whole rap-black connotation but as far as I can see he didn't call anyone racist.
and cobra, music and art don't have to go hand in hand. You can probably whistle a tune, and that would be music. But nobody is about to call that simple little melody a work of art. A lot of rap is shit and doesn't approach anything I'd call art, but it's still music.
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Holy shit Cobra, you watch Red Green? I love that show and it seems like no one else has ever heard of it.
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There are people who will group all rap into the same box, or trash can. Take for instance, me. I know that part of my problem is that I'm too old to warm up to something so radically different. But I'm convinced that's not all there is to it. I've discovered plenty of world music after I became an adult, and I liked it just fine. I simply have some minimum requirements. Just like I don't consider puking on a canvas art, I don't agree that speaking rhythmically to a plaster-cracking beat is music. Red Green said his definition of art is, if he can do it, it's not art. With some intense practice, I'm sure I can do rap. I'll never ever be able to sing, or play an instrument, or do any music of any kind.
I don't mean to say that I can't see the difference between the thug values of gangsta crap and more benign rhythmic jawing. I just won't listen long enough to recognize which kind of unwelcome noise is invading my atmosphere.
Come on Cobra, you can learn to sing, play an instrument or make music if you wanted. I'm not sure how good it would be, but you can do it. I think the fact that so many people believe that rapping takes no talent is the main problem.
I never said hating rap made you racist, but the biggest haters of rap are white. Thats the truth, take it however you want.
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Women don't find you handsome, they should at last find you handy.
Got a fan here too, although I probably butchered the line a little.
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Holy shit Cobra, you watch Red Green? I love that show and it seems like no one else has ever heard of it.
you should come up here to canada. Duct tape forever!
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I hate how so many people hate rappers just because they like rock. Rap and rock are about the same things: sex, drugs and rock n' rock/rap, why is it that rock doesn't get blamed for some white kid that shoots up his school anymore? Why is rap blamed for everything negative that happens in the black community, but rock isn't contributed to anything?
Here's a paraphrase:
You hate rap because you like rock.
Rap and rock cover the same subjects in lyrics.
People don't blame rock for white kids killing people.
Everything bad about the black community is blamed on rap.
Before you came into this thread with your reverse racism, white and black hadn't been mentioned.
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Here's a paraphrase:
You hate rap because you like rock.
Rap and rock cover the same subjects in lyrics.
People don't blame rock for white kids killing people.
Everything bad about the black community is blamed on rap.
Before you came into this thread with your reverse racism, white and black hadn't been mentioned.
How is what I said reverse racism? Do you really think that race has nothing to do with how rap is perceived?
Please don't paraphrase my posts anymore, I don't like having to defend myself against things I never said.
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How is what I said reverse racism? Do you really think that race has nothing to do with how rap is perceived?
Do you really think that race has EVERYTHING to do with how rap is percieved?
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Do you really think that race has EVERYTHING to do with how rap is percieved?
No, but its the biggest slice of the pie. A lot of white people just don't like rap, I'm not saying its because they're racist, they just don't. Black people don't like metal, they just don't.However, if I were to say that its just some dude screaming in a microphone about Satan, I wouldn't get the same support that you would if you degrade rap.
Metal/rock talks about death, violence, drugs, etc, but it doesn't get the credit for the downfall of society that rap music does.
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Your last post is basically wrong, but whatever. Do you have any idea how many black guys are in the metal scene? How many Mexicans and latinos in general? No, you probably don't, but that's not the point. And guess what, there are tons upon tons of white people who hate metal. They're called parents. You moron.
Yeah, I'm done with this. The discussion isn't even worth continuing. I wasn't feeling a racism angle so much with this either. My single problem is nick. I don't hate all rap, nor do I think that rap isn't music. I think it has a place and I think there used to be people with talent in the business and that there are still a few left. I just hate what it's become and what it's doing to people along with the current culture that it helps propagate. I won't change that statement and I couldn't give less of a flying fuck whether or not anyone cares, or if they're stupid enough to think it's racist. I have no problem with anybody's background or mother country, and I hate white people on equal ground with everybody else. But what I hate isn't the person it's the worthless culture that destroys people on a fundamental level, and I'm talking about far more than just idiot kids being noisy and disrespecting everyone because they have no concept of anything beyond Self. I'm talking about the death of art and meaning and value on a mass level. It isn't just hip hop culture, it's a widespread problem coming at us from more angles than we can count, and fuck anyone too stupid to see it.
