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Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: idolminds on Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 12:29:45 PM
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I guess Apples naming department is still on christmas break (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/62120).
Its a bigger ipod touch with a 9.7 inch screen. It'll run all the current ipod/iphone apps, and new ones can be written to take advantage of the screen size. The 10 hour battery life isnt bad, but the cheapest model costs more than a PS3.
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What the hell is the point of that? I bought an iPod touch, and I like it. But Why do I need a giant one that is not as portable?
Mac douches will buy it right up I'm sure...
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I thought it was supposed to be like a tablet PC... so not just a big ass ipod/iphone.
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Yeah, that's what I thought as well. I was certainly expecting more of a full blown tablet running OSX or something like that.
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You can hook a keyboard up to it, and it uses the OS that the iPhone/Ipod uses...
A freaking keyboard! This will revolutionize the industry.
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http://www.shitclips.co.uk/uncategorized/apple-ipad/ (http://www.shitclips.co.uk/uncategorized/apple-ipad/)
Hahah
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haha, one of the best responses Ive seen:
Wtf, I think I came from the future, because I already have one of these and it fits in my pocket.
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Well, that's crap. Thankfully I wasn't very interested anyway. I think Microsoft's book-like tablet thing may begin to pick up speed after this. I actually think that one looks (potentially) cool.
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So why would you ever want this over an iPhone / iPod touch? What's the point of it?
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I heard a couple of game developers have expressed interest in developing games for it... it could become another gaming platform.
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Just what we need, a super-expensive, underpowered portable gaming platform that isn't even convenient to carry.
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Well, that's crap. Thankfully I wasn't very interested anyway. I think Microsoft's book-like tablet thing may begin to pick up speed after this. I actually think that one looks (potentially) cool.
Courier by Microsoft looks fucking fantastic, but no one has seen it in use yet. The tech video could be mostly concept. If they pull it off though; damn.
My girlfriend totally wants an iPad now, which I can kind of understand since she doesn't have a cell phone or PDA or anything like that, but I don't think it would replace her netbook at all. More like something to browse on the internet with while just sitting on the deck and whatnot. I'd reccomend she just get a Touch, but I guess some people want bigger stuff if they're not throwing it in their pocket anyways (DSi XXL?).
I CAN see the market for this, but I'm really amazed that this is what the Apple slate turned out to be. It's a big fucking iPod. That could change if a lot of great apps are written for it, but it's not a game changer - the HP Slate still blows it out of the water in every way imaginable. The Slate is a tablet, the iPad is something more like a toy. And Courier? If it stays the same and comes out like that, it could be a game-changer.
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I couldn't really find use for the iPod Touch. I'm not sure why I would want a bigger one.
And how is this supposed to compete with netbooks with that price tag? I paid $300 for my little Dell.
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I think the big issue here is that support is huge for this shit. It doesn't matter how good the other hardware is when every stupid twat software developer is out there making iPhone apps because it's the thing to do.
Still... I'm hoping the Courier does well. I don't like Microsoft, but the concept had me kind of excited... I can actually see a lot of uses for it, and depending on the actual specs and whether or not there's good software for it (homebrew stuff would be epic), I could conceivably drop some change on one.
And if they make a 美人時計 app for it, I'm sold.
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I could care less. In fact, I'm sort of anti-iPad at this point.
The company I work for now is a 60% Mac environment, and I have really come to despise Apple stuff except for my iPod. The OS has just as many problems as Windows has. In fact, some of the problems are worse and just dumbfounding. Here is a for-instance. All Macs come with an Apple Remote Desktop server built in (except they call it the Apple Remote Desktop Client, which is wrong). Think enabling Microsoft Remote Desktop on your business or ultimate SKU windows OS. However, to actually utilize it, you need to purchase a product called Apple Remote Desktop Admin. However, any time I tried to connect to a computer running ARD 1.2 (current is 3.3.2), it would FUCKING BREAK THE ARD ADMIN TOOL! Like I'm talking not even dragging it to the Trash and reinstalling it does the trick. No, I had to go into the command line and blow a bunch of shit away. What kind of shitty programming is this? Apple, you can't put in there "Sorry, you can't connect to ARD 1.2. Upgrade the client machine."?
