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Title: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Sunday, March 14, 2010, 03:13:25 AM
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/13/bioware-designer-talks-about-goals-for-mass-effect-3/
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: PyroMenace on Sunday, March 14, 2010, 03:50:47 AM
I think Bioware shouldn't take bitching on the internet to heart so much. I think the direction they took with ME2 is a good one. These are the people that preferred loading screens to watching character interaction between areas.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Sunday, March 14, 2010, 04:24:44 AM
haha yea while I agree with you, deeper RPG stuff would be good.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Sunday, March 14, 2010, 05:38:44 AM
Oh fuck, you're going to take game direction advice from the same people who post in 1000 page threads about being in love with an alien in an environment suit because she has nice hips? Mass Effect 2 is highly regarded across the board, and anyone complaining that the game was a step back from the first is in the very, VERY small minority.

Maybe some more skills, maybe some more character customization in abilities and job classes, but leave it at that.  As a streamlined action RPG, the second game is just about perfect and Bioware shouldn't let some of their their vocal and elitist fans ruin something that could be great.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Sunday, March 14, 2010, 06:20:29 AM
I have faith that any changes Bioware makes will be for the best.

They were pretty smart to keep all the changes in ME2 under wraps, because we know people would have been very negative about the changes without actually experiencing them.

Overall, they didn't make any changes in ME2 that we can disagree with. Loading screens for elevator rides suck, but at the same time, they were extremely long on the consoles.

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Maybe some more skills, maybe some more character customization in abilities and job classes, but leave it at that.

I am in my second play through, and I think the lack of depth in classes is a slight negative -- though they still play fairly differently. More skills would and stuff would help differentiate the classes quite a bit more. Aside from that, they will probably leave it alone... let's hope at least.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, March 14, 2010, 07:10:12 AM
I think Bioware shouldn't take bitching on the internet to heart so much. I think the direction they took with ME2 is a good one. These are the people that preferred loading screens to watching character interaction between areas.

I liked the character interaction on elevators found in ME1 kept me immersed further into the character development. I dunno why someone would want load screens instead of this....

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: beo on Sunday, March 14, 2010, 07:22:04 AM
i really wouldn't be worried. they took on board some of the criticisms of the first game, and look how the second turned out! they obviously know what to take from fan feedback to improve their product. i have faith they'll pull it off again.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: iPPi on Sunday, March 14, 2010, 10:36:00 AM
I like what they did with Mass Effect 2's gameplay.  The shooting mechanics worked a lot better than the first game.  I was a little disappointed at the level up system though and the powers you can get for your class though.  They felt a little more limited especially compared to the first game.  It was still amazing though. 

It's quite clear that Bioware is doing some degree of experimentation with the gameplay mechanics of the Mass Effect series as a whole.  I mean in the first game the vehicle sections were really hit and miss, and you got the same boring side quests rooms and tunnels over and over again.  With ME2 they got rid of the vehicle sections (though they're coming back in DLC) and brilliant and full fledged and unique side quests (at the cost of there being fewer).  What ME2 didn't do too well was the planet scanning and the loading.  I'm surprised how many loading screens there are in ME2, especially moving from within the ship levels.  The planet scanning was monotonous and boring.

It'll be interesting to see what they will do with the third, but I do hope they keep the shooting mechanics as they are and maybe make the cover mechanics a little smoother like Uncharted or Gears of War.  The cover system still feels a little clunky moving from cover to cover at times. 

In the end though ME is really all about the story.  It's got one of my favorite stories for a video game and I'm really interested in seeing how the trilogy will end.  Regardless of the gameplay decisions that they end up taking, I'm pretty sure I'm going to get it anyway.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, March 14, 2010, 03:14:57 PM
I like what they did with Mass Effect 2's gameplay.  The shooting mechanics worked a lot better than the first game.  I was a little disappointed at the level up system though and the powers you can get for your class though.  They felt a little more limited especially compared to the first game.  It was still amazing though. 

It's quite clear that Bioware is doing some degree of experimentation with the gameplay mechanics of the Mass Effect series as a whole.  I mean in the first game the vehicle sections were really hit and miss, and you got the same boring side quests rooms and tunnels over and over again.  With ME2 they got rid of the vehicle sections (though they're coming back in DLC) and brilliant and full fledged and unique side quests (at the cost of there being fewer).  What ME2 didn't do too well was the planet scanning and the loading.  I'm surprised how many loading screens there are in ME2, especially moving from within the ship levels.  The planet scanning was monotonous and boring.
I liked the vehicle sections. :)

My only complaint about those sections was there was no way to move the camera directly behind your character w/ one button push, since the cam follows the gun pretty much.

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It'll be interesting to see what they will do with the third, but I do hope they keep the shooting mechanics as they are and maybe make the cover mechanics a little smoother like Uncharted or Gears of War.  The cover system still feels a little clunky moving from cover to cover at times. 

In the end though ME is really all about the story.  It's got one of my favorite stories for a video game and I'm really interested in seeing how the trilogy will end.  Regardless of the gameplay decisions that they end up taking, I'm pretty sure I'm going to get it anyway.
Shit, I was happy w/ the combat from ME1; especially for a RPG game - LOL. And pretty much everybody says the combat has improved more so for ME2? Geez...can't wait til ME2 arrives here sometime likely this week.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Sunday, March 14, 2010, 04:55:06 PM
I liked the vehicle sections. :)

My only complaint about those sections was there was no way to move the camera directly behind your character w/ one button push, since the cam follows the gun pretty much.
Shit, I was happy w/ the combat from ME1; especially for a RPG game - LOL. And pretty much everybody says the combat has improved more so for ME2? Geez...can't wait til ME2 arrives here sometime likely this week.

The vehicle sections were alright the first time through, but really tedious the second play through. While they weren't so bad with the main main missions, they fucking sucked for the side quests. I do have high hopes for the new "Hammerhead" DLC though. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, March 14, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Nathan Grayson of Maximum PC defends ME2's "streamlining."
Oh, he also sides w/ "streamlining" for also FFXII and Heavy Rain... (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/columns/game_boy_why_gamers_need_wise_and_realize_%E2%80%9Cstreamlined%E2%80%9D_doesn%E2%80%99t_mean_%E2%80%9Cdumbeddown%E2%80%9D?page=0%2C0)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, May 23, 2010, 11:42:30 AM
Planet Mining WILL return in Mass Effect 3. (http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/704871/Oh-Son-Of-AMining-Confirmed-For-Mass-Effect-3.html)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Sunday, May 23, 2010, 11:46:40 AM
I didn't mind the concept so much, they rwally just need to tweak it somehow and make it less tedious. Like incorporating a puzzle mini game in there or something.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, May 23, 2010, 11:47:44 AM
I didn't mind the concept so much, they rwally just need to tweak it somehow and make it less tedious. Like incorporating a puzzle mini game in there or something.
And make the reticule move QUICKER.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Sunday, May 23, 2010, 11:50:22 AM
If you could discover more cool random stuff, it would make the process better worth the while.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, May 23, 2010, 11:57:13 AM
If you could discover more cool random stuff, it would make the process better worth the while.

That sounds good, too.

I just hope Bioware can come up w/ a way to make mining mini-game more deeper and more interesting than ME2 had.

ME2's mining was just like they were making some sort of foundation down and didn't finish the damn thing...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Sunday, May 23, 2010, 12:01:44 PM
Hmmm...

No I don't want deeper. Deep is what I want the actual game to be... but this, I'd rather be a fun and interesting distraction.

Something that is like a popcap game, but fits in with the Mass Effect thing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, May 23, 2010, 12:08:16 PM
Hmmm...

No I don't want deeper. Deep is what I want the actual game to be... but this, I'd rather be a fun and interesting distraction.
More variety in the mini-game would be welcome, if you ask me.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Sunday, May 23, 2010, 12:25:22 PM
It can have variety and still be a fun and interesting distraction.