And nick, I lived in Richmond most of my life, went to school there for years, was born in Oakland, and have worked in Oakland the last 10 or so years. I didn't drive by one weekend to look at the black people, you flaming idiot. My best friend as a kid was black. My other best friend was a Mexican. I'm currently acquainted with a black drug dealer, two white drug dealers (one of whom I used to beat up when he was a kid), and a guy who fell in with the Russian mafia to the point where cops won't even look him in the eye when he drives through San Francisco. He's Persian. Am I saying this to make myself sound tough or ghetto, like I've lived the thug life and come out on top? No. I'm only as tough as I need to be, and I'm not at all fucking ghetto. I don't like any of the people I just mentioned. I think they're all piles of crap, and the only reason I've ever hung out with any of them is because of mutual friends. My point is that I've been here a long time and have been plenty exposed to the music and culture I talk about, so you can shove your bullshit right back where it came from. You constantly complain that nobody reads what you say or that they paraphrase your posts, yet you have not once responded reasonably to anything I've said. You either assume I'm lying, ignore what I said entirely, or just make something up to suit your non-point. Plus you've done absolutely no research, you apparently know next to nothing at all about music in general, and you've got such a massive chip on your shoulder against so many things it taints everything that comes out of your fucking mouth. So you keep talking if you feel the need, but don't expect a sympathetic ear until you learn how to communicate. Here's a tip: staying sober for longer than your shift at work might help.
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A very small percentage of rock/metal talks about death, drugs etc.
A very LARGE percentage of rap talks about violence, drugs etc. Another huge factor in rap music is disrespecting women which you do not see much of in rock.
Keep in mind that rap also outsells rap by a large margin. The phrase "Rock is dead" didn't come out of nowhere you know.
THAT is why I believe rap is destroying society.
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Come on Cobra, you can learn to sing, play an instrument or make music if you wanted. I'm not sure how good it would be, but you can do it. I think the fact that so many people believe that rapping takes no talent is the main problem.
I never said hating rap made you racist, but the biggest haters of rap are white. Thats the truth, take it however you want.
Imagine a young black guy saying he hates rap. He'd have absolutely no social life at all. So it's more a question of who is affected by the peer pressure and who is not. I am neither young nor black. It does not affect me. I won't lose any social standing by speaking my mind on this. I suspect this example is not isolated. Besides, if I didn't absolutely love nearly all other "Black" music, it's conceivable that you'd have a point about racism with me. But I do, and you don't.
I could learn to sing, or play something, but not at the level of people who are worthy of recording contracts. I'm saying that nearly anyone could "rise" to the level of professional rap artists, with some concerted effort. I'm speaking of performance, not writing.
Idol, yeah, I really like the Red Green character, if not the whole show. The rest of the slapstick cast I could take or leave.
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I'm grouping you together because you are all saying the same thing. Its easy to say you listen to rap, technically I can say that I listen to country western. I dunno, I'm seeing a lot of hypocritical stuff in this thread and I'm the one being made out as the bad guy. First everyone says they hate rap, then everyone say they don't hate rap, then they only hate 90% of rap ( I keep seeing 90%, if you're going to give an answer go all the way and cut the bullshit).
I don't see how anything I said is hypocritical. I never said I hate rap, I said I hated gangster rap. Also I don't have cut any bullshit, I am entitled to like a certain percentage of a genre of music without liking all of it. I love metal, but do I have to like all of it because its all metal? No I don't. I am entitled to my views on gangster rap music without having to like a large percentage of it. I know I don't hate the type of rap I hate because I like rock, I hate the type of rap I hate because I hate it, its my own taste in music, like I said earlier my dislike for most rap music isn't just due to the content in the music, its a number of things that I base that opinion on. If a rapper who doesn't even rap about stupid gangster cliche shit has shitty beats and just a mediocre sound as a whole, I won't listen to it. I'll give pretty much any type of music or any artist a listen to before I say I dislike it. I get so tired of having people think I'm just some close minded metalhead that doesn't appreciate any other type of music when I listen to all kinds of music because I love music.
Also I'm not making you seem like "the bad guy". I am just having to clarify myself repeatedly because you are making assumptions about me and not reading what I am saying or reading into it wrong. Also, I don't really have anything personal against you, I might not agree with you on some things, but that's it. Anyways, I'm done with this topic, you are set in your own ways and it doesn't seem like you are going to change your assumptions about me and anyone else here.
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Holy shit Cobra, you watch Red Green? I love that show and it seems like no one else has ever heard of it.
Hahaha, yea. I haven't seen a whole lot of it, but I have seen a number of episodes, awesome show.