Macs also have trouble with the SMB protocol (the protocol used by Windows for sharing files over the network, also the protocol used by Samba on Linux) in version 10.5 Leopard and possibly 10.6 Snow Leopard. People will be able to connect to some shares but not others. There is no rhyme or reason. It's not a permissions issue. These same users can connect on 10.4 Tiger or a Windows machine to those same shares. Apple support is mum on the issue or even blames Microsoft. Nevermind that Windows clients have zero problems with this or that this same problem exists with Mac clients connecting to a Linux file server running Samba. Or they will recommend turning on Services for Macintosh or installing ExtremeZ-IP to enable the AFP protocol on the Windows server. Nevermind that when you do this it really fucks everything up because Mac locks files and handles resource forks differently when connecting AFP vs. SMB. So if you have both (and you have to if you want to have Windows clients also using it), people will try connecting with both protocols and the files constantly get fucked up.
And don't even get me started on the hardware. The hardware is just utter crap. I can't believe how much they charge for this Made in China bullshit. We got a Mac Xserve in today and the internal solid state drive was simply double-stick taped to the interior of the server case. Can you believe that? Of course it had come loose and was probably banging around in there during shipping. Who knows what damage it did and if we'll have a short-lived server because of it. No brackets, Apple? Really? This thing was over $7,000 and you couldn't give me a fucking bracket?
I have to say the iPhone was and is pretty cool, but I like the Droid better and it seems with Android the sky is the limit. Their magic mouse is pretty nice too, but I wish it was shaped differently. But fuck Macs. Seriously, fuck them.
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^^^ I don't know about the ARD thing, since I don't use it. I *do* know about the SMB issues you're having, though, since I see those almost every day.
The problem is 50% Apple's fault, because the Finder is royally half-assed. However the problem is also 50% Microsoft's fault, because they designed the SMB protocol as their revenge against an uncaring world. Here's a shortlist of the things I hate about it the most:
* No atomicity (if an SMB transaction is cancelled halfway through, there is a chance of causing file or filesystem corruption). As a side effect, this means:
** You can't cancel an SMB transaction halfway through unless the request times out or you get a response from the server. Once you start a transaction, you are committed, and your computer must sit on its ass for as long as it takes (or else you risk data loss).
** Even if you wait for the connection to timeout, there's still a chance of data corruption.
* The protocol is prone to "half-open" connections where a server thinks it's connected to a client but the client isn't connected to the server. This causes file locking issues, and also will prevent the client from re-connecting to the server.
* The protocol is also prone to half-open connections where a client thinks it's connected to a server but not vice-versa. This will cause the client to hang for long periods of time whenever someone attempts to start an SMB transaction, since the transaction can't be cancelled until it times out.
* Speaking of connection timeouts, they take a ridiculously long time, and since they happen so often, you'll spend a long time waiting around for them.
Macs also have trouble with the SMB protocol (the protocol used by Windows for sharing files over the network, also the protocol used by Samba on Linux) in version 10.5 Leopard and possibly 10.6 Snow Leopard. People will be able to connect to some shares but not others. There is no rhyme or reason.
Try killing any .DS_store files you find on your Windows boxes. (This is definitely Apple's fault, and whoever developed the .DS_store deserves to be beaten with a shovel.)
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Ok, heres what I've gathered over the last couple days.
Pros:
Shiny, Responsive
Cons:
No Multitasking, App Store only, 500 bones for 16gb.
Why the fuck would I pay 500 bucks for a tablet when I can get a netbook? Netbook runs win7. Netbook has a decent amount of storage. And the iPad still uses a fucking keyboard. Why would you try to one up netbooks if youre just going to use a crap virtual keyboard instead of a real one?
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One day you will play Starcraft on a keyboardless tablet computer, and all will become clear to you.
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Someday I will live in a screensaver; a beautiful tropical island. That will be my ultimate interface in life.
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Try killing any .DS_store files you find on your Windows boxes. (This is definitely Apple's fault, and whoever developed the .DS_store deserves to be beaten with a shovel.)
I don't know much about the .DS_store files, but I know Macs create them everywhere and I know you can disable Macs from creating them on network shares.