Making it 'deeper' or more 'complex' is just not a good idea though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Monday, June 14, 2010, 08:28:48 PM
For those who plan to import saves from ME2 over into ME3...
ME3 will be pulling in over 1,000 variables into the game... (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/14/mass-effect-3-pulls-in-over-1-000-variables-from-mass-effect-2/)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: iPPi on Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 05:09:57 PM
Hopefully it will be useful variables and not variables like the number of shots I've taken or the number of steps I took while on the Normandy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, December 10, 2010, 03:22:54 PM
G4TV -> EA has a listing for Mass Effect 3 on EA Store and pulled it already. (http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/709136/EA-Store-Lists-Mass-Effect-3-Story-Details-Platforms-And-Pricing-Info-Revealed.html)

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In addition to revealing the game will release on PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, and PC for $59.95, the listing also happened to included the following summation of the game’s plot:

“Earth is burning. Striking from beyond known space, a race of terrifying machines have begun their destruction of the human race. As Commander Shepard, an Alliance Marine, your only hope for saving mankind is to rally the civilizations of the galaxy and launch one final mission to take back the Earth.”
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Saturday, December 11, 2010, 01:31:48 AM
Was there a date attached?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, December 11, 2010, 07:43:52 AM
Was there a date attached?

Nope.
We just know it's coming.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: PyroMenace on Saturday, December 11, 2010, 07:55:20 AM
Wait... there's going to be a Mass Effect 3?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, December 11, 2010, 07:56:10 AM
Wait... there's going to be a Mass Effect 3?
Yep.
And it's rumored that it'll also contain an MP component, too. (http://www.1up.com/news/bioware-vga-mass-effect-3)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: PyroMenace on Saturday, December 11, 2010, 07:57:37 AM
Yes D, I know, I was fucking with you.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, December 11, 2010, 07:59:46 AM
Yes D, I know, I was fucking with you.
Ah, Okay...hehe.  ;D
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Monday, March 28, 2011, 09:07:14 PM
G4TV -> Bioware looking into maybe having a HUD more like Dead Space 2's HUD for Mass Effect 3. (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/711339/bioware-investigating-dead-spaces-hud-for-mass-effect-3/)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Monday, March 28, 2011, 11:09:04 PM
Oh hells yes.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 10:05:41 AM
It's pretty clear that's the direction they would have been heading based on the way weapon effects appear, they just didn't go all the way with the immersive interface. I'm glad they took an example in Dead Space to create a more interesting HUD.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, April 08, 2011, 01:56:07 PM
Yes, yes, yes! (http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/04/08/mass-effect-3-to-have-deeper-rpg-elements-expanded-skill-trees-and-alternative-endings/)

Improvements
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The first Mass Effect 3 details have emerged, revealing which characters will return for the final part of the trilogy. There’s also news of an upgraded RPG system, weapons mods and alternative endings.

Skills and Powers
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Bioware say they’ve beefed up the levelling mechanics to offer a greater choice of abilities. Skill trees will be larger, and powers can be evolved several times.

Weapons System
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There have been some tweaks to the weapons systems, too. All characters can use any weapon, but different classes will have a limited number of weapons slots. Only the soldier class will be able to carry all of them at once. Weapon mods will let you add scopes and different barrels to your weapons, changing the look and effectiveness of each gun.

Multiple Endings
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Mass Effect 3 will have a number of alternative endings. Like Mass Effect 2, the ending you get will depend heavily on the team members you recruit.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 01:15:19 AM
More details on ME3 from Maximum PC. (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/first_mass_effect_3_details_warp_beefed_rpg_mechanics_returning_party_members_improved_combat)

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So, who's along for the ride this time? In the party member category, we have Liara, Ashley/Kaiden, and Garrus. Wrex, Mordin, Legion, and Anderson will also show their faces/vaguely expressive cranial regions, but not as party members, unfortunately. Everyone's favorite Martin Sheen-voiced manipulator The Illusive Man is back in the spotlight (or dimly lit space lounge, as it were) as well, but this time, he's chasing you down. Something tells us it's not a friendly game of mid-Galactic Apocalypse tag, either.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: iPPi on Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 06:16:40 PM
Reading that makes me want to play some of the DLC.  I haven't played any of them.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Thursday, April 14, 2011, 01:55:41 AM
Reading that makes me want to play some of the DLC.  I haven't played any of them.
In my opinion, the best of the DLC is the Shadow Broker.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Friday, April 15, 2011, 12:07:18 AM
Legion not in the party?  WTF?!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Friday, April 15, 2011, 02:03:08 AM
Legion not in the party?  WTF?!
Even Garrus!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Friday, April 15, 2011, 06:30:35 AM
I liked Garrus in the first game but didn't like his nihilistic attitude in the second game so I sent him to his death.  My favorite character is Wrex.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Friday, April 15, 2011, 06:55:17 AM
Yeah, he was pretty gloomy in ME2 but I managed to pull him through after the mission to hunt down Sedonis (Garrus' companion mission).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Thursday, April 21, 2011, 01:36:24 AM
First screenshots of ME3! (http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Mass-Effect-3-Gets-Fresh-Details-First-Screenshots-2.jpg/)

Source: GameInformer (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/04/20/exclusive55_5f00_mass55_5f00_effect55_5f00_355_5f00_screens55.aspx)

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the action of the game will take Shepard from Earth cities like New York or London to a Krogan moon, the Salarian homeworld or Mars, among other planets.

Game Informer has also revealed the first two screenshots of Mass Effect 3, showcasing the Commander engaged in battle against Cerberus troops on the Salarian homeworld.

While it's nothing out of the ordinary, it's good to see that the game has retained much of its trademarks, including lens flares or the sharp, futuristic look.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 05:51:47 PM
GameInformer -> Video Interview w/ Casey Hudson of BioWare on the birth of Mass Effect series. (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/04/26/casey-hudson-interview-how-mass-effect-began.aspx)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, May 04, 2011, 02:33:20 PM
Delayed until 2012. (http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-release-delayed-212)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, May 12, 2011, 02:07:39 PM
SPOILER WARNING for all ME games
G4TV -> Lots of ME3 Info. (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/712552/mass-effect-3-details-surface-massive-spoilers-ahead-youve-been-warned/)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Monday, May 23, 2011, 10:10:50 AM
Just finished 2.  HUGE SPOILERS ON 2 ARE BELOW

So excited they are making a third.  This is a great series.

My random thoughts are below:

1) Mining on 2 was a pain in the ass.  Can the stupid mouse move any slower?  Also, it would be nice to have a clearer idea of what the resources are going to be used for to determine whether or not it is worth scanning.  I had over 200k of 3 of the 4 elements at one point because I was under the impression they would be useful somehow.  In the end, I was still too poor to afford one final damage upgrade, but I had 150k of two elements.  Kinda silly.

2) Bypassing/Hacking also got old fast.  It was actually really fun for the first few times, but after the Nth time, I nearly started skipping things, but I felt forced to do it anyway.  Perhaps adding more minigames to the rotation could make this a lot more enjoyable.

3) Story was great, as I expected, although I don't like some of the new characters.  And I hate that Ashley Williams was absent almost the entire second game.  That was a bit disappointing.  Perhaps it was the way I played ME1, but she was such a huge part of my first game that it felt a little empty without her.  I remember sending that other marine to die in the first one so I could save her.  And later it was bone time.  I know the devs can't cater it to how I played through, but I felt sorta cheated by the one dialogue with her, and then she just ran off.  She didn't even need to be a squad character, but a little something more.

4) Relationships were pretty good, but could definitely use some work.  For example, I only played through once, but it's annoying to have character options limited by your relationship with someone else.  I went for Tali (omg hawt), but Miranda wouldn't even talk to me for the second half of the game.  She just kept on saying she was busy, even after the mission was over.  I assume this was because I was bunking up with Tali, but it was annoying to totally destroy that character.  It would be cooler to sort of woo both and force a confrontration.  Or maybe let you sleep around provided certain conditions are met.  I'm not sure, but it felt very rigid.

There were also a lot of good conversations, but a lot of repeated ones too.  Kelly (the lady that checks your email) should definitely have been a deeper character too.  Although I did hit that.   8)

5) The ending sequence was a little strange.  Two of my squad members died.  I did all of their loyalty missions and all were loyal, so I'm assuming it was because I chose the wrong person for the wrong thing.  I'm going to replay it to be certain.  It seemed really RNG, and almost forces the person to replay it.  I know the intent was to not let you see who was going to die, but I didn't particularly enjoy that.  I'd rather send Jack to the slaughter for complaining. 

