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Games => General Gaming => Topic started by: idolminds on Friday, September 03, 2010, 10:03:36 AM
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UPDATE: New trailer! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5svP9Wu0nk)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/29nyvzr.jpg)
We'll know more by tonight. But Duke is back.
Guess we know more now (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/09/03/controversial-long-awaited-duke-nukem-forever-will-finally-be-released/)
The game is currently expected to ship in 2010 although given it’s history Pitchford is understandably reluctant to be more specific. “We’re in the polishing phase now. This is a game where we can not make a promise we can not fulfill,” he says. “We need to get past the shock and awe and then we can go to all the retailers and first parties and work out a launch plan.”
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:yawn
This game is 10 years too late. At least once it's out people will stop talking about it. But seriously guys, these games weren't exactly top tier in their heyday, much less now. I think it's pretty safe to say that we've all moved on from the type of humor displayed in these games. Not to mention it's been done way better since.
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I think it's pretty safe to say that we've all moved on
I'm watching a stream of people playing in from 2K: http://www.ustream.tv/2kgameslive
I actually set my alarm and got up early for it.
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Im waiting for a downloadable trailer to hit the net.
I'd like to think I've moved on from that humor, but I'll still watch stupid 80s action hero movies. Duke fits right in.
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Yeah, I posted about it in the DNF thread (http://www.overwritten.net/forum/index.php?topic=1680.80) yesterday about Broussard's tweet alluding that DNF is done in the opening post (like how my new style of updating is done)...
...But I forgot to bump the thread, like a goofball. :-X
EDIT:
IGN -> Impressions from PAX on DNF. (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/111/1118240p1.html)
G4TV -> Impressions from PAX on DNF. (http://g4tv.com/games/xbox-360/43893/duke-nukem-forever/articles/72043/duke-nukem-forever-hands-on-preview-yes-really/)
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Kotaku -> DNF - Gameplay Footage Video. (http://kotaku.com/5629655/your-first-look-at-duke-nukem-forever-in-action)
Kotaku -> DNF - Gallery of screenshots and stuff from PAX 2010. (http://kotaku.com/5629778/the-duke-nukem-forever-pax-demo-a-not+for+kids-photo-gallery/gallery/)
Awesome @ a single key just for "BEER"
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/09/img_1712-w1000.jpg)
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Fuck it, I'm into it. I really dug all the footage they showed before after things supposedly shut down.
So... what happened? Was that a hoax or something? Did they manage to get funding from another publisher?
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Fuck it, I'm into it. I really dug all the footage they showed before after things supposedly shut down.
So... what happened? Was that a hoax or something? Did they manage to get funding from another publisher?
I'm guessing 3DR won the court battle, or at least settled in a manner than allowed them to keep the rights to the IP. Randy Pitchford is apparently ex-3DR, as well as some other Gearbox employees, so they were the perfect match for someone to finish the game. (plus, you know, they've actually released a number of titles)
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GameSpot -> Impressions on the DNF found at PAX. (http://pax.gamespot.com/story/6275192/duke-nukem-forever-hands-on-impressions?tag=topslot;thumb;2)
Destructoid -> Impressions and screens of DNF at PAX. (http://www.destructoid.com/i-played-duke-nukem-forever-today-what-the-f-ck--183108.phtml)
Do you know how you can tell that a game is going to be something special? When its demo ends with the main character getting his dick sucked by twins, then admits that his game better be good because it "took twelve fucking years" to make.
LMFAO!!! ;D
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Beer button? Cool. Twins and Fellatio? That might honestly be a bit much.
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Twins and Fellatio? That might honestly be a bit much.
Well, obviously not for Duke. ;D
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Fuck it, I'm into it. I really dug all the footage they showed before after things supposedly shut down.
I'm with Que on this. I'm not necessarily excited about the game but I dug the original Duke 3D and thought the recent footage of Forever was pretty impressive.
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Best picture I've seen come out of the recent news.
(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/8429/1503019-duke2001receipt_super.png)
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Even when 3D Realms was shut down and everyone thought DNF was dead, I wished it hadn't been. I wasn't lying to myself, making myself think it would come back, I just wished it would. I don't think I could have ever lost my interest in this game. No, I don't expect it to be amazing or blow everything else away, but it's drastically different in style from what we have these days, and there's a lot of nostalgia for me in Duke Nukem. The game could get terrible reviews and be universally hated, and I would still want to play it just to see how it turned out, especially after all these years.
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Even when 3D Realms was shut down and everyone thought DNF was dead, I wished it hadn't been. I wasn't lying to myself, making myself think it would come back, I just wished it would. I don't think I could have ever lost my interest in this game. No, I don't expect it to be amazing or blow everything else away, but it's drastically different in style from what we have these days, and there's a lot of nostalgia for me in Duke Nukem. The game could get terrible reviews and be universally hated, and I would still want to play it just to see how it turned out, especially after all these years.
I'm so glad Duke is still alive - I can't wait to see the day this drops. Like when Daikatana dropped - everybody's gonna be curious how Duke turned out. Except - yeah, I don't think Duke's gonna suck.
A lot of the comedy - whether ridiculous, silly, off-the-wall, witty, or just straight-up crudeness we knew from games back in the days - think like anything from any wacky adventure game from LucasArts in the 90's (Monkey Island series, Maniac Mansion series, Sam & Max, etc), Postal series, Fallout series (not including FO3), and Duke Nukem - were very abundant in gaming; especially in the 90's.
I don't know - but somewhere in along the line, the over-abundance of humor got lost and gaming got overly serious in the last decade, for the most part - especially true when gaming went fully 3D. It's a breath of fresh air to see Sam & Max return, GLADOS not shut-up in Portal, Psychonauts, Borderlands with its over-the-top humor, and probably other funny games that I can't think of at this moment in time come about. It's also cool to see crazy old-school style-shooters like Serious Sam series, Painkiller and the upcoming Bulletstorm come into the fold, as well - as these games don't really take themselves seriously. DNF is going to be welcome to join this club of games w/ its sense of humor and old-school style mentality.
Like you - I don't expect DNF to be the best game ever. After 12 years, it should be - but I don't think it's going to carry a fantastic story, character development, or really push the genre ahead in any new way. That's not what Duke is about. I do expect it to be a freakin' hella' fun-ass wild-as-sin ride, though.
After all these years, I booted-up some DN3D today in EDuke32 - that game still is accessible as hell and just a riot to play. :)
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After all these years, I booted-up some DN3D today in EDuke32 - that game still is accessible as hell and just a riot to play. :)
Yea, I was playing some Duke3D on XBLA last night. (Thanks George Broussard, for giving codes away on your twitter.) It's still a blast. The ONLY thing that bugs me about it is the odd way things look when you look up or down.
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Oh, yeah. Old raycaster. Verticals are always, well, vertical, regardless of perspective on everything else. Can't look too far up or down before things look really weird.
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Looks like Gearbox now totally owns the Duke franchise. (http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=110235)
George Broussard mentions (http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23904881)...
...and Triptych Games which continued the game for us through all of 2009 and into 2010 with Gearbox. Triptych is made up of 9 3DR employees who refused to let the game go and we found a way through the legal maze to keep them working on the game and to keep the game alive. They have been the development force for the last year that's made the game possible.
What you see coming from PAX right now is what we originally made at 3DR with polish and additional work by Triptych and assistance from Gearbox. http://www.triptychgames.com/
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That sounds pretty good actually. I get the feeling Gearbox can carry the classic shooter style into this generation and onward, as they demonstrated with Borderlands.
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From Tramell Issac's blog, who is an ex-3DR Employee.