"If it ain't broken, your not tryin."
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I used to hate rap, but I've been getting into it more now. It's obviously a different kind of music than rock, so it requires a different method of listening. Sounds stupid, but you just don't listen to rock and rap the same way. The things I love about rock and the things I love about rap are worlds different, but I still like both kinds of music. There's plenty of rap I hate and there's plenty of rock I hate, but I like music, and if something sounds good to me it doesn't matter what it is. I think a big problem is nobody gives rap a chance because of the ridiculous culture that's been built around it. We can all agree on that.
Also, it MAY take more talent to play your instruments and create a rock song, but rap is not completely devoid of talent. Have you ever tried to rap? Try it sometime, I guarantee you sound like an idiot. The music? Sure it's not a traditional instrument, but these people are still composing melodies. It may all be digital, but is it not a skill to manipulate a piece of equipment to make sounds that a large number of people enjoy? Sounds like an instrument to me.
I fucking hate the whole "gangsta" culture. I enjoy some of the music that comes from it.
I fucking HATE songs written by liberal deuches about George Bush being an idiot, but there's plenty of punk rock I dig.
I hate the whole goth scene and the shitheads that think metal means you need to pierce a chain into your face, but I rock out to metal on a regular basis.
I HATE LAME POP, but I'll be damned if Justin Timberlake isn't gonna be blaring from my car later tonight.
Tell me we can all get this.
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Your last post is basically wrong, but whatever. Do you have any idea how many black guys are in the metal scene? How many Mexicans and latinos in general? No, you probably don't, but that's not the point. And guess what, there are tons upon tons of white people who hate metal. They're called parents. You moron.
Yeah, I'm done with this. The discussion isn't even worth continuing. I wasn't feeling a racism angle so much with this either. My single problem is nick. I don't hate all rap, nor do I think that rap isn't music. I think it has a place and I think there used to be people with talent in the business and that there are still a few left. I just hate what it's become and what it's doing to people along with the current culture that it helps propagate. I won't change that statement and I couldn't give less of a flying fuck whether or not anyone cares, or if they're stupid enough to think it's racist. I have no problem with anybody's background or mother country, and I hate white people on equal ground with everybody else. But what I hate isn't the person it's the worthless culture that destroys people on a fundamental level, and I'm talking about far more than just idiot kids being noisy and disrespecting everyone because they have no concept of anything beyond Self. I'm talking about the death of art and meaning and value on a mass level. It isn't just hip hop culture, it's a widespread problem coming at us from more angles than we can count, and fuck anyone too stupid to see it.
And nick, I lived in Richmond most of my life, went to school there for years, was born in Oakland, and have worked in Oakland the last 10 or so years. I didn't drive by one weekend to look at the black people, you flaming idiot. My best friend as a kid was black. My other best friend was a Mexican. I'm currently acquainted with a black drug dealer, two white drug dealers (one of whom I used to beat up when he was a kid), and a guy who fell in with the Russian mafia to the point where cops won't even look him in the eye when he drives through San Francisco. He's Persian. Am I saying this to make myself sound tough or ghetto, like I've lived the thug life and come out on top? No. I'm only as tough as I need to be, and I'm not at all fucking ghetto. I don't like any of the people I just mentioned. I think they're all piles of crap, and the only reason I've ever hung out with any of them is because of mutual friends. My point is that I've been here a long time and have been plenty exposed to the music and culture I talk about, so you can shove your bullshit right back where it came from. You constantly complain that nobody reads what you say or that they paraphrase your posts, yet you have not once responded reasonably to anything I've said. You either assume I'm lying, ignore what I said entirely, or just make something up to suit your non-point. Plus you've done absolutely no research, you apparently know next to nothing at all about music in general, and you've got such a massive chip on your shoulder against so many things it taints everything that comes out of your fucking mouth. So you keep talking if you feel the need, but don't expect a sympathetic ear until you learn how to communicate. Here's a tip: staying sober for longer than your shift at work might help.
Que, where do find all the space to pull all of this shit out of your ass? There are not a lot of blacks or latinos in metal, there just isn't. Its getting to the point where I can't even read the walls of bullshit you post here.
Haha! I like how you pulled the "I'm not racist (not like I ever called you one), because I have a Mexican friend". People who say stuff like this usually have something to prove, what are you trying to prove Que? I also think you're a liar, you don't know any drug dealers, you don't know any...Russian mafioso? Do you actually believe any of this shit that you're typing? I find it really pathetic that you would make up stories and spite yourself just to get back at me.