6) Compared to one, the side missions were fantastic.  They are all unique.  While there seemed like less (perhaps substantially so), I didn't particularly mind.  The main story itself seemed rather short.  I feel like I spent 85% of my time exploring planets/mining/doing sidequests and like 15% on the main storyline.  My recollection from ME1 is that it wasn't so lopsided.

7) amg a Bioware game that lets you keep exploring after you finish the game?!  WHAAAATTT

So those are my random quabbles/things that I think need to be addressed for 3.  While this probably sounds like bitching, I think this is the best game I've played in a long time.  Great stuff.

Edit: I just played through the last part again and I managed to keep everyone alive until the last scene, when Jack, the only non-loyal person, died randomly.  Kind of annoying.  Oh well.  She was being a drama queen anyway, and wouldn't talk to me ever since her and Miranda started fighting and I didn't have the Paragon/Renegade score to turn her back.  Meh.  I don't think it would be possible to not have her die in my savegame.

I'm about to reformat, but I think I'll hold onto my save file so I can load it into 3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Monday, May 23, 2011, 07:03:58 PM


5) The ending sequence was a little strange.  Two of my squad members died.  I did all of their loyalty missions and all were loyal, so I'm assuming it was because I chose the wrong person for the wrong thing.  I'm going to replay it to be certain.  It seemed really RNG, and almost forces the person to replay it.  I know the intent was to not let you see who was going to die, but I didn't particularly enjoy that.  I'd rather send Jack to the slaughter for complaining. 




Yeah, a couple of the choices for tasks aren't really what you'd think they should be. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, July 08, 2011, 04:45:26 PM
Mass Effect 3: Digital Deluxe Edition that will ONLY be on EA Origin. (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-08-mass-effect-3-exclusive-origin-version)

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EA will release a Mass Effect 3 N7 Digital Deluxe Edition exclusively on its download service Origin.

It costs £54.99. Here's what it includes:

    Digital commemorative artwork of Commander Shepard.
    70-page Digital art book featuring hundreds of unique and gorgeous illustrations from the BioWare development team.
    Limited edition Mass Effect digital comic by Dark Horse Comics, complete with unique cover artwork.
    Exclusive Digital 4x6 lithographic featuring a one-of-a-kind piece of artwork.
    A full collection of in-game content that can’t be found anywhere else!
    N7 Arsenal Pack – Bring the firepower with the N7 Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, SMG, and Pistol.
    Robotic Dog Companion – A faithful sidekick to keep you company on board the Normandy.
    Squadmate Alternate Outfit Pack – New appearances for your favorite squad members.
    N7 Hoodie – For Commander Shepard’s casual days on board the Normandy.
    Relive all the greatest moments of Mass Effect 3 with the digital soundtrack.
    Display your initiation in the N7 ranks with a collection of forum and social badges, avatars, and perks.

Really.

Origin is EA's Steam rival, and it comes as no surprise to find that Mass Effect 3 is not available to pre-order from Valve's shop.
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Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, July 09, 2011, 01:44:27 AM
haha nearly $90 for a bunch of imaginary stuff.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, July 09, 2011, 02:46:11 AM
haha nearly $90 for a bunch of imaginary stuff.
Bear in mind that the numerical value (rather than the actual value) is usually kept the same for some titles from certain publishers. For example if a game costs $49.99 USD it will retain the same number 49.99 GBP, which is utter bullcrap.

GOG.com always boast about providing proper value for their games, regardless of region. This was one of their big points with The Witcher 2.

It's likely that Mass Effect 3 DDE will got for $54.99 USD but based on ME2's release date price tag I'd estimate something closer to $59.99 USD.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, July 09, 2011, 04:45:30 AM
Bear in mind that the numerical value (rather than the actual value) is usually kept the same for some titles from certain publishers. For example if a game costs $49.99 USD it will retain the same number 49.99 GBP, which is utter bullcrap.

GOG.com always boast about providing proper value for their games, regardless of region. This was one of their big points with The Witcher 2.

It's likely that Mass Effect 3 DDE will got for $54.99 USD but based on ME2's release date price tag I'd estimate something closer to $59.99 USD.

Somewhere, I read ME3: Digital Deluxe Edition [from Origin] is $79.99 USD.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, July 09, 2011, 05:02:15 AM
Somewhere, I read ME3: Digital Deluxe Edition [from Origin] is $79.99 USD.
Damn, that's how much the retail Collector's Edition of ME2 cost.. That was a physical CE though. I can't justify paying that much for a digital-only version of the game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Monday, July 11, 2011, 10:38:11 PM
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Digital commemorative artwork of Commander Shepard

Ahahahahaha.  How the fuck are they going to do that when everyone's Shepard looks different.  Unless it's "Digital commemorative artwork" of the stock one.  Either way, it's completely fucking retarded.  Who the fuck wants this shit?  They're trying to corner the grandmothers who play modern video game market.

And I hope they don't mean to hold out on Steam in hopes of giving Origin some sort of boost.  I know you guys are mostly not fans of the service, but I don't think I'll be buying PC games retail anymore (For reasons we've gone into before).

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 12:32:53 AM
I've never bought a LE/CE version of a game.  I can't think of any reason I ever would.  I haven't purchased a store copy of a game in years, but when I did, I would always throw out the box and packaging.  I don't have enough room to keep that crap around.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 01:15:54 AM
Damn.. I might be a hoarder.. I keep the covers for sentimental value.. and they look cool.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 06:47:12 AM
The onle CE I bought was for SCII.  I found it cool at first, but now I could really give a crap about anything in there.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 07:24:52 AM
I do get a little envious when people do the "post your setup" stuff and someone posts their room full of game boxes.  It does look pretty cool then :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 08:37:23 AM
Man it is really a sign that I am getting older. I used to buy CEs left and right, and now I couldn't give a damn. To be honest, I don't even want CDs anymore. Steam is just too convenient, especially with the sales.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Cobra951 on Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 10:34:51 AM
It's funny how I've gone from hating digital to hoping they figure out a way to release multi-disc games digitally on the Xbox.  ME2 would make a great such release on Games on Demand.  No disc swapping.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, July 24, 2011, 10:31:33 PM
Destructoid -> Mass Effect 3 - Interview w/ Casey Hudson from Comic Con 2011. (http://www.destructoid.com/sdcc-interview-mass-effect-3-206926.phtml?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Destructoid+%28Destructoid%29)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, August 16, 2011, 08:49:15 PM
RipTen -> Interview w/ Casey Hudson on modding/customizing weapons and level-up trees. (http://www.ripten.com/2011/08/14/dungeon-masters-rejoice-the-roleplaying-in-mass-effect-3-is-deeper-than-ever/)
GameSpot -> Squad Leader Combat Trailer. (http://gamescom.gamespot.com/video/6329151/mass-effect-3-squad-leader-movie?tag=top_stories%3Btitle%3B4)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, October 11, 2011, 03:37:05 PM
Some details on ME3's MP modes. (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/10/10/mass-effect-3-co-op-multiplayer-galaxy-war/)

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 02:58:19 PM
Destructoid -> Online pass confirmed for ME3. (http://www.destructoid.com/online-pass-confirmed-for-mass-effect-3-213571.phtml)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, October 20, 2011, 06:50:46 PM
Mass Effect 3 Demo coming in Jan 2012 with SP and MP content. (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/717640/mass-effect-3-demo-coming-in-january-2012-will-feature-single-and-multiplayer/?cmpid=sn-110418-facebook-28-fbfantrack)

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, November 09, 2011, 04:43:02 PM
Joystiq -> ME3 PC requires an Initial Net Check at boot; and there's no local Co-Op for ANY version. (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/09/mass-effect-3-pc-requires-initial-internet-check-no-local-co-op/)

EDIT:
From Bioware Blog (http://blog.bioware.com/2011/11/04/my-interview-with-mass-effect-3-producer-jesse-houston/):
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Will ME3 require an internet connection for each launching of the SP game, or will it retain ME2′s single verification method?
Mass Effect 3 PC will require the internet connection when you initially launch and authorize it but then you will no longer require the connection.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 05:53:22 PM
Casey Hudson interview on ME3 w/ GameInformer. (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/10/mass1525-effect-3-cas5ey-fdsafdhudson-interviewae.aspx?PostPageIndex=1)
Read this about the game having 3 different Game Modes...