This is really interesting though because I know on one of the servers where several Leopard users can connect to some shares but not others, there are .DS_store files in the root of every share they can't connect to and no .DS_store files in the shares they can connect to.
Do you have any insight into how this contributes to the problem? This has been perplexing us since we moved some shares over to a new Windows 2008 file server.
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I'm not sure, but I assume it goes like this:
Finder connects to share, Finder sees .DS_store, Finder loads .DS_store, Finder does not realize .DS_store is corrupt or invalid, Finder shits its pants all over your favorite carpet and then dies. The problem isn't specific to SMB, and it can occur even on your local hard drive.
(Windows has an equivalent problem with desktop.ini, except a corrupt desktop.ini can render your computer unbootable even in Safe Mode.)
Can you mount and browse the share from the command line? If the command line works and the Finder doesn't, it's probably a corrupt .DS_store. If it's not that, the next thing I'd look for would be a half-open connection (especially where the server is connected to the client, but not vice-versa).
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Ok, heres what I've gathered over the last couple days.
Pros:
Shiny, Responsive
Cons:
No Multitasking, App Store only, 500 bones for 16gb.
Why the fuck would I pay 500 bucks for a tablet when I can get a netbook? Netbook runs win7. Netbook has a decent amount of storage. And the iPad still uses a fucking keyboard. Why would you try to one up netbooks if youre just going to use a crap virtual keyboard instead of a real one?
yeah, reaction to this doesn't seem to be so hot.
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What's really pathetic is that I've literally seen the following post like... a bunch of times in various places:
"Yeah, it kind of sucks. It's like they really missed the mark. It just doesn't seem that cool or useful, or different enough to be the big deal we hoped it would be. But I know I'll still end up buying one."
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haha yea I've seen that too.
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I'm an insecure guy in general. So it makes me feel warm all over knowing without a doubt that I'll never buy one of these. Certainty is serenity.
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I has become clear to me a while ago that apple to doesn't cater to us. That's pretty much all I've got to say.
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http://mashable.com/2010/01/27/ipad-whats-missing/
I didn't realize how limited this thing was going to be. No USB, no expansion slot, no multitasking, no full Flash support, no HD video support... the list goes on!
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I am not enough of a consumer whore to own an iTouch and that thing at the same time. Fuck, it costs the same as a ps3? I'd get one of those, but I don't even own an HDTV. Damn I'm poor.
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HOLY SHIT ITS KAMS
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HOLY SHIT ITS KAMS
HOLY SHIT!
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What's really pathetic is that I've literally seen the following post like... a bunch of times in various places:
"Yeah, it kind of sucks. It's like they really missed the mark. It just doesn't seem that cool or useful, or different enough to be the big deal we hoped it would be. But I know I'll still end up buying one."
Requirements for addiction from the DSM IV
• Preoccupation with use of the [apple product] between periods of use.
• Using more of the [apple product] than had been anticipated.
• The development of tolerance to the [apple product] in question.
• A characteristic withdrawal syndrome from the [apple product].
• Use of the [apple product] to avoid or control withdrawal symptoms.
• Repeated efforts to cut back or stop the [apple product] use.
• Intoxication at inappropriate times (such as at work), or when withdrawal interferes with daily functioning (such as when hangover makes person too sick to go to work).
• A reduction in social, occupational or recreational activities in favor of further [apple product] use.
• Continued [apple product] use in spite of the individual having suffered social, emotional, or physical problems related to [apple product] use.
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A PS3 costs $299. A decent one of these with 3G and 64GB costs $800.
Really, for that much, you can get a half decent laptop.
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PS3? Come on, Pug. You're thinking in the past. What this was obviously made for is board games. (http://recombu.com/news/ipad-board-games-apple-has-created-a-jumanji-platform_M11370.html)
If you've ever tried to play a board game on a games console, computer or mobile phone you'll know that it's just not the same as sitting around a table with your friends and family. Enter the iPad, the perfect device to play board games on.
The multi-touch display is perfect for moving pieces around a board and because the iPad is a computer it can store thousands of games and add a variety of interactive features. In addition to animated Monopoly playing pieces, for example, you could also use the iPad's Wi-Fi or 3G to play games with friends and family across the world. There's even scope to create an iPad board game that works with iPhones.