He's currently an Art Director at Sony Online Entertainment, BTW. (http://talkinrealatyou.blogspot.com/2010/09/ride-continues.html)
Let me break this down for you. 85% of the work you see coming out of PAX is from our group at 3dr. 10% Triptych (the last 10% is the hardest ask any game developer) Which leaves 5% for the guys at Gearbox (with help from Triptych). To be perfectly honest, that Gearbox percentage could be plus or minus a few points. Bottomline, DNF was damn near completion if not completed when Gearbox got it (PC version). I'm not trying to discount anyones efforts as I have nothing to gain at this point. I just want to the truth out there in some form or fashion.
So heres the truth... Gearbox was handed a game that was pretty close to finish (pc version), polished it, ported it to the Ps3 and x360 then goes to PAX and says crap like that.
EDIT:
More stuff from Isaac's blog. (http://talkinrealatyou.blogspot.com/2010/09/dnf-wtf-wake-freak.html)
EDIT 2:
GameSetWatch -> Article on Pitchford talking about how Gearbox wound-up w/ Duke Nukem IP. (http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2010/09/indepth_pitchford_on_how_gearb.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gamesetwatch+%28GameSetWatch%29)
EDIT 3:
Duke's got a bad-ass pizza - this is from PAX. (http://kotaku.com/5630721/thank-duke-nukem-for-this-pizza?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+kotaku%2Ffull+%28Kotaku%29)
I'm not a big fan of Papa John's, but that's a cool pizza...
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/09/500x_pizza2-w1200.jpg)
EDIT 4 - 9/7/2010:
Destructoid -> Interview w/ Jon St. John (the voice of Duke Nukem). (http://www.destructoid.com/pax-10-exclusive-chat-with-the-voice-of-duke-nukem--183260.phtml)
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From Tramell Issac's blog, who is an ex-3DR Employee.
He's currently an Art Director at Sony Online Entertainment, BTW. (http://talkinrealatyou.blogspot.com/2010/09/ride-continues.html)
I don't really get what he's so bitter about and I'm kind of assuming he just read something the wrong way.
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I don't know who's telling the truth. Is the truth what Gearbox is saying, or was the game 95% complete before they got it (which is what he's saying)? They are 2 very different stories. I can see him being bitter if he lived his story.
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I don't really get what he's so bitter about and I'm kind of assuming he just read something the wrong way.
I dont get how he comes off like hes proud of finishing a game that took over a decade to make.
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Well people seem excited and they like the demo, if I had done all that work I wouldn't be happy about getting zero credit for it.
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I guess, but I wouldnt say 3DRealms is getting zero credit, I didnt see Pitchfords comments saying that.
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I guess, but I wouldnt say 3DRealms is getting zero credit, I didnt see Pitchfords comments saying that.
Destructoid -> Video interview w/ Randy Pitchford from PAX. (http://www.destructoid.com/gearbox-s-randy-pitchford-talks-duke-nukem-forever-183386.phtml)
Pitchford definitely does mention Triptych working on the game and all, after 3DR shut-down.
More from Tramell Issac - his latest blog entry. (http://talkinrealatyou.blogspot.com/2010/09/other-side-of-discussion.html)
EDIT - 9-10-2010:
Shacknews -> Interview w/ Gearbox's Steve Gibson on DNF (who actually founded Shacknews, some time ago...) (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/65514)
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VG247 -> Gearbox is working w/ retailers to try to do something for those who have OLD pre-orders on DNF. (http://www.vg247.com/2010/10/07/gearbox-working-with-retailers-on-old-pre-orders-for-duke-nukem-forever/)
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Giant Bomb is doing their Thursday Night Throwdown, and they've got Michael Pachter, and they just had Jon St. John (voice of Duke Nukem) on the phone. not sure how much longer it's supposed to last.
http://www.giantbomb.com/chat/
EDIT: And now they're talking on the phone with George Broussard.
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TRAILER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5svP9Wu0nk)
Coming May 3rd in NA, May 6 in other places.
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Heh, no longer vaporware and it appears to be coming out on consoles as well.
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_71LxQTgQSQI/S9KOrWaKCqI/AAAAAAAAAJA/WdF0IPRmADg/s400/Meh_cat.jpg)
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Haha, I'm still excited to see it come out, I don't care what anybody says. That was an awesome trailer.
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That trailer is freakin' epic.
Looks awesome. :)
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That trailer was pretty great. Made me laugh. I don't think it's going to be an awesome game or anything. Might be worth a play through. But I dunno. We'll see.
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Balls of Steel Edition announced
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91RhsaY52aL._AA1500_.jpg)
In addition to a copy of the legendary shooter, the Duke Nukem Forever Balls of Steel Edition includes:
Collectible bust of the greatest alien ass-kicker of all-time
Numbered, limited-edition certificate of authenticity
100-page hardcover book: The History, Legacy & Legend: Duke Nukem Forever Art from the Vault
Duke Nukem Forever postcard series
Duke Nukem Forever radioactive emblem sticker
Duke Nukem Forever collectible comic book
Duke Nukem Forever foldable paper craft
Duke Nukem Forever poker chips
Duke Nukem Forever mini-card deck
Duke Nukem Forever radioactive emblem dice
Priced at $99.99, the Duke Nukem Forever Balls of Steel Edition will be available exclusively through GameStop and Amazon in the United States. Quantities will be limited, so be sure to pre-order as soon as you can!
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Oh hell yes, I will have to get that. $99.99 is not a bad price for all of that stuff.
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That BOS Edition is awesome.
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Shacknews -> Interview w/ Steve Gibson on DNF. (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/67492)
IGN -> DNF preview. (http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/02/11/duke-nukem-forever-video-preview)
Worthplaying -> DNF preview. (http://worthplaying.com/article/2011/2/9/previews/79741/)
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I might have to call the expensive edition a belated birthday present to myself. It may say something about my intelligence level, but I still love Duke.
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The day I posted this the BoS info, I preordered on Amazon. I just checked, and both the PC and Xbox versions of the Balls of Steel edition are listed as not available for PC and Xbox. They must have hit their limit on preorders for those platforms already.
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I think I read somewhere that they were only making something on the order of a few thousand copies of the limited edition. I guess it really is/was a limited edition (for once).
Edit: Yeah. A run of 2000. (http://www.giantbomb.com/news/duke-nukem-forever-balls-of-steel-edition-detailed/2918/)
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There is no doubt in my mind that Duke is secretly gay.
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Well, shit. That sucks that they sold out of the collector's editions already, I was planning on grabbing it with my next paycheck this week.
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DNF uses Steamworks (http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=117553)
FUCK!
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Idol, you gonna wait for Steam-sale to buy it?
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No. I'm just not going to buy it, period.
Of course my brother plans on buying the PS3 version so he can play so I'll probably end up playing it, but fuck the PC version, fuck Gearbox, fuck 2K, and fuck Steam.
(can you tell I'm raging right now?)
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I saw the Steamworks news and I came here to see rage. And I found it.
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W7re made me laugh.
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Maybe I'll get the console version... if I get the game at all.
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So considering canceling my preorder. Ugh.
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Well, this doesn't deter me. It would be nice if it wasn't tied to Steam, but it isn't a deal breaker for me.
In any case, I probably won't get it until next Christmas. I'm just not much of a gamer any more.
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Well, I don't mind Steam so much. Though it does matter anyway, my preorder is for the Xbox 360 version. ;D
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Destructoid -> DNF's credits are so epic, Gearbox launched a website for The Credits to the game. (http://www.destructoid.com/duke-nukem-forever-hail-to-the-credits-baby-194895.phtml)
Eurogamer -> Interview w/ Randy Pitchford on DNF. (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-23-duke-nukem-forever-this-s-looks-gnarlier-than-gears-of-war-interview)
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Remember the Duke Nukem Early Access codes you got by buying the Borderlands GOTY Edition? (supposed to give you early demo access and extra in game stuff) I just got a code from Amazon because of my DNF preorder. It does give me access to anything yet, other than some wallpapers, but it let me sign up on the early access site and had me choose a platform.