P.S. Belmont, most of that post wasn't directed at you. You're cool in my book.
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Que, where do find all the space to pull all of this shit out of your ass? There are not a lot of blacks or latinos in metal, there just isn't. Its getting to the point where I can't even read the walls of bullshit you post here.
Haha! I like how you pulled the "I'm not racist (not like I ever called you one), because I have a Mexican friend". People who say stuff like this usually have something to prove, what are you trying to prove Que? I also think you're a liar, you don't know any drug dealers, you don't know any...Russian mafioso? Do you actually believe any of this shit that you're typing? I find it really pathetic that you would make up stories and spite yourself just to get back at me.
P.S. Belmont, most of that post wasn't directed at you. You're cool in my book.
Nick, I honestly think Que has no reason to lie about his background, nor would he, I think I, and several other people here know him well enough to know that as well. Also your mention about not a lot of blacks and latinos being in metal is for the most part wrong, I live in Texas and you would be surprised to find out that a very large amount of metal fans are Hispanic, metal bands actually put on a lot of shows in Mexico and South America because of the large fanbase there. One of the largest groove/thrash metal bands that consisted of Brazilians, well used to be large anyways, was Sepultura. That's just one example too.
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Shoot Em Up (http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Shoot-'Em-Up-lyrics-Nas/6A160F395E62FB8F482568B9002E6F71) is the one song I've heard by Nas. How is this being above the whole gangster thing? I know I'm just judging based off one song, but still.
That was during his "Nas Escobar" era. Okay, I'll just explain a lot here...
A lot like 2Pac (hence why Nas often compares himself w/ Pac in his records), Nas always had a battle with two personalities of himself -- namely, the thug (Nas Escobar) and the poet (Nasty Nas). This began, namely, w/ "It Was Written" -- his 2nd album. This happened b/c his first album, sales-wise, was a flop upon release -- though, "Illmatic" was highly praised by critics and fans of rap alike; this album is often regarded as the best rap album ever made period. This struggle is most apparent over his 3rd CD, "I Am...The Autobiography," in which the entire album, is probably his wildest disc. Why is this? Well, he struggled b/t his two personalities the most here, as both run rampant throughout the album. What do the two personalities represent? They represent namely, his struggles b/t what he wants to do for music (just as himself, Nasty Nas) and want his record label wanted (Columbia Records wanted a character more like Nas Escobar, given the rise of the "gangsta rap" sub-genre of rap music).
Many of the tracks that originally were supposed to appear on "I Am...The Autobiography" were more like his early "Illmatic" stuff and his more recent stuff, but Columbia Records wanted more "gangsta rap" type tracks on the album -- especially since at that time, those were the records doing namely all the selling. This album was originally supposed to be a double album, actually -- where the two discs were going to be split between his two personalities equally. But, that idea was eventually scrapped -- especially since numerous tracks wound up bootlegged all over the streets and with the arrival of music-sharing programs (Napster, Kazaa, etc etc) around then. And, many of the bootlegged tracks were his not-so-gangsta rap stuff from that "I Am" album. So, many of these very personal tracks, such as "Drunk By Myself", "Poppa Was A Playa", "Purple", and "Fetus (Belly Button Window)," wound up being bootlegged like crazy. Fans wanted these tracks released by Columbia Records so bad, that they got these tracks released all on "The Lost Tapes" album.
In recent years, especially more so now than ever, Nas has been a lot like he was back when Nas first arrived w/ "Illmatic." Nas has pretty much strayed away from the gangsta rap Nas Escobar personality. The success of "Stillmatic" really began the butchering of his Esco personality, if you ask me -- and of course, w/ that title, it sparked sales for the original "Illmatic" album. The Esco personality only got buried more so w/ his next success, "The Lost Tapes". It just continued from there, basically....really got the ball rollin'...
On his new album "Hip Hop Is Dead" and the actual song itself, Nas takes some shots at artists -- and most of all, himself for what he feels was himself betraying hip hop. Hence the entire 3rd verse from that "Hip Hop Is Dead" song. Here's some of it. The bold stuff is where he's really takin' shots at himself. "Everybody sound the same, commercialize the game/Reminiscin' when it wasn't all business/It forgot where it started/So we all gather here for the dearly departed/Hip-hopper since a toddler/One homeboy became a man, then a mobster."