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GI: When you start Mass Effect 3, you have to choose between three new game modes – action, roleplaying, and story. How early into development did you come up with the idea of splitting it up into the different types of players who are likely to be checking this game out?

Casey Hudson: That’s actually another thing that we wanted to do in previous games. It’s simpler than it seems. It looks like we’ve done something really crazy, but all it’s doing is – first of all, we realized that it’s not ideal that when someone starts the game, they don’t know that much about it and we dump a huge options screen on them. Automatic squad powers and this and that – you’re asking them to make too many decisions about stuff they haven’t even played yet. That wasn’t ideal. We also have a lot of feedback from people who say, "Your games look really cool, and I love the idea of the story and the characters. It looks awesome when I watch it on YouTube, but I’m just not that coordinated with a shooter. I would play it if I could figure out how to do combat." So we always thought we should have a mode where combat isn’t going to kill you. You still go around and fight, but you’re playing it for the story experience. We thought we should be able to do that relatively easy, but there’s still work involved in that.

You have to make a game with a certain design before you realize that there are different player types. One of the surprising pieces of feedback was for some players, it’s not that they don’t like the story. They love story. In fact, the story is so important to them that they feel the story choices are intimidating. They’re worried that they’re going to make a wrong decision. We never build our games that way, but they find it stressful that they have to make all these decisions. They want to see what happens, but they want to see what they would perceive as the best outcome.

So all these settings do is that they set some of the options on the option screen before you’ve played it and know what those options mean. Once you get in and start playing, you can change things. The story mode is actually just a difficulty setting. The action mode is actually just about choosing "automatic dialogue."

GI: So if you’re playing in story mode, you actually don’t die at all?

CH: It’s not that you don’t die at all.

GI: It’s just really difficult to lose?

CH: Yeah, it’s easy enough that combat happens a lot faster. You get through it faster. You can mow through enemies. Generally, if you’re trying, you’re not going to die.

GI: For the action mode, do you have it set up so that it’s choosing specifically a paragon or a renegade path, or is it a mix of the two?

CH: It’s a mix. It’s not canon. We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is. But we choose a default path that gives you access to a lot of cool things. It’s like how a character like Jack Bauer has to make some decisions where he feels empathy in one moment or feels particularly brutal in another moment. We weave you through a default path that switches between those.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Friday, January 13, 2012, 09:55:58 AM
Interesting.  I'm assuming that action has the most difficult combat sequences.  I liked the combat in ME and ME2, so this option would be tempting.  I hope it doesn't come at the expense of anything else though (IE less storytelling).  The distinction between roleplaying and action seems a bit forced.  I guess there is more ability to customize your characters in roleplaying and less emphasis on the action.  But again, why really make this distinction?  Even if you hate the roleplaying parts of the game, you can just breeze through them without too much thought (it takes like 5 seconds to select some skills and you are back in the fray).  Why take that option away?  Story makes a lot of sense, since a lot of people that like the game are into the story.  But if it just tones down the difficulty of the combat, is it really worth the effort?  Why not just let players use a difficulty slider and focus on other aspects of the game?

It's a strange idea and gives me a bit of anxiety.  Overall, it seems like it could be oddly limiting in a series that gets most of its appeal from its interplay between action, roleplaying, and storytelling.  Why would I want to chose to focus on one of these options at the expense of the others?  I want all of them at once.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Friday, January 13, 2012, 02:01:39 PM
Yeah. It's weird. I just want an option that says:

I like games. Give me the hardest and most in-depth version of each portion of the game.

I don't want to have to pick a more in-depth role playing experience at the expense of action, especially like shock said, it's the interplay between the role playing and the action that makes the game portions of the series interesting.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Friday, January 13, 2012, 03:30:21 PM
wtf

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So all these settings do is that they set some of the options on the option screen before you’ve played it and know what those options mean. Once you get in and start playing, you can change things. The story mode is actually just a difficulty setting. The action mode is actually just about choosing "automatic dialogue."

That doesn't seem so bad. Don't they realize they are just confusing people?

I think DA2 and now this just confirms that Bioware are just losing their heads.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, January 13, 2012, 03:53:40 PM
About the dialogue choices - wasn't the aggressive options purposely placed in the ME games really for the action gamer to get themselves out of the dialogues and get back to the action?  :o
I really don't get this. It's like Bioware can't decide what genre their game is and who to cater the game to.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Friday, January 13, 2012, 04:07:56 PM
No.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, January 13, 2012, 04:21:21 PM
I just can't see this going well w/ having 3 different game modes here...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Friday, January 13, 2012, 04:49:44 PM
No.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, January 13, 2012, 04:52:26 PM
No.
Is that your answer for everything? :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, January 14, 2012, 12:46:54 PM
No.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: idolminds on Saturday, January 14, 2012, 12:52:25 PM
I'm watching the internet forum meltdowns about ME3 requiring Origin for "a one time, single authorization for the single player game."
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, January 14, 2012, 03:30:07 PM
I'm watching the internet forum meltdowns about ME3 requiring Origin for "a one time, single authorization for the single player game."
This is NOT much different than most PC games requiring Steam or G4WL...  :o

EDIT:
Bioware Forums -> Origin and ME3 Thread - 80 pages long, so far. (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8975536/1)
Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/5876171/surprise-surprise-mass-effect-3-requires-origin-wont-launch-on-steam) and IGN (http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1216562p1.html) reporting ME3 PC requires Origin.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Sunday, January 15, 2012, 03:49:01 PM
I'm watching the internet forum meltdowns about ME3 requiring Origin for "a one time, single authorization for the single player game."
Fuck.  Seriously?  I guess I'm not surprised but I don't like that thing where EA can close down your account (and hence any games associated with it) for disuse.  I've sworn off Origin but I don't know if I can really keep that up with ME3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Monday, January 16, 2012, 03:42:45 PM
One thing I liked about Origin OVER Steam was that to run my games, I never had to keep Origin going in the background.
Well, ME3 and BF3 kind of wreck that idea, unfortunately.

On another hand - game requiring client-program is not much different than Steam, honestly.

Both programs data-mine, except Steam asks for your permission (the survey!) or you can set it in your preferences [so they can find out your specs, what app's you got installed, drivers, etc etc].
Origin doesn't ask for permission - it just bloody takes what it wants for info, which is what you agree to in the EULA.

Like Scott said - the whole "EA has control of your games" is another issue, too.
Then again, others have had this issue w/ Steam, too.

From what I been reading the past few days, this looks to be the problems people are having w/ ME3 requiring Origin.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, January 19, 2012, 03:54:35 PM
Mass Effect 3 PC -> System Requirements. (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/01/19/mass-effect-3-pc-system-requirements-blasted-open-by-bioware/)
2.5 GB HDD requirements for probably for the Demo, not full version.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Monday, January 30, 2012, 08:42:06 PM
Sounds about right for me...
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/404673_10150560124724190_68678914189_8710644_792009685_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 03:55:03 PM
Meet the voice actors... except only the famous ones... and Jessica Chobot. (http://www.giantbomb.com/meet-the-actual-crew-of-mass-effect-3/17-5614/)

Really? Jessica Chobot? They couldn't find some decent no name who would probably be cheaper and not Jessica Chobot?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 05:05:01 PM
Meet the voice actors... except only the famous ones... and Jessica Chobot. (http://www.giantbomb.com/meet-the-actual-crew-of-mass-effect-3/17-5614/)

Really? Jessica Chobot? They couldn't find some decent no name who would probably be cheaper and not Jessica Chobot?

Wait...when did Jessica Chobot join the cast of this game?  :o

This reminds me...I need to finish ME2 as Female Shepard.
Jennifer Hale is one of my favorite video game voice-actresses of all time.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 06:01:17 PM
G4TV -> Jessica Chobot on...Jessica Chobot in ME3. (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/720362/mass-effect-3-jessica-chobot-talks-romance/)

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When asked whether she planned to "romance" herself, Chobot said, "Oh, I’m gonna give it to me so hard."