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*sigh* (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/03/duke-nukem-forever-includes-butt-slapping-capture-the-babe-mode.ars)
There will be 10 multiplayer maps included in the game, and the modes include Dukematch, Team Dukematch, Hail to the King (King of the Hill), and Capture the Babe. That's right, instead of flags you'll be grabbing and fighting over human women, and every so often one of them will freak out, requiring you to administer a little slap to bring her back to her senses.
To be honest, my first thought upon hearing this news was that it was a misprint of some kind, but when publications began getting official clarification stating that you'd be slapping the women on the butt while they were slung over your shoulders, I began to take it a little more seriously. Duke Nukem games have always treated women as objects to lust over, and the most interaction you had with women in prior games consisted of paying them to strip for you. Gaming has grown up, to some extent, and the gamers who grew up playing these games are also a little older, so it will be worth watching to see how this sort of humor plays with contemporary audiences. But there's no way around the fact that there's some offensive misogyny going on here. What's next, rebooting a movie like Blazing Saddles, complete with racial slurs?
Ok, first off if anyone even thinks about touching a Mel Brooks movie other than Mel Brooks, then they should be killed on sight. PS, Blazing Saddles without the racial slurs wouldn't even be the same kind of movie. Its basically the entire premise (A black sheriff? Unheard of!).
Secondly, treating women as objects is bad. I wish I could play as an impossibly muscled, alien killing, world saving badass without all those...what do you call them? Stereotypes?
Thirdly
(http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/1225003176_APGME-L.jpg)
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Oh my God man, people are blowing this out of proportion, it's Duke Nukem. We expect ass-slapping shenanigans! Would it have been better if the slapping was across their faces?
I think a lot of these recent issues with games and sexuality (Duke Nukem Forever, Mass Effect, Dragon Age 2, etc.) only really come up in the enws because of the consoles and the general public's association with "children use these!" I doubt we'd hear this much backlash if these games (or their sexual content) were PC exclusive.
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What blows my mind is he goes on to mention Blazing Saddles in the most useless context he could hope to. What a fucking idiot.
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I may not find PA all that amusing, but my respect for them grows.
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Duke Nukem Forever Delayed Until June, Gearbox Maintains Sense of Humor. (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/duke_nukem_forever_delayed_until_june_gearbox_maintains_sense_humor)
We know, we know, as crazy and unfathomable as it sounds, Duke Nukem Forever's launch is being pushed back. Who would have guessed? Okay, so maybe everyone could have anticipated yet another delay, but at least this time it's only being held back a month and will ship in June (hopefully) instead of May, as originally planned (actually, it was originally supposed to ship over a decade ago). Still, we have to hand it to Gearbox for keeping a sense of humor about the whole thing, which is really all they can do given DNF's comical history of delays.
"We thank Duke's fans for their continued patience -- I promise this won't take another 15 years," says 2K President Christoph Harmann in a statement.
There's a video announcement in the link as well.
It's almost expected but worthwhile if it means a better product. I just hope it had nothing to do with the women and the spanking.
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If they take that out, I'm going to be pissed just based on the fact that they pussied out over some BS.
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If they take that out, I'm going to be pissed just based on the fact that they pussied out over some BS.
Yeah, I kinda expect Gearbox of all devs to stand up to the BS and do what they want to do.
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If they do anything, they should make a toggle option so you can carry around a half-naked dude if you don't want women. Lets see the outrage then.
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You just knew Foxnews would be all over DNF's shenanigans... (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/03/25/duke-nukem-dustup-games-capture-babe-mode-players-slapping-women/)
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*sigh* (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/03/duke-nukem-forever-includes-butt-slapping-capture-the-babe-mode.ars) Ok, first off if anyone even thinks about touching a Mel Brooks movie other than Mel Brooks, then they should be killed on sight. PS, Blazing Saddles without the racial slurs wouldn't even be the same kind of movie. Its basically the entire premise (A black sheriff? Unheard of!).
Secondly, treating women as objects is bad. I wish I could play as an impossibly muscled, alien killing, world saving badass without all those...what do you call them? Stereotypes?
I missed this until now. Reading that, I had to scroll back up to check the name of the writer because as soon as I read "Offensive misogyny" I assumed it was written by a female pseudo-academic (most likely philosophy major...possibly my old ethics professor). It's a bit of an exaggeration. If anything, it's demeaning, but misogynistic? That's a whole different level and nothing he describes really fits the bill. Regardless, the guy's an idiot and his Blazing Saddles line really brings it to light. It's not a hard movie to "get". The satire isn't particularity deep and yet it seems he walked away thinking he just watched something else.
Oh, and Mel Brooks is planning a Blazing Saddles musical. So, one might say a reboot.
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Here's a movie which, in 1973, casts a black man as the hero of an old Western town who defeats all the evil white establishment, and wins the hearts and minds of the racist townies. Then this moron who is probably too young to have seen it in its proper context goes and trashes it obliquely in a context that doesn't remotely apply. Nice journalism.
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It's the Internet. There is no journalism here. Only blogging.
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Babes Trailer. (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/711681/duke-nukem-forever-babes-trailer-features-babes/)
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PC Version's System Requirements. (http://www.destructoid.com/behold-the-pc-specs-for-duke-nukem-forever--200290.phtml)
Minimum Specifications
OS: Windows XP/Vista/7
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2.0 Ghz / AMD Athlon 64 X2 @ 2.0 Ghz
Memory: 1 Gb
Hard Drive: 10 Gb free
Video Memory: 256 MB
Video Card: nVidia GeForce 7600 / ATI Radeon HD 2600
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
Recommended Specifications
OS: Windows XP/Vista/7
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2.4 Ghz / AMD Athlon 64 X2 @ 2.6 Ghz
Memory: 2 Gb
Hard Drive: 10 Gb free
Video Memory: 512 MB
Video Card: nVidia GeForce 8800 GTS / ATI Radeon HD 3850
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
OTHER REQUIREMENTS & SUPPORTS
Initial installation requires one-time internet connection for Steam authentication;
software installations required (included with the game) include Steam Client, Microsoft DirectX, Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable (ATL), Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable, and AMD Dual Core Optimizer. (AMD optimizer required only for specific AMD processors to run the game correctly, but installs for all of them.)
Software license terms available at www.take2games.com/eula.
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Screw Vaporware!
It's GOLDEN and coming on June 14th in NA; June 10th Internationally.. (http://www.bluesnews.com/a/2349/2k-games-and-gearbox-software-announce-duke-nukem-forever-has-gone-gold)
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Duke Nukem Forever - Fully Loaded Edition (PC). (http://www.destructoid.com/duke-nukem-forever-fully-loaded-comes-with-graphics-card-202336.phtml)
(http://bulk2.destructoid.com/ul/202336-header.jpg)
PC games don't often get special editions like their console counterparts, so it's interesting to not only see Duke Nukem Forever get one, but get one that is uniquely designed to the platform. Duke Nukem Forever: Fully Loaded comes with a limited edition GTX 560 graphics card, you see.
Here's the full package:
Limited edition EVGA GeForce GTX 560 graphics card.
Art book.
Mousepad.
Belt buckle.
Duke Nukem Forever.
It's unique, I'll give 'em that. Especially when you consider the fact that you really, really won't need a new graphics card to play this game. At least if you're a big enough PC gamer to want this version.
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Eeesh, I wonder how much that'll cost!
It might b worthwhile if you were already planning to grab a GTX560.
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Bluenews -> FREE DNF MP DLC planned for those who are members w/ DNF First Access Club. (http://www.bluesnews.com/s/122326/dnf-mp-dlc-free-for-first-access-club)
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Yep, got the e-mail from First Access Club.