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Nick again points out he knows nothing about music. Yes, there's a huge latin metal scene. Go to a Brujeria (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=17612793) show and get in the pit with those motherfuckers. They'll change your mind right quick. Am I saying the majority of metal or metal fandom is black and latino? Obviously not. I'm saying there's a significant presence, and saying otherwise is just stupid. Sepultura had a huge following, and if you think they're the only metal act to come out of Brazil you're... stupid. Click here (http://www.metaleros.de/). Click on Brazil. Look at the list of bands on the side. Then go fuck yourself with a screwdriver.
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Talk about a "Classic" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=UDCDrcZK4NE) right here.
New song by Nas, Rakim, KRS-ONE, and Kanye West.
Produced by DJ Premier.
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Nick again points out he knows nothing about music. Yes, there's a huge latin metal scene. Go to a Brujeria (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=17612793) show and get in the pit with those motherfuckers. They'll change your mind right quick. Am I saying the majority of metal or metal fandom is black and latino? Obviously not. I'm saying there's a significant presence, and saying otherwise is just stupid. Sepultura had a huge following, and if you think they're the only metal act to come out of Brazil you're... stupid. Click here (http://www.metaleros.de/). Click on Brazil. Look at the list of bands on the side. Then go fuck yourself with a screwdriver.
You only listed two bands, both local. Is this the huge following you're talking about? I think you should do an introspective on yourself before you tell anyone they don't know anything about music. I really got a laugh out of that second band's page that hasn't been updated in about a year. I can't get my head around you saying you're done with this topic, only to come back with a lame ass argument. I think you should ponder on it for a bit...and conjure up something better than..."screwdriver fucking".
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I said I was done with the rap topic, which I am. I'm never going to be done watching you make an ass of yourself.
EDIT - Also, I didn't link to two bands. I linked to one. The other is a site that covers latin metal and has nothing to do with local anything. So I don't know where you're even getting that.
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Nick you neglected (or missed) that link that has a ton of metal bands in Que's post which was the main point of that post(screwdrivers aside). There are hundreds of bands listed for Argentina, Mexico, and Brazil and other Latin countries.
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Nick you neglected (or missed) that link that has a ton of metal bands in Que's post which was the main point of that post(screwdrivers aside). There are hundreds of bands listed for Argentina, Mexico, and Brazil and other Latin countries.
You know, when I looked at the number of bands I thought Que's ass logic might actually be right about something. I counted all the bands from each country as well:
272 Brazil
76 Chile
25 Uruguay
103 Mexico
213 Argentina
A total of 689 bands sounds like a lot right, I thought so too until I started looking at some of these bands. A lot of them only have one record, half of their profiles aren't even there and most of them haven't released a record during the 21 century...or the 90's. I thought 689 was a lot until I realized these are all the bands to come out of South America ever! Its been almost 30 years and thats all the bands they have.
Is this the influence thats being talked about? The significant slice of the pie that Latinos are cutting out of the metal genre? Thats only 22 bands a year, almost all of them are broken up, most of them are one hit wonder and I can't even tell what the rest are because their profile leads to an error message.
As a lark I went only on Myspace to see how many metal band there were registered there, they have 16,675. Lets assume that half of these bands have at least one Latino member (but aren't a Latino band, so we'll just take them out of the equation all together), the other bands of the predominately white genre still outnumber Latinos 12 to 1.
Of course theres Latino bands, but they're nowhere nearly as significant as you imply them to be. Most of their careers ended unnoticed over 20 years ago.
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in other news - WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING ON HIS NECK? how much did it cost him, and does he actually think it looks good?
About the chain, that thing's huge! hehe. A lot of artists are into wearing crazy amounts of gold.
About the Egyptian Sarcophagus looking chain -- he's self-promoting his 3rd album, it looks like. hehe. Besides the usual Biblical references on the album, he refers especially to Greek Mythology and Egyptian Mythology all over a good portion of his 3rd LP, "I Am..."
On "I Am...", he called himself "The Pharaoh Nas" here and there on it -- for example, he calls himself that on the song "Nas Is Like."
Example from that song -- "Planets in orbit/Line 'em up with the stars/Tarot cards/Y'all can see The Pharaoh Nas."
He compared himself to a lot of stuff in "Nas Is Like," beginning many lines with "I'm Like..." or "Nas Is Like..." or "Like...".
Example from that song -- "Like Greeks in Egypt, learnin' somethin deep from they teachers."
On the album cover, he's dressed up in gold, looking like a Pharoah's sarcophagus.
And inside the liner notes, there are pictures of him looking like his was made into a Egyptian Sarcophagus.
He even does refers to Isis on the song "K-I-SS-I-N-G."
Example from that song -- "She was the modern day Isis/Honey-doll, she was priceless/Perfect definition of what a wife is."