Imagine a Scrabble iPad game that used iPhones as letter holders. You could hold up your iPhone so that no one else could see your letters and when you were ready to make a word on the Scrabble iPad board, you could slide them on to the board by flicking the word tiles off your iPhone. What we're trying to say is that Apple has opened the door for people to create Jumanji-style games - music-filled, fun-packed experiences that can be shared in a novel way. The iPad is an interactive board game platform that could easily revive board game culture and introduce new generations to classic family games. It's up to developers though to take advantage of this opportunity and show us the future of family-based digital games.
Family-based digital board games. Because I'm sure there are lots of families that want to drop $499 (minimum) on the iPad, plus $796 for four iPod Touches so everyone can have their own little screen so they can play some SCRABBLE!
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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f7a03edbd7/pee-wee-gets-an-ipad (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f7a03edbd7/pee-wee-gets-an-ipad)
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New fun today: unfortunately, we discovered today that Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, binding to an Active Directory domain, Microsoft Office 2004 or 2008, and the SMB protocol is a poisonous combination. Snow Leopard users bound to Active Directory cannot save to SMB shares using Microsoft Office 2004 or 2008. Or if they can, it is only on certain shares or is very flaky (as in it usually doesn't work but randomly does sometimes).
Now, this time at least Microsoft is complicit because it doesn't happen with other programs like Open Office or TextEdit. But it harks back to Apple's completely broken implementation of the SMB protocol. Linux has virtually no trouble with SMB. Windows has virtually no trouble with SMB. Hmmmm, Apple... must be you.
Of course as always no problems with AFP. If only Apple would fix SMB or Microsoft would implement AFP. But alas, it is not to be.
Did I mention that I hate Apple to you guys?
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Wait. This is bigger news. Pee Wee still lives?
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(http://www.nefarious-240z.com/Pub/iPadvsSketch.jpg)
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Hahaha! Hey, I had one of those.
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Me too! I loved that thing.
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I can't wait!
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Yea... I plan to buy one as well.
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http://www.theonion.com/content/infograph/apple_finally_unveils_ipad
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Haha, brilliant.
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To ensure that its users receive the constant public attention they crave, the iPad will emit the phrase "Hey, does that guy have an iPad?" every eight minute
Haha :P
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(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/02/jaygoebel.jpg)
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New info on Courier (http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/microsofts-courier-digital-journal-exclusive-pictures-and-de/)
Looks pretty badass.
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Courier looks awesome. I heard about it today and am quite interested in it.
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I've been impressed with Microsoft lately. Zune HD is apparently sweet, Windows 7 rocks, Winmo 7 is getting a lot of very positive buzz, and Courier could end up being just awesome. I wonder what changed internally.
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I definitely keep hoping Courier will be awesome, and reasonably priced. It looks great.
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Swap 'sad' with 'amazing' in the following quote, and it makes better sense:
"Apple has been able to generate over $75 million in revenue in one day on a product that 99.9% of purchase0rs haven't touched or for that matter, even seen in person," said Victor Castroll, an analyst with Valcent Financial Group. "And, we're still three weeks away. That is amazing.''
http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2010/03/13/day-1-estimate-120000-ipads-sold/
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Thats insane.
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Ah, the power of Apple...
R&D: "Any ideas?"
"Yeah - lets just make a really fucking big iPod touch!"
"Brilliant! *monkey noises*"
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haha yea a few years later they release the same thing with a bigger yet still insanely inadequate HD space, and the drones will continue to eat it up.
To be fair, I think aside from the hardcore, this won't sell too well. We may get news on that once the hype dies.
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To be fair, I think aside from the hardcore, this won't sell too well.
= it will sell well. You underestimate Apple fanboys.
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Yea "hardcore" probably means a few million...
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I think the real question is: Will it blend? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko)
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Hahaha, awesome.
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I have one here at home now. I'm to mess around with it until Friday to see what it is about, then it goes to the true owner at our company. We got about 25 of them in the office now. I work for a publisher, so I guess they are seeing what they are about so they can put content on there.
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I've been messing with this thing for the past hour. It's just a toy. A large iPod Touch. It is too heavy and the lack of Flash support sucks.