UPDATE:
Got access to the DNF demo! Get code from First Access Club and download via Steam!
~1.7GB Downloading now.
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Yep, got the e-mail from First Access Club.
UPDATE:
Got access to the DNF demo! Get code from First Access Club and download via Steam!
~1.7GB Downloading now.
Same here.
DOWNLOADING!
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So, what you think of the Demo, Xessive? Or anybody else that played it?
Graphics...are not spectacular by any means. Had it running all the way up w/ no problems. Eh, not impressed here, technically - didn't expect to be, either.
If this came out a few years ago - this would've been something to look at.
Duke can only hold two gun-weapons at once and some tossing weapons (pipe bombs).
Not sure how I feel about this - I'm use to Duke carrying like 10+ guns and switching through them - a la DN3D.
Makes the game more strategic on what to carry, though.
Gunplay sure feels pretty good.
The typical Duke guns return - Shrink Ray, Ripper gun, Handgun, Shotgun.
The new RAILGUN kicks ass.
EGO meter is your health and can regenerate. No cover system like Gears and many other things, but expect to take cover behind things - A LOT. And expect them to get destroyed, too.
Jon St. John as Duke w/ those one-liners are great. :)
I do want more. Surely, this isn't enough Duke to really give me too much of an opinion - just like how I felt about Crysis 2 Demo and Dragon Age 2 Demo. Just as it's getting going, it feels like I get cut-off way too quickly. I dunno - maybe I should stay away from demos or something b/c they seem to be leaving me feeling, "Geez...that's it for content?"
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I can't say I'm feeling it. After 15 minutes I didn't even feel like finishing the demo, but I can't really give a good solid reason why. The movement, gunplay, and visuals just didn't feel like they were gelling into a solid game. That's sort of interesting to me because it seems like a game very much in need of fine tuning and tightening, but clearly the content is there. Maybe this is what 3D Realms got stuck on and Gearbox just said fuck it, did what they could to tie up loose content ends, and pushed it out.
Clearly, that's guessing a lot from 15 minutes of a demo but when a shooter doesn't immediately feel good when your shooting there's a problem.
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I liked it. I thought the demo gave a fair taste of what to expect. The best part for me was that it felt like classic Duke3D brought into current times. It really feels like a game that was developed by true fans of the original.
It's tough to judge the game based on the demo but if its objective was to convince me to get buy the full game: mission accomplished; I'm sold.
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Evil Avatar updated on twitter:
Anyone who has a pre-order out there for Duke Nukem Forever, I suggest you cancel your pre-order now. Wait for the reviews.
Ruh-roh.
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Damn it! I went through a lot of lengths to pre-order two copies since it's banned here!
EDIT:
The Evil Avatar forums posters seem to be among the few who complain that they hated the demo.
Honestly I liked the demo; it was exactly what I expected and it showed off some of the gameplay without giving away too much.
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PCGamer review (http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/10/duke-nukem-forever-review/)
80/100
The biggest sadness is that DNF has adopted the Halo-style two-weapon system, which frequently forced me to abandon my beloved Shrink Ray for lack of ammo.
Boo-urns! That should be the first Duke mod, let you carry and switch between all weapons.
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So it ended up being a huge steaming pile of shit.
There's a shocker.
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What a disappointment. (http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/duke-nukem-forever) Has anything with that much of a troubled history ever worked out well?
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Joystiq -> 2 stars. (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/10/duke-nukem-forever-review-fail-to-the-king-baby/)
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From Joystiq:
A big part of the problem is actually the game's one truly distinguishing feature: its attitude, or at least its attempt at one. Times have changed, but the character of Duke Nukem -- his quips lifted from countless '80s and '90s era action films and his objectification of women equaled only by older Arnold Schwarzenegger roles -- is stuck in a bygone era. Jokes that may have spurred laughter all those years ago simply had me shaking my head, wondering if even a 12-year-old would find them funny ... even though, at that age, they wouldn't be able to buy the M-rated title. But why have that rating, even? If anything, a largely bloodless game that has its tone set in the opening moments when the player is instructed to pull the right trigger to take a piss, and can pick up – then throw – a piece of human poop from a toilet just moments later, is surely just ture. That could really be said about its writing and design in general. Want to play the true successor to Duke Nukem 3D? It's called Bulletstorm.
So Duke is totally low brow and crude, and thats bad. Then you point at Bulletstorm? "Dicktits" Bulletstorm? "You scared the dick off me" Bulletstorm?
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From Joystiq: So Duke is totally low brow and crude, and thats bad. Then you point at Bulletstorm? "Dicktits" Bulletstorm? "You scared the dick off me" Bulletstorm?
I think his point is everything about DNF is completely out-of-touch and old, when compared to Bulletstorm - the graphics, the writing, and the game design.
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I think the point is, "One of these games took the spirit of a 15 year old game and did something that took it to the next level, is engaging, and works. The other is Duke Nukem Forever"
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I completely posted that without looking at D's post, btw. Creepy.
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I think the point is, "One of these games took the spirit of a 15 year old game and did something that took it to the next level, is engaging, and works. The other is Duke Nukem Forever"
Agreed.
He explained the reasons for his opinion on Bulletstorm being DNF's successor in the paragraph following his statement.
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From a gameplay perspective I have no doubt Bulletstorm is more modern. But I took that paragraph to talk about the "attitude" and humor of Duke and then compared it to Bulletstorm as if one wasn't immature.
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From a gameplay perspective I have no doubt Bulletstorm is more modern. But I took that paragraph to talk about the "attitude" and humor of Duke and then compared it to Bulletstorm as if one wasn't immature.
The whole entire article from start to finish talks about how OLD everything is - repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly. Sometimes, he's quite in your face w/ it - sometimes, it's subtle. "Everything about DNF is OLD" is basically the theme of this entire review.
That paragraph subtlety is talking about the AGE of Duke's attitude - from the 80's and 90's era of action movies w/ Arnold. It's OLD and been done before (especially by obviously Duke Nukem 3D). He throws into the 12 year old line purposely - to mention how out of touch kids playing this game would NOT "get" Duke...and likely probably all the pop culture references he'll make to much older stuff. These jokes won't be funny to them - it'll fly over their heads.
That paragraph you quotes - especially w/ the [jaw-dropping] final thesis statement - was also a set-up for the following paragraph, where he displays why he prefers Bulletstorm.
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I like how D thinks he needs to explain the article to us.
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I don't know why everyone's having such a bad time with it, I'm enjoying it! It feels like Duke with a modern twist.
In terms of graphics, I like them. I keep hearing "dated" the visuals are but honestly I don't see it. The graphics are the same awesome ones we've seen in the videos over the last 6 months (and the demo), so I don't understand why the complaints are coming now and not when the first screens/footage were seen. It could be linked to the ignorant minds out there, for example my own brother cannot distinguish between art style and technical graphics so he often says stuff like "These graphics are crap!" when he actually means that the art style doesn't appeal to him i.e. comparing Mirror's Edge to God of War 1. He also mistakenly judges a game's graphics based on pre-rendered cutscenes etc.
The only issues I'm having with DNF are some technical bugs, like the nearly-game-breaking input lock bug, which apparently seems linked to the Steam Overlay. Basically, after the loading sequence all controls will be locked and I can't even open the menu, the only option is to Alt+F4 out of the game. The current workaround is to wait for the loading to complete, then right after I hit space to continue I switch to the Steam Overlay, once the game screen fades in I can switch back and everything is dandy. Kinda annoying but I expect this will be addressed in a patch.