LMAO!  ;D
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, February 05, 2012, 08:06:14 AM
GamerZines -> Bioware suggests everyone hold onto their ME3 saves, once they're done w/ the game. (http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/mass-effect-3-saves.html)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 04:25:59 PM
Mass Effect 3 Demo is out.
Check your respective platform's online services:
PSN for PS3; XBL for 360; Origin in the Free Games section on the PC.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 05:23:12 PM
Awesome, thanks for the heads-up, D!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 07:09:15 PM
Awesome, thanks for the heads-up, D!

Everybody - STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND GO PLAY THIS DEMO!!!
I played SP Portion in RPG mode - just freakin' all kinds of awesome.
That is all.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: idolminds on Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 07:33:20 PM
So this could also go in a deal thread, but preorder ME3 on Origin and get Battlefield 3 free (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/02/14/pre-order-mass-effect-3-on-origin-get-battlefield-3-free/).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 07:36:37 PM
I've been a little worried about the game, but then they
(click to show/hide)
and now everything is right with the world. There are a few textures that seem more rough than I remember seeing in ME2. Hopefully that was more for the sake of the demo.

Really, sit eems on par with how ME2 worked. I've already seen people say it feels off in terms of PC controls, but I didn't have any issues. I mean, it's not Quake but what else is? If the story keeps up and they pull shit like bringing back characters that I got killed then it'll be just fine.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 07:47:01 PM
Well, the singleplayer is cool and the multiplayer is a lot of fun!

Interesting note: it says multiplayer will be activated on Feb 17 but for some reason I'm able to play now. Is it because I have Kingdoms of Amalur? Maybe.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 07:48:30 PM
Well, the singleplayer is cool and the multiplayer is a lot of fun!

Interesting note: it says multiplayer will be activated on Feb 17 but for some reason I'm able to play now. Is it because I have Kingdoms of Amalur? Maybe.

BF3 owners who activated their BF3 online pass got early access to the ME3 Demo's MP portion from Feb 14-17. (http://masseffect.bioware.com/about/demo/)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 07:54:40 PM
GeForce -> ME3 PC Demo benchmarks and impressions. (http://www.geforce.com/News/articles/mass-effect-3-demo-impressions-and-benchmarks?sf3188976=1)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 09:45:21 PM
So this could also go in a deal thread, but preorder ME3 on Origin and get Battlefield 3 free (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/02/14/pre-order-mass-effect-3-on-origin-get-battlefield-3-free/).

I'm doing this.  I was hesitant to jump onboard with Origin and also hesitant to buy BF3 considering I have no idea how it'll run, but I'm in.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 10:01:25 PM
I had issues earlier w/ my Net connection trying to connect to the Net - and yes, Offline Mode for me on Origin works fine [with games I've already obviously activated, ahead of time].

What happens is it'll hang for few moment b/c it can't sign into their servers online...and then it will tell you it'll go into Offline Mode and force you to enter your Origin password [I'm guessing Origin must also store the password also for offline purposes as a key to access your games]
Tried it for Amalur [full game] and Mass Effect 3 Demo and works fine offline for their SP stuff (and both games do require Origin). :D

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 12:32:52 AM
I've been a little worried about the game, but then they
(click to show/hide)
and now everything is right with the world. There are a few textures that seem more rough than I remember seeing in ME2. Hopefully that was more for the sake of the demo.

Really, sit eems on par with how ME2 worked. I've already seen people say it feels off in terms of PC controls, but I didn't have any issues. I mean, it's not Quake but what else is? If the story keeps up and they pull shit like bringing back characters that I got killed then it'll be just fine.

I agree with you here.  I played the ME2 DLC a few weeks ago (Well, the good ones) and the textures were pretty poor in some spots.  I'm kinda seeing the same thing here but I don't think it's any worse. As for the controls, I wonder if the PC version supports the gamepad now.  I don't know if I'd use it, but I wouldn't mind trying it out.  I honestly didn't think they were any better or worse than the last two games, but was kinda thrown off that I couldn't holster my gun when there wasn't any action - something I did all the time in the last game because I liked the perspective better that way.

What classes are you guys playing?  I've went through ME2 as Sentinel but actually found it pretty boring here. Push didn't seem quite as entertaining and the tech armour kind of sucks all of a sudden?  Like, I died and it was still going. WTF?

I'm thinking Vanguard but am totally open to suggestions.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 05:29:53 AM
The gamepad doesn't work on the demo. No word on the final game but based on Bioware's pattern I wouldn't count on it. They didn't even give Jade Empire gamepad support.

I've noticed quite a few lo-res textures in the demo, here's hoping that's just for the demo and the final game will have a hi-res texture option.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 11:05:56 AM
My main character has always been a pure biotic. The combination of throw and pull has always been a ton of fun for me. Depending on the level, I can throw guys off ledges or put them in orbit more or less with impunity. Being able to arc my powers around corners is also pretty damned cool. For bigger guys or tight groups warp and singularity come in handy while my squad did more weapon based damage.

I tried a bit with a Vanguard in a half-hearted attempt at a second playthrough and didn't feel as satisfied. I felt limited to throwing myself into the thick of a fight and hoping I picked the time when everything else was weak enough that I could clobber them before I got myself killed. There's a nice risk-reward thing going, but learning to time that charge is key. I never got so good at it.

The strangest part about being a biotic was all the story stuff about how humans have treated those with biotic potential. I'd have Kaiden or Jack bitch about being treated like shit while they were being trained and here I was standing around, probably a better biotic than them (and presumably subject to harsh training) and my only response is something like, "yeah, that sucks." It would have been a little cool if there were a few lines acknowledging Shepard's training in whatever specialty they had. I mean, there's stuff on how Shepard grew up or events that lead to the type of commander they were. Adding a bit more on how they fight wouldn't have been that tough.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 11:36:59 AM
I'm generally somewhere between Soldier and Infiltrator. A little stealth and a little firepower, all about flanking and occasionally disabling targets (the infiltrator's EMP is great). If I had to name my style I'd call it "Assault Recon" or something.

Gotta say the coop of ME3 is a lot of fun. Even without voice comm we're able to cooperate. I think ME players are like that from the squad-based singleplayer campaigns of the previous games. We see a target floating helplessly by biotics we instinctively go for it. A shield-bearing heavy comes in, use biotic pull to remove his shield so your teammates can take him down. It's awesome.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, February 16, 2012, 08:03:46 PM
ME3 Demo's MP portion unlocked a day early. Get online and get playing!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, February 18, 2012, 06:55:15 PM
Drew's Blog -> Drew Karpyshyn (lead writer of ME1 + 2 and; a writer on SWTOR and other Bioware games for 12 years) has left Bioware to pursuit more work on writing novels. (http://drewkarpyshyn.com/c/?p=369#more-369)

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Sunday, February 19, 2012, 08:30:27 PM
New CG trailer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=heEqAwQ5phI)

How Warhammerish. We all have guns, but we'd rather run up and start stabbing you. I mean, I love that about Warhammer but I don't think I'd want that in something more grounded like Mass Effect.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, February 19, 2012, 09:05:01 PM
New CG trailer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=heEqAwQ5phI)

How Warhammerish. We all have guns, but we'd rather run up and start stabbing you. I mean, I love that about Warhammer but I don't think I'd want that in something more grounded like Mass Effect.

The Melee Ability is one of the newest and much improved abilities for Shep.
Of course they're gonna point this out.
Everybody knows Shep got mad guns already - see last 2 games. [shrug]
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Sunday, February 19, 2012, 09:08:47 PM
I'll be honest, that's what I've been doing in multiplayer. While I do usually snipe from cover I do occasionally make a mad dash into a crowd and swipe with the heavy melee attack :P Not advisable but has its fun moments ;D
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, February 19, 2012, 09:18:19 PM
I'll be honest, that's what I've been doing in multiplayer. While I do usually snipe from cover I do occasionally make a mad dash into a crowd and swipe with the heavy melee attack :P Not advisable but has its fun moments ;D
Melee was not that useful really in ME2.
Make sense for them to make it more useful in ME3, since many complained about the weak and lack of melee in ME2.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Monday, February 20, 2012, 12:56:29 AM
Melee was not that useful really in ME2.
Make sense for them to make it more useful in ME3, since many complained about the weak and lack of melee in ME2.