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What's the fallout from the inability to multitask? (How is that handled?)
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Still can't get over the lack of multitasking in their 'smartphones'.
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What's the fallout from the inability to multitask? (How is that handled?)
Fallout? heh.
I own an iPod Touch and I like it for a few reasons: full web browser (minus flash support) and most importantly it FITS IN MY POCKET. No clue why anyone would want one of these.
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What's the fallout from the inability to multitask? (How is that handled?)
Depressingly, probably 95% of people who use devices like this and smartphones aren't interested in multi-tasking at all. I read an interesting article on how it's not really a selling point and how most people don't use their devices to do more than one thing at once anyways. Personally, I use it all the time on my WinMo phone, but MS is ditching it for Windows 7.
The main drawback is the battery drain associated with multi tasking and possible resource drain. The article, did however, point out that the answer isn't necessarily cutting out multi-tasking, but rather implementing a modern task manager.
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What's the fallout from the inability to multitask? (How is that handled?)
Basically, there is only one active window at a time. You have to go back to the main screen to do something else, but it doesn't reset the program you were in. It seems like Windows 3.11 where it faked multitasking by keeping background windows paused but you can pick up where you left off.
I haven't tried messing with music to see if that stops playing if you switch out of iTunes. I would guess so, but I would have to defer to iPhone and iPod Touch owners for a certain answer to that since this thing is just an iPod Touch with a big screen, itself an iPhone without the phone.
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You're all lame. I really want this thing just because it's a new toy. Who doesn't want new toys? And the iPad has that awesome app store so it can be a toy that does more and more things the longer you have it. How cool is that? I haven't bought a new toy in years, it's time. Sadly I only have about $20 to put towards a new toy so the iPad or anything else is years away.
You know you're getting old when you see a new toy and have to ask what it's for.
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Trust me, this thing is a complete waste of money. Even a die hard Apple guy I work with who was very excited about this release has said he's not impressed by it after having it several days and doesn't see a reason to own one. His biggest problem was the weight but he also didn't see value in having a less portable iPod Touch.
For me, the only reason I see if for someone who doesn't have a Kindle and wants something that does that plus other stuff. There is a (free) Kindle for iPad app and you can buy out of the Kindle store. So this does the Kindle thing plus other stuff like casual web browsing. That said, Jennie and I have a Kindle and I prefer it over the iPad as a ebook reader because it is easier on the eyes since there is no backlight and it is a lot lighter. Plus the screen on the Kindle doesn't flip sideways if you hold it cockeyed or upside down if you put it on your lap like the iPad does. Damn that was annoying.
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Yeah, that is the thing - the Kindle uses e-ink...which is great on the eyes (and battery). The iPad is still a bright ass high contrast screen that will cause eye strain, especially from excessive reading.
I can see uses for it, but still think it is a pretty big waste of money. Browsing would be good if you are sitting around on the couch or whatever (you know...no need to rest your laptop or netbook on your legs), but I fucking hate touch typing, so that would probably kill it. I also hate orientation flipping when unnecessary....really pisses me off on my phone, this would probably be the same.
As for multi-tasking, yeah - it is basically a suspend tasking system. On Apple products it is full suspension so they (maybe just some) remain open, but are cut off from using ANY resources. On Windows 7 (as far as we know) it seems to be a hybrid where some apps will be closed all the way on exit, some suspended and cut off completely, and some are still allowed access to resources for things like database access (how they are cutting out copy and paste) and possibly stuff like Pandora music streaming while you are browsing the internet.
I still think it is bullshit....just develop a good task manager. If third parties can do it and sell them for a dollar (or give them away) on Winmo 6.X and Android, I dont see why Apple or MS can not pull it off.
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So, when's IPad Version 2.0 coming out?
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So, when's IPad Version 2.0 coming out?
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Next announcement: iPad Nano
It's an iPod Touch with an engraving of Steve Job's middle finger in the Apple logo.
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Could this device replace laptops and netbooks? Obviously this first gen model probably can't, but if something like the iPad got some hardware upgrades, ports and expansion slots, fully functional browser, multitasking, etc. it could be something amazing.
Right now it's just a huge ass iPod Touch/iPhone, but I am interested in seeing what this will turn into further down the road.