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Now I haven't played the game or the demo, but personally, I expected this game would get leveled just because everyone seems to want it to fail. I don't really know why everyone seems personally insulted about all the stuff it went through, but people sometimes jump on bandwagons when it comes to bashing something, even when there's no real good reason for it. A lot of people don't even give something a chance when the tide starts to sway in a negative direction, and just jump on board with where the general consensus seems to be.
Either way, I'll reserve judgment until I actually play it, but I don't find the negative reception at all surprising. And I'm betting that I'm going to enjoy it just fine because I *like* old-school shooters and there haven't been that many decent ones of late. The stupid humor probably isn't going to do a whole hell of a lot for me, but it never really did, to be perfectly honest. It was mildly amusing, but I was mostly there to shoot shit. And the setting and concept were funny, and also nostalgic because I was one of the relatively few who'd played every last bit of Duke up to that point, the original PC episodes and the awesome-for-its-time Duke 2.
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I don't know why everyone's having such a bad time with it, I'm enjoying it! It feels like Duke with a modern twist.
B/c people are spending $50-60 on what they feel should be a masterpiece for a game in the making for over 14 F'N years.
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I'm pretty sure that anyone who expected it to be a "masterpiece" is a fucking idiot and deserves to have wasted their money.
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I'm pretty sure that anyone who expected it to be a "masterpiece" is a fucking idiot and deserves to have wasted their money.
I'm betting this is what people want after 14+ years...a masterpiece.
I'm hoping the full version is really somewhere close to PC Gamer's review (80%).
Definitely waiting for price-drop.
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I think that's one thing that's going to make review really mixed-to-negative. People have built up this image in their head about what this game should be like after 14 years of development and instead of judging the game simply on its own merits they will compare it to this fantasy game that nothing can actually live up to.
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I'm treating it like it was in development for 2-3 years (since Gearbox got it) just because I feel it would be unfair to put the entire history of DNF on Gearbox's rendition. Aside from the IP, how much of 3DRealms' material is in there?
The game now feels like Gearbox's offspring. Much of the humour is typically Duke Nukem style but knowing Randy Pitchford, you really start to see Gearbox's influence. They have taken shots are everything with DNF! Dead Space, Halo, and even Christian Bale are indirectly referenced in DNF! It's pretty funny.
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B/c people are spending $50-60 on what they feel should be a masterpiece for a game in the making for over 14 F'N years.
I would spend $50-60 only on a masterpiece now. Everything else has to be way cheaper. I wasn't expecting a masterpiece, but I had hoped for at least very good. What I'm reading here is that the game is getting slammed mostly for its age, not its gameplay or technology. I have to try the demo (if I ever stop refusing the Xbox Spring update). If that goes well, then I'll wait for the price to drop. With the bad reviews, that may not take long.
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I would spend $50-60 only on a masterpiece now. Everything else has to be way cheaper.
Agreed.
Especially in this era where games can drop in price really fast - especially on the PC.
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Eurogamer -> 3 [out of 10]. (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-12-duke-nukem-forever-review)
[Please note that we reviewed the game on Xbox 360, but Digital Foundry's Richard Leadbetter informs us that the PC version plays much better. "It's a complete mess on 360 - sub-HD resolutions, hugely obtrusive screen-tear, terrible aliasing, low frame rate," he says. "All of these things can be remedied by playing the game on PC. It doesn't transform it into a good game, but it makes it much easier on the eye and certainly smoother, far more responsive and thus more enjoyable to play." Look out for Rich's full Duke Nukem Forever Face-Off very soon. -Ed.]
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Wall Street Journal - "Not worth the wait." (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/06/11/duke-nukem-forever-wasnt-worth-the-wait/)
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Everybody seems fixated on the idea that the game was in development for 12-14 years and therefore it must be phenomenal. However, the truth is the game has only been technically in development since Gearbox bought the IP and revived the long dead project, which was about 2 years ago.
I'm enjoying it so far. It does seem a little archaic, using some old-fashioned gaming conventions but it's not necessarily bad. I haven't finished it yet but so far it's rating about 7/10 so far.
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I just wanted to add that no matter what the general reception of the game is, Gearbox will bear the merit of resuscitating the dead franchise. Even if the masses dislike it, the few fans who do like it will recognize that and keep Gearbox on the radar.
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"It's a complete mess on 360 . . ."
Then I'll never buy it at any price.
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REVIEWS
Destructoid -> 2 [of 10]. (http://www.destructoid.com/review-duke-nukem-forever-203658.phtml)
The Escapist -> 2 stars (of 5). (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/reviews/8949-Duke-Nukem-Forever-Review)
Cheat Code Central -> 2.6 (out of 5). (http://cheatcc.com/pc/rev/dukenukemforeverreview2.html#.TfbDj0eezx4)
GamePro -> X360 and PS3 - 3 stars (out of 5). (http://www.gamepro.com/article/reviews/220392/review-duke-nukem-forever-360-ps3/)
Bit-Tech -> 50% [out of 100]. (http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2011/06/13/duke-nukem-forever-review/1)
IGN - X360 Review - 5.5 [out of 10]. (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/117/1175639p1.html?_cmpid=ign18)
Strategy Informer -> 7.0 (out of 10) - X360. (http://www.strategyinformer.com/xbox360/dukenukemforever/1527/review.html); PS3; (http://www.strategyinformer.com/ps3/dukenukemforever/1529/review.html) PC. (http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/dukenukemforever/1528/review.html)
ThunderBoltGames.com -> 7 [out of 10]. (http://www.thunderboltgames.com/reviews/article/duke-nukem-forever-review-for-xbox-360.html)
Gamers-Underground.com -> 86 [out of 100]. (http://gamers-underground.com/content/978-review-duke-nukem-forever.html)
Shacknews -> No score, but it is not a good review... (http://www.shacknews.com/article/68890/duke-nukem-forever-review)
From CTRL + ALT + DEL. (http://www.cad-comic.com/)
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I'll actually probably give this a shot at some point. I'm sure it'll hit the bargain bins quickly, and I have a soft spot for 90's shooters. Despite what I said in my first post in this thread...
I mean hell I fully intend to get around to playing the Wolfenstein reboot at some point as well.
But yeah, a game with this much of a troubled history has never worked out well. Once you start rolling through generations of engines, technology, etc then shit just gets convoluted. Too many people have their hands on it, and it just never works out. Game mechanics that are initially introduced are probably revolutionary, but by the time the game hits they are old hat.
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I'll actually probably give this a shot at some point. I'm sure it'll hit the bargain bins quickly, and I have a soft spot for 90's shooters. Despite what I said in my first post in this thread...
I mean hell I fully intend to get around to playing the Wolfenstein reboot at some point as well.
But yeah, a game with this much of a troubled history has never worked out well. Once you start rolling through generations of engines, technology, etc then shit just gets convoluted. Too many people have their hands on it, and it just never works out. Game mechanics that are initially introduced are probably revolutionary, but by the time the game hits they are old hat.
From what I've read, this is a mirror image of the Daikatana situation. Lengthy development time, multiple engine switches, and then disappointment with the end result.
That said, I was a big time 90's gamer, so I have a special place in my heart for Duke Nukem. I will definitely be getting this.
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That seems to be the demographic that's actually enjoying DNF: people who liked DN3D or 90's shooters in general.
Also, if you're looking for the X360 experience without the buggy X360 version of the game the PC version is fully compatible with the X360 gamepad. Even though it is a shooter, the game's pretty couch-gameplay-friendly. This is one of the few shooters I can actually play sitting back comfortably rather than my usual upright-get-in-gear-shooter-game position.
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It may be compatible with the pad, but surely not my ancient PC. I'd love to try it on a good PC.
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It may be compatible with the pad, but surely not my ancient PC. I'd love to try it on a good PC.
Oh yeah.. Hmm, can your PC run Borderlands? If it can you're in luck! If not, then.. yeah.. as you said.