Melee really only had a use if you were a Vanguard, and even then it really needed to be fleshed out.  I'll agree that it seems to be one of the more important improvements in this instalment. Or at least it seems that way from the demo.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Monday, February 20, 2012, 01:17:40 AM
It is definitely improved but it's important to keep in mind that it's not Space Marine! haha

The melee is there as a last-ditch effort to shove an enemy who's closing in so you can get a better shot, and the newly added "Heavy Attack" is great for finishing off an enemy who has closed in, though make sure there aren't any other enemies around as it leaves you vulnerable for a second or two.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Monday, February 20, 2012, 01:58:52 AM
Yeah, I died quite a few times by overestimating my melee abilities.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 08:05:28 PM
PC Gamer -> From Ashes DLC (Day One DLC) will be FREE for N7 Collector's Edition owners and Digital Deluxe Edition owners. (http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/02/22/mass-effect-3-from-ashes-day-one-dlc-confirmed-collectors-edition-owners-get-it-free/)
Standard Edition owners, it'll be $10 for the From Ashes DLC. (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/02/22/mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc-sold-separately-from-collectors/)

EDIT:
Info from Mike Gamble of Bioware on From Ashes DLC. (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9403705/1)
Quote
As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday).

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things...

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 09:39:03 PM
Awesome. If I wasn't already tantalized with anticipation I certainly am now!

A Prothean squadmate?! Yeeeah! I have a soft spot for sole-survivor storylines.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 09:42:35 PM
Awesome. If I wasn't already tantalized with anticipation I certainly am now!

A Prothean squadmate?! Yeeeah! I have a soft spot for sole-survivor storylines.
As cool as it sounds, Bioware Forums are pissed that the From Ashes DLC is only in the CE's for FREE.
It'll be $10, for SE owners.
I hope it is of a decent length - you never know w/ these DLC's and all...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 10:56:20 PM
I'm kind of impartial on this.  I mean, I can see where people are coming from and think it's a poor business decision but I also disagree with those who think it's unethical or shady.  Content's not actually being stripped from the game and then resold, it's being added as an option.  I can only imagine that internally these are viewed as two different projects and funded as such, so the resources wouldn't have been put towards the day 1 DLC if it wasn't for the potential of an additional revenue stream. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 11:03:07 PM
As cool as it sounds, Bioware Forums are pissed that the From Ashes DLC is only in the CE's for FREE.
It'll be $10, for SE owners.
I hope it is of a decent length - you never know w/ these DLC's and all...
Hmm.. Does that mean it's also included in the Digital Deluxe edition or exclusively in the retail CE (which apparently is only available on consoles and not PC).

I pre-ordered the Digital Deluxe edition based on the clause that specifically states that it will include "a full collection of in-game content"

$20 extra for a DD Edition, the expectation is inclusion of this stuff just as with the Cerberus Network Access with ME2.

EDIT:
Sorry, forgot to add. If you're getting the Standard Edition I can understand the frustration if it was indeed cut material, but it's not. It's extra DLC, which is available to dedicated fans who put in the extra bucks for a CE.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 11:07:02 PM
Hmm.. Does that mean it's also included in the Digital Deluxe edition or exclusively in the retail CE (which apparently is only available on consoles and not PC).

I pre-ordered the Digital Deluxe edition based on the clause that specifically states that it will include "a full collection of in-game content"

$20 extra for a DD Edition, the expectation is inclusion of this stuff just as with the Cerberus Network Access with ME2.
According to Bioware post, N7 Collector's Edition [that's the physical CE] and Digital Deluxe both will contain From Ashes DLC.
Good question - I don't know if there is a N7 CE at Retail for PC...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 11:09:20 PM
I'm kind of impartial on this.  I mean, I can see where people are coming from and think it's a poor business decision but I also disagree with those who think it's unethical or shady.  Content's not actually being stripped from the game and then resold, it's being added as an option.  I can only imagine that internally these are viewed as two different projects and funded as such, so the resources wouldn't have been put towards the day 1 DLC if it wasn't for the potential of an additional revenue stream. 
Well, we don't expect team to sit there, while game goes gold and do nothing - like the old days.
I'd rather them do a big DLC or nice-sized expansion and sell that, if you ask me.
C'mon - we all know this game's gonna sell and people will want more of it, so DLC and expansions are expected.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Thursday, February 23, 2012, 12:03:05 AM
Well, we don't expect team to sit there, while game goes gold and do nothing - like the old days.
I'd rather them do a big DLC or nice-sized expansion and sell that, if you ask me.
C'mon - we all know this game's gonna sell and people will want more of it, so DLC and expansions are expected.
YEah but based on the DLC from previous Mass Effect titles we can't expect too much. Although "Lair of the Shadow Broker" for ME2 was actually a great bit of DLC, arguably the only good DLC from Bioware.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, February 23, 2012, 04:01:38 PM
YEah but based on the DLC from previous Mass Effect titles we can't expect too much. Although "Lair of the Shadow Broker" for ME2 was actually a great bit of DLC, arguably the only good DLC from Bioware.
Does the Bioware Store even put the Bioware Points on sale very often?
I'd rather just pay via Credit Card w/ money straight up for DLC [even if I had to pay tax and whatnot], not get some $ converted over to some silly point system.
I truly hate that they ain't put out a DLC Only Box; or sell DLC separate through Origin; or even sell a re-released ME2: Complete Edition on the PC.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Friday, February 24, 2012, 02:56:39 AM
Does the Bioware Store even put the Bioware Points on sale very often?
I'd rather just pay via Credit Card w/ money straight up for DLC [even if I had to pay tax and whatnot], not get some $ converted over to some silly point system.
I truly hate that they ain't put out a DLC Only Box; or sell DLC separate through Origin; or even sell a re-released ME2: Complete Edition on the PC.


Apparently, this is one of the reasons the game won't be on Steam: something to do with the DLC distribution system Bioware and EA use is against Steam's rules and Valve refused to make an exception/change the rules.  In either case, the Bioware points system is completely ridiculous.  It makes A TINY little bit of sense with services like Xbox Live, because it's a unified service and there are so many products available for it (although MS is obviously in it for the front end loading and leakage reasons), but this serves no purpose at all.  Very few products offered, no bulk discount for points and set point bundles for sale (one per transactions).   I bought three pieces of ME2 DLC because I wanted to get a few more hours in with the game a month or so ago and ended up having to run three transactions through because that's the only way I could swing it without buying points I'd never use. I'm with Valve on this one.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Cobra951 on Friday, February 24, 2012, 07:04:02 AM
Apparently, this is one of the reasons the game won't be on Steam: something to do with the DLC distribution system Bioware and EA use is against Steam's rules and Valve refused to make an exception/change the rules.  In either case, the Bioware points system is completely ridiculous.  It makes A TINY little bit of sense with services like Xbox Live, because it's a unified service and there are so many products available for it (although MS is obviously in it for the front end loading and leakage reasons), but this serves no purpose at all.  Very few products offered, no bulk discount for points and set point bundles for sale (one per transactions).   I bought three pieces of ME2 DLC because I wanted to get a few more hours in with the game a month or so ago and ended up having to run three transactions through because that's the only way I could swing it without buying points I'd never use. I'm with Valve on this one.

