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Games => General Gaming => Topic started by: idolminds on Sunday, May 15, 2011, 07:21:46 PM

Title: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: idolminds on Sunday, May 15, 2011, 07:21:46 PM
Its sad, really. (http://www.develop-online.net/features/1192/Gabe-Newell-on-Valve)

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We’re more looking into what Valve can do with payment services than engine services.

The industry has this broken model, which is one price for everyone. That’s actually a bug, and it’s something that we want to solve through our philosophy of how we create entertainment products.

What you really want to do is create the optimal pricing service for each customer and see what’s best for them. We need to give customers, all of them, a robust set of options regarding how they pay for their content.

An example is – and this is something as an industry we should be doing better – is charging customers based on how much fun they are to play with. Some people, when they join a server, a ton of people will run with them. Other people, when they join a server, will cause others to leave. We should have a way of capturing that. We should have a way of rewarding the people who are good for our community.

So, in practice, a really likable person in our community should get Dota 2 for free, because of past behaviour in Team Fortress 2. Now, a real jerk that annoys everyone, they can still play, but a game is full price and they have to pay an extra hundred dollars if they want voice.
Ok, I get the idea behind that but there is no way its going to fly.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: Xessive on Sunday, May 15, 2011, 09:19:09 PM
I'm all for rewarding the cooperative, socially constructive players but this is ridiculous.

Why not just go with the classic "community awards" where people can vote who their favourite player in a match was, end of the month the results are tallied and the winner gets some bonus stuff. As for the bad apples? I think getting kicked/voted off a server is a fair penalty: be a dick you'll get kicked, change and you can stick around.

Also, how will this identify players who are "nice" in one game but "mean" in another? I generally try to be cooperative and a team player but in games like TF2 I can't help but get agitated and go aggro on occasion.

Aside from that it just feels like Gabe is trying to set laws for politness.. In reality there's no law against being an asshole; Karma takes care of it instead. In the game world I don't see why it has to be enforced.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: idolminds on Sunday, May 15, 2011, 09:29:09 PM
I think a more workable solution would be simply giving discounts to helpful/good people. "Hey, you're a good dude! Heres 20% off your next Steam purchase." If you're good you get a bonus, if you're bad or just neutral...no bonus.

You will get kindness with rewards, punishment will only earn resentment.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: Xessive on Sunday, May 15, 2011, 10:11:07 PM
I think a more workable solution would be simply giving discounts to helpful/good people. "Hey, you're a good dude! Heres 20% off your next Steam purchase." If you're good you get a bonus, if you're bad or just neutral...no bonus.

You will get kindness with rewards, punishment will only earn resentment.
That makes sense.

I don't mind punishment as long as it's something like "For being a dick, the next 3 matches you will start with half-ammo" or "reduced speed" or something quirky like that :P It's more of a ridicule than a punishment that even the other players can mildly enjoy! hehe
Title: Re: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: Quemaqua on Sunday, May 15, 2011, 10:27:42 PM
I... what?
Title: Re: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: Cobra951 on Monday, May 16, 2011, 07:09:47 AM
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.  That's what.  This guy can do whatever he wants now.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: Quemaqua on Monday, May 16, 2011, 09:21:19 AM
That's true, but what kind of batshit insane idea is that? Maybe his new brilliant idea is what people need to finally realize this fucking Jabba the Hutt isn't their savior.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: Cobra951 on Monday, May 16, 2011, 09:30:47 AM
Heh.  I'm with you there.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: Xessive on Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:18:11 AM
Anyone else get the impression Gabe may have been a victim of cyber-bullying? Maybe someone pwned him one too many times?
Title: Re: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: Pugnate on Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:53:36 AM
hahaha I don't know why you guys are more angry than amused. WTF?

I mean really... wtf?
Title: Re: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: Cobra951 on Monday, May 16, 2011, 11:01:54 AM
I'm not angry.  I suppose if I used Steam I might get a bit worried.  But I don't.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: Quemaqua on Monday, May 16, 2011, 11:28:45 AM
I'm not angry either. I just think the guy's an idiot.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: K-man on Monday, May 16, 2011, 12:30:39 PM
This idea is dumb.
Title: Re: Gabe Newell loses his mind
Post by: shock on Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 05:59:17 AM
He's starting to sound like the Donald Trump of gaming.

But I guess as long as he keeps putting out good stuff..