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USA Today -> Interview w/ Allen Blum, the only employee who started and finished working on DNF. (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2011/06/the-history-behind-duke-nukem-and-a-word-from-one-of-his-creators/1)
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GameSpot REVIEW
PC Review - 3.5 [of 10]. (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/duke-nukem-forever/review.html?tag=topslot%3Bthumb%3B1&tag=stitialclk%3Bgamespace)
X360 - 3.0. (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/duke-nukem-forever/review.html)
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GameSpot
PC Review - 3.5 [of 10]. (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/duke-nukem-forever/review.html?tag=topslot%3Bthumb%3B1&tag=stitialclk%3Bgamespace)
X360 - 3.0. (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/duke-nukem-forever/review.html)
Ouch. Pretty scathing. I guess this is why 3D Realms took so long with it. They just couldn't get their ideas to gel.
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1Up -> F grade. (http://www.1up.com/reviews/duke-nukem-forever-review)
ArsTechnica -> "Skip" this game. (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars)
GiantBomb -> 2 stars (of 5). (http://www.giantbomb.com/duke-nukem-forever/61-20721/reviews/)
Videogametalk.com -> 1.5 [of 5] (http://www.videogametalk.com/reviews/1241/duke-nukem-forever/)
Hooked Gamers -> 5 [of 10]. (http://www.hookedgamers.com/x360/duke_nukem_forever/review/article-737.html)
Gamesradar - 6 [of 10]. (http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/duke-nukem-forever/review/duke-nukem-forever-review/a-20110613195512526064/g-20100903112053378011)
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Ouch, that's pretty harsh.
Visually, I think the game does a decent job. It's not phenomenal but it's not bad. The only criticism I'd make is the Depth of Field blur is a bit too much e.g. almost everything is blurry but the item directly under your crosshairs.
I have to try out the multiplayer and see how that pans out.
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It's getting pretty bad reviews almost everywhere, with the best being just mediocre. But the comments offer some hope. They mostly say that the reviewers basically don't get it and that while it isn't a great game it isn't as bad as the media sites are making it seem.
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Yeah, that's my reaction! I'll admit it's not a mind-blowing revolution in gaming but it's not crap either.
My guess is that the major sum of the low scores is due to the high expectations people had for a game that's "been in development for over 12 years" which as I've stated before is an unfair assessment. According to these reactions DNF is worse than The Matrix: Path of Neo or even Daikatana! CURSE YOU DAIKATANA AND JOHN ROMERO!! Which is just not true. It's not perfect but it is far from shite. Bear in mind I am only speaking on my experience with the PC version of the game.
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GameSpy - 2˝ stars [of 5]. (http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/duke-nukem-forever/1176383p1.html)
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That cat's meow:
Duke Nukem's PR Team Turns Hostile after Bad Reviews (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/duke_nukems_pr_team_turns_hostile_after_bad_reviews)
Anyone in need of a lesson in how not to use Twitter or any Web 2.0 outlet to promote a product, here it is. Following the backlash of bad and sometimes venomous reviews of Duke Nukem Forever, the game that, in a sense, has been 14 years in the making, Duke's PR team responded with a knee-jerk Twitter post essentially threatening to blacklist reviewers who were overly critical of DNF from receiving future games.
"#AlwaysBetOnDuke too many went too far with their reviews...we r reviewing who gets games next time and who doesn't based on today's venom," @TheRednerGroup tweeted.
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Yea there is a story on Giantbomb about it. It was just one guy I think, and the PR group has been dropped from 2K games. I mean I know it has to suck being PR for DNF right now, but he did take it too far.
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I can see where he's coming from. It's one thing for a game to get some bad reviews, it's another for a shitstorm like this to happen. As I said, I'm pretty well convinced most reviewers have just jumped on board a bandwagon, and in this industry, it's perfectly acceptable to rip something to absolute shreds in outright hostile fashion, as though the people who made the game raped your mother or killed your dog. It'd be pretty hard not to take that personally if you were involved in something. You'd just have to remember that you're a professional and suck it up. That guy obviously forgot how to do that, and I'll bet his parent company has offered him a severance package already.
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See I don't see the perception of the whole bandwagon hate on Duke. From what I have seen, which is the GB quicklook, the game looks bad. And even over the late years of this whole game's epic development, most gamers now have grown passed the Duke Nukem's humor. Critics are going to judge the game next to what first person shooters are today, which perhaps is the wrong assessment to have on this, or maybe not, I dont know. I don't think DNF should get a pass for being "old school". The reviews really don't surprise me, but I can't really scoff at the press at the same time.
My opinion? I think gearbox has at least had some sort of low expectation for the game's scores and I sort of think they don't really care so much. I believe they went for it because they can be the ones to say, "Hey, we fucking did it, we put DNF out." It even works from a business perspective, anybody whos been gaming as long as we have knows who Duke Nukem is and has at least had some idea about DNF, who gives a crap if its shit, we just want to play it.
What's important is that Duke Nukem Forever is finally out... seriously, its fucking OUT. You know what to expect, its not the second coming of christ, but its out. I do want to play it, its not worth $60 to me, but at some point, I will play DNF and I think there's a whole lot more out there who think the same.
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IMO the "throwback" argument goes out the window anyway when people that are our age are giving the game bad scores. If it was a true throwback they'd find something good to say about it.
No sense in sugar-coating it. If the game is shit, it's shit. I don't really see a bandwagon trend here. It's people calling a spade a spade
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Well, but the fact is neither you, I, or Pyro can say that because we haven't played it. Not saying that isn't an entirely plausible possibility, but I don't think you guys put much more stock into the current epoch of the gaming press than I do, really, and both the press and the gaming public at large are hugely bandwagon-driven. I hear what you're saying about the throwback thing, but I'm not sure I can believe that so readily either. Many consumers and critics who might call themselves "old-school" have grown to expect certain things in big-budget titles just like everyone else, and if they don't get them, a game may automatically be labeled a failure. I think all of us can think of at least a few games we really liked that either the press, the public, or both considered to be total wastes of money.
Again, I'm not so much trying to defend the game as I'm trying to say I'm less quick to accept the collective judgment when most people want to see a game fail. There's been bad blood with this one from years and years back, even from some here on OWnet.
Really, I agree entirely with Pyro's post. The game was a total clusterfuck of development and surely anyone that expected it to be the pinnacle of anything was off their rocker. The fact that it's over and done is a good thing, whether the game rocks or sucks balls. But I still understand PR guy's reaction to the venom a bit. I imagine that's a hard thing to take. A lot of reviewing boils down to bullying, and this is no different from the news media or any other such outlet. People want blood and emotion. People want effusive praise or a nearly Biblical act of fiery condemnation. A review that says, "This game is okay, but nothing great," doesn't ignite any feeling, doesn't net you any new readers, doesn't "count" as a stance in sensationalistic journalism. And let's face it, that's nearly all the mainstays of gaming journalism are anymore.
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I'll just say the DNF Demo left a sour taste in my mouth w/ the gameplay. The demo just didn't feel bad-ass like say DN3D or DN: Manhattan Project - those games just FEEL like Duke is a bad-ass, always rushing into battle, taking on constant assortment of enemies, and having a nice inventory of guns. Other than the humor and the level of interactivity w/ objects - everything else in DNF Demo just felt WAY off to me. It felt w/ DNF Demo where Duke did NOT have many enemies on-screen and was always scrounging for cover, and carrying a max of TWO guns. I hope the DNF Demo is like Dragon Age 2 - where the demo was just rushed and shitty, but the full version was really worth the time, once you got down and spent some time w/ it.
I'll definitely get DNF, when it price-drops - 'cause I'm still interested in it, despite everything.