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Ports and expansion slots are key, but I can't ever see this replacing a netbook or laptop. First, it's still a completely closed system, and that would suck for a netbook or laptop. Second, typing. I don't give a shit what anyone says, touch typing will never replace a keyboard for typing anything longer than a paragraph at a time (Swype is about as close as you could conceivably get).
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Could this device replace laptops and netbooks? Obviously this first gen model probably can't, but if something like the iPad got some hardware upgrades, ports and expansion slots, fully functional browser, multitasking, etc. it could be something amazing.
yea but then it just becomes a laptop/netbook... this device can't replace much as it stands.
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I could see it replacing a netbook if cloud computing takes off.
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A flat panel cannot replace a real keyboard. So it depends on whether the keyboard matters to you. I can see the convenience factor here. Something small and completely flat is easier to carry around and use casually on the go. But it needs to ramp up to the full power of a PC to be a laptop lite. As is, I have to agree that it's a toy.
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I love the idea of the product, but it's Apple. It's expensive. You have to buy all your shit from an app store. Blah.
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Right. That goes without saying. A real PC with no keyboard and a 4-point touch screen (and a virtual keyboard) in a minimalist enclosure would be something genuinely useful. This iPad thing is something else entirely.
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The iPhone OS 4.0 was announced today with some interesting features. Multitasking, folder 'grouping', and a social gaming network, along with other stuff.
It's going to be released for the iPhone in the summer; the iPad will get the update in the fall.
It's a step in the right direction at least, but it's still a bit of a ways before I would consider getting an iPad.
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Multi-tasking is a huge change. Microsoft is now left in the dust with Windows Phone 7. Now all apple needs is Flash support.
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The multitasking thing is quite different in the traditional sense. I think instead they keep up to 7 threads open containing core processes that any set of applications might use and you can easily switch between apps on the fly because of that. It's not true multitasking, but the way Apple is doing it apparently makes it to that it does not impact battery life.
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I don't see how that saves battery life really. Oh wait, so it's not like multitasking at all really? Like I still couldn't open an app to stream music from pandora or last.fm, close it into the backround and check my email with it playing? I could just switch between them more quickly? I think that's how MS is planning on doing it as well...shit will be suspended for some apps, but it can't actually be running.
It's better than nothing, but it really wouldn't be so bad if some things could run in the backround, you know what I mean? Or at least have the option? People could choose battery life or functionality like that.
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I was able to play around with my friend's iPad for a few minutes on Friday. Very neat device. Overpriced for my taste, but I could definitely see it giving the Kindle a run for its money.
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Has anyone had a look at the iPad yet? Impressions? I am just curious, I want to see this piece of crap.
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You know, I think if someone modified the iPad you could have a really awesome field tool for geology. I did some geologic mapping with a tablet PC equipped with a GPS and when it comes down to a an iPad would just be something with a nicer form factor, less weight, and a great screen (all big negatives of the current systems I know being used). You basically just have to sync some sort of mapping program to a GPS, which really just works like Illustrator but with more data attached to nodes. The iPad also has the plus of the accelerometer which means you can literally place the computer on a surface and get orientation data automatically combined with the GPS location. It'd be pretty handy.
The only real problem is the current GPS on the iPad might not be that great, but that wouldn't be a hard upgrade and I'm sure it wouldn't take more than a small antenna sticking out the side. I was working with a laptop card GPS that gave us accurate readings within a 5m radius. Some easy work would get that on the iPad.
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I still think the iPad is stupid and I whenever I see someone with one my first thought is "doucebag".
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Despite what I said earlier, I have to agree. I think a device like that has potential uses, it's just that they can't be done because of Apple's insistence on being so restrictive with it and, as a result, it's more or less a fashion accessory currently.
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I have yet to actually see anyone with an iPad. That could be due to how ridiculously expensive it is here. It's price ranges from $1150 to $1350 depending on the model. I did manage to find one in a specialty shop for $1000 but it was the 16GB model with only WiFi (no 3G support).
I think tactile devices in general would work well for my parents, so I can see something like the iPad being useful for someone like my Mom, who's not particularly tech savvy, but it's too extravagant (not that I'd spare any expense for my mother).