Right.  It makes no sense at all for any reason other than that.  My leakage is always less than $5 (the least you can spend on points in one shot) but many idiots keep large numbers of points on reserve, which are just money in Microsoft's coffers for absolutely nothing in return.  Even a couple of dollars multiplied by millions of subscribers is a huge undeserved amount.  Brilliant bit of legal evil, really.  I don't know how EA or Bioware are going to implement points, but if they do it the same way, then what I said applies to them too.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Friday, February 24, 2012, 04:53:33 PM
Bioware's points are almost identical to Microsoft's. Same values too. Retarded.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, February 24, 2012, 05:03:34 PM
Apparently, this is one of the reasons the game won't be on Steam: something to do with the DLC distribution system Bioware and EA use is against Steam's rules and Valve refused to make an exception/change the rules.  In either case, the Bioware points system is completely ridiculous.  It makes A TINY little bit of sense with services like Xbox Live, because it's a unified service and there are so many products available for it (although MS is obviously in it for the front end loading and leakage reasons), but this serves no purpose at all.  Very few products offered, no bulk discount for points and set point bundles for sale (one per transactions).   I bought three pieces of ME2 DLC because I wanted to get a few more hours in with the game a month or so ago and ended up having to run three transactions through because that's the only way I could swing it without buying points I'd never use. I'm with Valve on this one.
Steam's new rule requires ALL new games or games that get updates w/ new $ content (since the rule went into effect) to have ALL of their content (DLC, Expansions, Etc) ALSO released on Steam. They are trying to sell to their fanbase complete products that are tested and actually can work w/ Steam - and probably make a cut of those sales, as well. Hence why Super SF4 and Fable 3 didn't get kicked off Steam [which both require G4WL], while Dragon Age 2 and Crysis 2 get kicked-off Steam [DA2 and Crysis 2 DLC is NOT SOLD on Steam].

One of the good things about Steam, I can actually pay for DLC content via Credit Card in REAL $, not silly point systems.
Plus, DLC on Steam often goes on sale at [eventually] fair to great prices, especially during any sales.
Steam never makes me feel cheated that I bought a game week of release w/ their frequent deals. I can always buy DLC later, often at discounted prices.
I never had to worry about FO:NV DLC pricing on Steam, unlike G4WL.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, February 24, 2012, 07:40:50 PM
IGN -> Review in Progress - on Mass Effect 3. (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1219416p1.html)
Expect them to update this "Review in Progress" w/ 3 more updates w/in the next 7 days - like they did w/ Amalur.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, February 26, 2012, 09:08:57 PM
"Fight" Live Action Trailer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0DSCFQcR08E)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Sunday, February 26, 2012, 09:59:09 PM
Live action?  Why would I even bother?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Sunday, February 26, 2012, 10:01:17 PM
BECAUSE IT'S MASS EFFECT! 



Alright, but why is Earth the most ghetto planet of them all?  They really shouldn't have gone live action.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Sunday, February 26, 2012, 11:31:06 PM
I think they're going with the trend. They saw the FEAR3 live action trailer, then the Skyrim one.. etc.

I'd love to see a Borderlands live action trailer just because I know I know Randy Pitchford would have fun with it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Monday, February 27, 2012, 01:52:14 AM
You just reminded me that I have to watch that again.  And again.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Monday, February 27, 2012, 04:34:12 AM
It's cool, but it's very much in the vein of a lot of Halo trailers. I know people are going to hold that against the game... of course, it seems the internets are happy to hold everything against the game lately.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, February 29, 2012, 05:52:03 PM
UK Retailer GAME will NOT sell ME3 and NOT sell any future EA Titles. (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/02/29/game-not-stocking-mass-effect-3/)
GAME's fallout w/ EA seems to be over the fact that EA won't give them more "Credit terms" for "more profit margin." (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/money/4162568/Game-group-in-crisis-as-supplier-pulls-plug.html)

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, February 29, 2012, 07:26:38 PM
GameSpot - On The Spot -> 57 min interview w/ Casey Hudson of Bioware. (http://www.gamespot.com/events/the-hotspot/story.html?sid=6363842)

G4TV -> "RPG Is Back" - RPG Elements In ME3. (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/721268/mass-effect-3-rpg-is-back-video-be-the-class-youve-always-wanted-to-be/)
G4TV -> Preview on the MP. (http://www.g4tv.com/videos/57547/mass-effect-3-multiplayer-preview/)
G4TV -> The Beginning Story Explained. (http://www.g4tv.com/videos/57528/mass-effect-3-the-beginning-story-explained/)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, March 01, 2012, 08:01:30 PM
Gamasutra -> Opinion: How Mass Effect challenged my definition of 'RPG'. (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/129583/Opinion_How_Mass_Effect_challenged_my_definition_of_RPG.php)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Friday, March 02, 2012, 01:12:15 PM
Final (?) launch trailer in the vein of last ME2 trailer (Remember how sweet that was? (http://youtu.be/sjOEmHEd2XM))



And it ended with the right sound. I'm set. Bring on the end.

Edit: (http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/7/71225/2142286-thatlldopigthatlldo_super.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Friday, March 02, 2012, 03:17:22 PM
By the same dudes who did the other trailer music too. I remember listening to this music when I was checking out their latest work.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: iPPi on Friday, March 02, 2012, 04:15:36 PM
"Two Steps from Hell" makes some decent music.  They're featured in a lot of trailers.  Between them and Audiomachine, you can find a lot of 'epic' music for use in previews.

Anyway, looks amazing.  I'll have to wait until April to play it though and won't be able to get it on launch day.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: iPPi on Friday, March 02, 2012, 11:58:01 PM


Somebody strung together all three launch trailers.  You can see the awesomeness and the evolution of the game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Saturday, March 03, 2012, 04:05:10 AM
I can't believe I'm this ridiculously excited for the game.  I don't know if I've ever been this pumped.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, March 03, 2012, 08:44:37 AM
That new ME3 trailer is AMAZING.

EDIT:
Awesome @ That person that strung together all 3 ME games' launch trailers!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, March 03, 2012, 12:42:13 PM
Pre-load downloaded!

Now the anticipation is building at an accelerated pace.

Damn. In retrospect this may have made things worse on my ability to wait.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, March 03, 2012, 01:44:32 PM
I haven't bought ME3 simply because my computer got formatted and I lost all my old saves. Now, I want to play ME1 and ME2 first. It is silly, I know.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: W7RE on Saturday, March 03, 2012, 01:51:50 PM
Once you see it...

(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6766/beznaslova68.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Saturday, March 03, 2012, 11:29:09 PM
Bahaha. 


So, everyone playing this on the PC:  What are your Origin names or whatever we need to add each other?  You know we're going to have to get some MP going at some time. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Saturday, March 03, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
I can't say I'm seeing it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: W7RE on Saturday, March 03, 2012, 11:43:17 PM
I can't say I'm seeing it.

goatse
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, March 04, 2012, 08:23:20 AM
VentureBeat -> Interview w/ Casey Hudson of Bioware. (http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/02/casey-hudson-bioware-co-created-mass-effect-3-with-the-sometimes-cranky-fans-interview/)
G4TV -> Meet The Composers Behind ME3. (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/721320/meet-the-composers-behind-mass-effect-3/)
G4TV -> Recap Vid on ME2's Story -- WARNING: SPOILERS INCLUDED on ME2. (http://www.g4tv.com/videos/57594/previously-on-mass-effect/?quality=hd)

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Monday, March 05, 2012, 11:54:24 PM
PRetty sure this shit just went live!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 12:23:55 AM
Been playing since Mass Effect 1?  Your Sheppard is getting a makeover. (http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/323/index/9513640/1)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: PyroMenace on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 12:46:33 AM
Wow the responses with people being fine with that is rather striking. I always went with default sheppard, that's the character I played with for the passed 2 games. If I had to change his appearance I would be pissed.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 01:00:14 AM
I'm not pumped about it.  I had this kinda ugly, but totally badass Sheppard that won't import and I can't even come close to making him again with the options in this one. I just played through the first 20 min and decided to restart because the guy I ended up making looked like Vin Disel and fuck that.

I guess I'm going with default Sheps from now on.  If I can't use my character, I might as well use one that some thought went into I guess.

Also, tech armour blows now so I guess I'm going Vanguard.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 03:24:56 AM
I always go with default Shepard.

But yes Pyro, people on that forum always 'fine' with many things. After some investigation, I realized a lot of people who tend to agree with everything Bioware say are just Bioware employees!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 03:26:18 AM
Visual makeovers I don't mind so much, mainly because I've even gotten better at the details (thank you Oblivion & Skyrim). Honestly though, I've just been using the default Shepard appearance since it's the most visually impressive (better resolution skin texture, higher poly-count etc.)