But, I'm sure part of the reason the game is getting crapped on is b/c people are thinking, "I just paid $60 for something that is not-so-amazing....and took 14-plus years."
At $60, that's a hard pill to swallow. At $20-30 or less - eh, might not be so bad.
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Regardless, all the DNF madness - it got me to reinstall DN3D on Win 7 and I bought DN: Manhattan Project cheap from GOG. We all know DN3D rocks and DN: Manhattan is just a blast of a side-scroller. You know, I don't understand why someone doesn't do a XBLA or Steam modern-day 3D side-scroller like DN: Manhattan - I'd eat that up.
EDIT 2:
Destructoid -> Jim Sterling - "The Duke Delusion: Why Duke Nukem isn't a parody." (http://www.destructoid.com/the-duke-delusion-why-duke-nukem-isn-t-a-parody-203745.phtml?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Destructoid+%28Destructoid%29)
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Interesting article, and pretty well written, but I'm not sure I'm buying his arguments wholesale. Duke is antiquated if he's anything, and I don't mean so much an age or maturity thing for *people* so much as I do for what games themselves have become. Duke 3D was built in the same vein as Monolith's Blood. Super violent, ridiculous, a bit dark, and lots and lots of references and one-liners. That was acceptable then. Blood and Duke 3D were well-loved. I think what may have happened here is that so much effort was put into trying to do the same thing with DNF, it just came off as creepy and disturbing... and that sounds totally logical to me. Duke 3D could very easily have been both of those things, but pixel art and the feel of the Build engine helped to keep it from going too far. Maybe trying to up the ante and make DNF a triple-A title went the same way some comic movies never translate well to the big screen with real actors. The less real, the better.
I'm so curious to play this game now. I honestly want it to be as bad and as creepy as Sterling makes it out to be. I feel like his review just has to be hyperbole... but honestly, at this point I'd be more disappointed if I didn't see the clusterfuck he describes. I'd rather play the monstrosity. I've played hundreds upon hundreds of amazing games in my life. I've spent very little time with bad ones, especially ones that were bad for all the reasons he went into in his review and that little editorial there.
I guess in the end maybe I want Duke to fail just as much as anyone.
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Kotaku - Negative Duke Reviews Could Lead To PR Shit List. (http://kotaku.com/5812131/negative-duke-reviews-could-lead-to-pr-shitlist)
VG247 - Eurogamer is claiming it has been "blacklisted" by 2K over their DNF Review [3 out of 10]. (http://www.vg247.com/2011/06/16/eurogamer-blacklisted-by-2k-claims-its-standard-practice/)
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Interesting article, and pretty well written, but I'm not sure I'm buying his arguments wholesale. Duke is antiquated if he's anything, and I don't mean so much an age or maturity thing for *people* so much as I do for what games themselves have become. Duke 3D was built in the same vein as Monolith's Blood. Super violent, ridiculous, a bit dark, and lots and lots of references and one-liners. That was acceptable then. Blood and Duke 3D were well-loved. I think what may have happened here is that so much effort was put into trying to do the same thing with DNF, it just came off as creepy and disturbing... and that sounds totally logical to me. Duke 3D could very easily have been both of those things, but pixel art and the feel of the Build engine helped to keep it from going too far. Maybe trying to up the ante and make DNF a triple-A title went the same way some comic movies never translate well to the big screen with real actors. The less real, the better.
Hmmm...great point about pixel art and Build Engine.
Do you think a cel-shaded look like Borderlands had might've actually helped DNF out...?
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Destructoid -> Jim Sterling - "The Duke Delusion: Why Duke Nukem isn't a parody." (http://www.destructoid.com/the-duke-delusion-why-duke-nukem-isn-t-a-parody-203745.phtml?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Destructoid+%28Destructoid%29)
Misogyny (mɪˈsɒdʒɪni) is the hatred or dislike of women.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny
I see "misogynistic" used often to describe characters like Duke. The definition surprised me. (It is consistent across several sources.) Duke doesn't hate women in the slightest. He simply ignores the ones who are not hot babes willing to fulfill his desires. :)
Seriously, any article that uses a form of the word "misogyny" gets my guard up. Rabid feminism and I have always been far apart. Duke is clearly a chauvinist who only wants women for his own pleasures. This offends some enough to crucify him and his games gladly, given the slightest opportunity. Personally, I get the most amusement from Duke from the very fact that he exists at all in mass media, during this time of repressive political correctness. The character is over the top, and couldn't possibly be real. Parody or not, he's fantasy, just like his women. Why is he so threatening? In case it isn't obvious by now, I don't agree at all with this article.
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Yeah, that's kind of how I feel about it too. Not because I think he's cool or interesting, or even because I don't understand why someone might be totally put off by stuff, but I don't see the need to be offended. Unless some of the stuff in DNF really is just too far over the line, which is what makes me want to play the game. I tried the demo but had a crash after fiddling with something... it didn't feel quite as nice as I'd have wanted, but it looked pretty good... it really does feel like they were trying to recreate Duke 3D just with more pretty. I don't know if that was a good idea or a terrible one. I guess from the response one would lean toward the latter. But I'm still damned curious.
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People are just too sensitive these days. You hear about the people bitching about the "adopted fatty" thing from Portal 2?
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Yeah, that's kind of how I feel about it too. Not because I think he's cool or interesting, or even because I don't understand why someone might be totally put off by stuff, but I don't see the need to be offended. Unless some of the stuff in DNF really is just too far over the line, which is what makes me want to play the game. I tried the demo but had a crash after fiddling with something... it didn't feel quite as nice as I'd have wanted, but it looked pretty good... it really does feel like they were trying to recreate Duke 3D just with more pretty. I don't know if that was a good idea or a terrible one. I guess from the response one would lean toward the latter. But I'm still damned curious.
We, the fans of Duke Nukem 3D [and his other games], know why Duke is the way he is - everything about Duke is a "homage", "parody", and a "Take" [whatever you wanna call it] on over-the-top take on 80's and 90's action-hero movie characters and movies like that starring Stallone and Arnold. Since we're easily 10-15 years past DN3D, I think what the "modern" gaming world wants and needs is some back-story to Duke and his life - more than cheesy one-liners [especially ones taken from other product], to make him seem more human...namely to make those understand why he's such a chauvinist pig and treats people and things like he does.
Oh, and if they are gonna give Duke some back-story - they better make it bat-shit crazy and very screwed-up. :) Enough that it's both sad...but of course, it's also gotta be funny on some level, since Duke games are usually hilarious.
I really am curious what Gearbox is going to do w/ Duke Nukem brand, since they basically own it. I still wonder what this Duke Begins that Gearbox was working is about and where they are going to take it.
I think some of the "goofing" off and high-interactivity w/ stuff in the game-world that Duke always did might actually lend itself better to say a open-world game experience (Far Cry 2, STALKER series, etc) than say a corridor shooter (like DNF and Call of Duty).
EDIT:
TheJoyPads -> DNF Review - 8 (out of 10). (http://thejoypads.co.uk/duke-nukem-forever-review/)
Destructoid -> Jon St. John slams critics. (http://www.destructoid.com/duke-nukem-voice-actor-slams-clueless-critics-203982.phtml)
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Kotaku - Randy Pitchford on DNF. (http://kotaku.com/5813224/the-man-who-brought-duke-nukem-forever-back-to-life-likens-it-to-a-greasy-hamburger)
Hail To The Burger king
The Man Who Brought Duke Nukem Forever Back To Life Likens It To A Greasy Hamburger
- Michael McWhertor
Who cares if Duke Nukem Forever is "good" or not? It is at least as satisfying as a greasy burger, as catchy as a Ke$ha song or maybe as enjoyable as a performance of Spider-Man: Turn Off The Dark in which no one suffers a debilitating injury. (Or does. Which would make that superhero musical better?)
Randy Pitchford, co-founder of Gearbox Software and instrumental in seeing that Duke Nukem Forever finally shipped on a disc after more than a decade, took to Twitter this week to, well, if not defend his company's new game, then put it in the above context.
(For the record, I've not played Duke Nukem Forever, so I can't comment on its quality, but I'll trust my colleagues who label the game a "full-priced mess" and "not in a good way" offensive. I just wanted to pass on Mr. Pitchford's take.)
"With sales data, It seems like *customers* love Duke," Pitchford tweeted post DNF release. "I guess sometimes we want greasy hamburgers instead of caviar..." That's likely Randy's response to Duke Nukem Forever's critical drubbing from reviewers.
Today, he continued the comparison between Duke Nukem and less selective tastes, writing "looking at DNF for narrative depth: 'It's like Rolling Stone magazine trying to find a deep meaningful message in a Ke$ha song.'"
And on launch day, Pitchford remarked: "So... Spiderman on Broadway finally opened the same day that Duke Nukem Forever shipped. COINCIDENCE?!?" In that they were both reviewed poorly and repeatedly delayed, yes, it is a little eerie.
What's the takeaway? If you're not sick of talking about or defending the long-in-the-making Duke Nukem Forever and you're a fan of grease, pop pap and/or U2 musicals, you may have a kindred gaming soul mate in Randy Pitchford. Me? I'm just excited Gearbox is freed up to get that Borderlands sequel done.
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Thats exactly how I thought he would respond.
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Really, I don't see as there was any other way he could. He put out a product, he has to stand by that, but at the same time he has to acknowledge some of what's been said on one level or another.
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. . . I'm just excited Gearbox is freed up to get that Borderlands sequel done.
My favorite part of the story.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny
I see "misogynistic" used often to describe characters like Duke. The definition surprised me. (It is consistent across several sources.) Duke doesn't hate women in the slightest. He simply ignores the ones who are not hot babes willing to fulfill his desires. :)
Seriously, any article that uses a form of the word "misogyny" gets my guard up. Rabid feminism and I have always been far apart. Duke is clearly a chauvinist who only wants women for his own pleasures. This offends some enough to crucify him and his games gladly, given the slightest opportunity. Personally, I get the most amusement from Duke from the very fact that he exists at all in mass media, during this time of repressive political correctness. The character is over the top, and couldn't possibly be real. Parody or not, he's fantasy, just like his women. Why is he so threatening? In case it isn't obvious by now, I don't agree at all with this article.
Yeah, I don't really get it either. But what I do know is that the guy who wrote that article is a fat sack of useless. This is probably the second or third thing I've come across him in the last month or so. Every single one was pretty much garbage.
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My favorite part of the story.
Oh, I'd love to see Borderlands 2.
Though, I'm also curious to see where they will take Duke Nukem IP w/ Duke Begins...
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Destructoid -> These women are offended by DNF...LMAO! (http://www.destructoid.com/these-women-are-offended-by-duke-nukem-forever-204625.phtml?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Destructoid+%28Destructoid%29&utm_content=FaceBook)
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New DNF MP content coming this Fall. (http://www.2kgames.com/blog/new-duke-nukem-forever-content-arriving-this-fall-come-play-at-2k-headquarters-august-4)
It'll be FREE to only those First Club Access members prior to DNF's released.
Duke Nukem Forever’s First Add-On Content Hail to the Icons Parody Pack, is headed to Xbox 360, PS3, and PC this Fall. The pack contains three new game modes, and four new multiplayer maps – each with new weapons– and, this pack will be FREE to all First Access Club members who registered their FAC membership prior to the launch of Duke Nukem Forever (subject to availability).
Want to know more? Here are some details about what the Parody Pack includes:
Three All-New Modes –
Freeze Tag provides some of the most fun team gameplay in Duke Nukem Forever. Players cooperate to freeze and shatter their opponents in succession for huge point streaks and combos. See who can hold on to the babe the longest in Hot Potato and play free-for-all Duke style in Hail to the King.
Call of Duke – Duke engages in modern combat in a war-torn city. Foes don’t stand a chance against the Duke when he spams the map with the N00b T00b.
Sandpit – Players take the role of mini-Duke in a giant sandbox with two bases at either end made out of children’s toys. This map features Sticky Grenades.
Inferno – Time machine engage! Duke does combat in a hellish landscape of lava and teleporters. Who turned on the 16-bit graphics, and more importantly, where did this DFG come from?
2Forts1Bridge – Hats? Duke doesn’t need no stinking hats. Give him a minigun and he’ll beat off all comers.
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Next DNF PC patch will include 4 weapons for Inventory; Push-to-talk; VAC support; FOV adjustments; and other stuff. (http://www.shacknews.com/article/69486/duke-nukem-forever-update-increases-weapon-slots-on-pc)
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DNF Console Versions likely will NOT get the Inventory expanded to 4 slots. (http://www.shacknews.com/article/69499/duke-nukem-forever-expanded-inventory-update-unlikely-consoles)
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DNF PC patch today. (http://www.gearboxity.com/content/view/701/33/)
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Put 4 hours or so into this in the last 2 days.
At times, it's great and feels like the best shooter ever [when there's actual shooting and it sticks w/ it].
At times, not-so-much - when it's not doing action; which can happen here and there.
Namely, the pacing is ALL over the place - which is the game's BIGGEST problem here.
It's obvious, this game TRIES to do A LOT - and often tries to be more than a shooter.
You can interact in some way w/ MOST objects in the game - often, they're for Ego boost [to your health bar].
Sometimes, Lord knows for what reason they did allow you to interact w/ objects - like it's just there to screw around with for the Hell of it or just to get an Achievement.
Duke can lift weights; drink from water fountains; put his hand in a toilet to pick up crap and toss it; go to the bathroom in a urinal; literally draw on a chalkboard; literally autograph a book for a kid; etc etc.
There's a pinball machine in a gym and you can go to town and actually take time and just go play this pinball game!
You'd think w/ the above nature of the high-level of interactivity w/ objects, the game should've been an open-world game like GTA or Bully.
Sometimes, there's puzzles even - i.e. driving a remote control car in a mini-labyrinth to push an object outside of the little gap in the bottom part of the wall.
Sometimes, succeeds majorly - i.e. a shrunk Duke driving a toy buggy-car trying to escape a bunch of aliens trying to stomp on them.
Other times, fails miserably - i.e. the above mission goes on for TWO missions in a row, which goes on TOO long.
The graphics and animations - yeah, this game feels like it's around 5 years old. While that's expected and all, the up-and-down nature of this game is crazy. What I'm trying to say is - this game is more on and off then a light switch.
When it's great, it's great.
When it's not - yeah, it's NOT.
Oh, and the story - eh, not much going on here, unfortunately. But, that's expected and all, since this is Duke Nukem and all...
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I played for 30 minutes through the OnLive demo and thought it was pretty shitty. I don't think the humor seems like some holdover from the 90's as a time gone by, I think it's just way too over the top with the stupid potty humor. There is just no way to connect to the game, at least for me.
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I think Jon St. Jon is hilarious w/ his one-liners and punchlines.
I wish the story had more to it, from what I've experienced. The boss-fights been pretty kick-ass, though - the BattleLord fight and Mothership fight rocked.
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I thought it was just as ridiculous as the original Duke 3D. I had fun with it.
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I thought it was just as ridiculous as the original Duke 3D. I had fun with it.
Beat the Alien Queen at the Duke Dome last night.
Yeah, that was a tough fight - but still, made it through it.
But, yeah - when the game's on, it's freakin' on.
Seems like the game has gotten better, as it's moved on a little bit.
Namely, once you leave the Lady Killer.