It sucks when I have to re-spec my character's class but I've gotten used to it since in ME2 I lost my ME1 saves anyway.

This time around I may import my ME2 saves since I hung on to them.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 08:54:49 AM
Yeah, you need to import those saves, yo.  I don't mind the stock Sheppard now that I'm using it - and yet, I totally see why it's a huge a deal to most people.  I mean, I'm not really OCD at all and Sheppard just doesn't seem right without the hideous hook nose I gave him years ago.

But it's kinda cool how the MP and SP tie together a bit. I didn't know anything about it before and don't know exactly how it works, but it seems that the overall war effort is directly impacted by how you do in the mp portion.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 09:00:54 AM
That's fucking weak. I liked my Shep. He was totally military, looked like a marine. Pretty boilerplate, but I was fond of him.

Regardless, how do you fuck that up when that's one of the selling points? That's pretty stupid. Way to go, Bioware.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 02:49:33 PM
Man, this game seems to be getting a ton of internet hate.  Well, half the internet seems to love it, half seems to hate it.   Metacritic user reviews are all 0-3/10 citing how the game continues the downward spiral of the series which stated with ME2.


WHAAAT?  Honestly, who the fuck could possibly think that ME2 wasn't an overall improvement over ME1?  I'm chalking this up to kids trying to get all political about Origin and day 1 dlc.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Quemaqua on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 03:33:32 PM
Honestly, I feel like the only person who doesn't give even the slightest fuck about ME3. I just don't care. At all.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 03:38:35 PM
Man, this game seems to be getting a ton of internet hate.  Well, half the internet seems to love it, half seems to hate it.   Metacritic user reviews are all 0-3/10 citing how the game continues the downward spiral of the series which stated with ME2.
This is what has happened w/ many Bioware games since NWN.

Many who loved BG games, hated NWN. Many who loved NWN, hated BG games.
Many who who loved DAO, hated DA2. Many who hated DAO, loved DA2.
Many who loved ME1, hated ME2. Many who loved ME2, hated ME1.

I'm explain more, after your next quote...

Quote
WHAAAT?  Honestly, who the fuck could possibly think that ME2 wasn't an overall improvement over ME1?  I'm chalking this up to kids trying to get all political about Origin and day 1 dlc.
While Origin is part of the possible hate, I think it's more so the fact that Bioware's sequels over get MAJOR overhauled in some formation from 1 to 2 or 2 to 3.
Look at the trend - their sequels become less RPG-like [in some ways], more action-orientated, & more console-orientated - and some gamers just can't friggin' handle it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 03:53:16 PM
Mass Effect 3 - REVIEWS

All scores below scored out of a max of 100
PC Gamer -> 93. (http://www.pcgamer.com/review/mass-effect-3-review/)
TenTonHammer -> 77. (http://tentonhammer.com/reviews/mass-effect-3)


All scores below scored out of a max of 10
Eurogamer -> PERFECT 10. (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-06-mass-effect-3-review)
GameInformer -> PERFECT 10. (http://www.gameinformer.com/games/mass_effect_3/b/xbox360/archive/2012/03/06/emotion-runs-high-in-shepard-39-s-farewell.aspx)
AtomicGamer -> PERFECT 10. (http://www.atomicgamer.com/articles/1364/mass-effect-3-review)
IGN -> 9.5. (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/03/01/mass-effect-3-review#)
GameTrailers.com -> 9.5 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/review-mass-effect/727642?)
OXM -> 9.5. (http://www.oxmonline.com/mass-effect-3-review)
CVG -> 9.4 (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/337457/reviews/mass-effect-3-review-an-unforgettable-end-to-an-epic-sci-fi-trilogy-review/)
GamesTM -> 9. (http://www.gamestm.co.uk/reviews/mass-effect-3-review/)
EGM -> 9.0. (http://www.egmnow.com/articles/reviews/egm-reviewmass-effect-3/)
Gamesradar.com -> 9.0. (http://www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-3-review/)
GameSpot -> 9.0 -- Video Review; (http://www.gamespot.com/mass-effect-3/videos/video-review-mass-effect-3-6364776/) Written Review. (http://www.gamespot.com/mass-effect-3/reviews/mass-effect-3-review-6363905/)
Destructoid -> 8.5. (http://www.destructoid.com/review-mass-effect-3-223213.phtml)
VideoGamer -> 8. (http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/mass_effect_3/review.html)
EdgeOnline -> 8. (http://www.edge-online.com/features/mass-effect-3-review)
PCPowerPlay.Com.Au -> 8. (http://www.pcpowerplay.com.au/2012/03/review-mass-effect-3/)

All scores below scored out of a max of 5 stars
G4TV -> PERFECT 5 stars -- Video Review; (http://www.g4tv.com/videos/57615/mass-effect-3-video-review/?quality=hd) Written Review; (http://www.g4tv.com/games/xbox-360/50299/mass-effect-3/review/) Sessler's Soapbox -> How To Play Mass Effect 3. (http://www.g4tv.com/videos/57612/sesslers-soapbox-how-to-play-mass-effect-3/)
Joystiq -> 4 1/2 stars. (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/06/mass-effect-3-single-player-review-this-is-it/)
GiantBomb -> 4 stars (http://www.giantbomb.com/mass-effect-3/61-29935/reviews/)
QuarterToThree -> 4 stars. (http://www.quartertothree.com/fp/2012/03/16/mass-effect-3-ends-your-story/#more-13975)

All grades below scored out of a max of A+ grade
1Up -> A (http://www.1up.com/reviews/mass-effect-3-ps3-xbox360)

No Score listed
GameSpy -> Single Player Review. (http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/mass-effect-3/1220075p1.html)
RockPaperShotgun -> "Wot I Think" Articles -> Single Player Campaign. (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/06/mass-effect-3-review-pc/#more-97514); From Ashes DLC (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/06/what-i-think-mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc/); Multiplayer Portion. (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/16/wot-i-think-mass-effect-3-multiplayer/)
Kotaku -> Single Player Review. (http://kotaku.com/5890467/mass-effect-3-the-kotaku-review)
ArsTechnica -> Verdict = "Buy It". (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2012/03/mass-effect-3-reviewed.ars)
GameBanshee -> 5 page review on ME3. (http://www.gamebanshee.com/reviews/107311-mass-effect-3-review.html); "From Ashes" DLC Review. (http://www.gamebanshee.com/reviews/107387-mass-effect-3-from-ashes-review.html)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 05:07:57 PM
I'm loving it so far!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 05:21:57 PM
PC Gamer -> How MP Affects Your Ending. (http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/03/06/mass-effect-3-war-assets-and-readiness-how-multiplayer-affects-your-ending/)
RockPaperShotgun -> MP Affects The Ending. (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/06/a-mass-effect-3-psa-multiplayer-affects-the-ending/)

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 07:32:22 PM
This is what has happened w/ many Bioware games since NWN.

Many who loved BG games, hated NWN. Many who loved NWN, hated BG games.
Many who who loved DAO, hated DA2. Many who hated DAO, loved DA2.
Many who loved ME1, hated ME2. Many who loved ME2, hated ME1.

I'm explain more, after your next quote...
While Origin is part of the possible hate, I think it's more so the fact that Bioware's sequels over get MAJOR overhauled in some formation from 1 to 2 or 2 to 3.
Look at the trend - their sequels become less RPG-like [in some ways], more action-orientated, & more console-orientated - and some gamers just can't friggin' handle it.


Honestly, I think the elements that they did away with in ME1 were some of the worst parts of that game. The millions of pieces of weapons and armour, for instance that were all repeats or at least functionally the same.  That's just me, however. 

So, really - who's playing this on PC?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 07:54:40 PM
The level of bile the game is getting is way above even the usual Bioware hate. Really, I think a lot of it was the backlash from Dragon Age 2. I'm sure that game made all sorts of money but it didn't earn Bioware any goodwill favors.

I'm about to start (on the PC) in a minute. Just got everything installed and my character imported just fine. I think I made a slight adjustment to my character's face when I imported into ME2 so I got through that just fine. Now I need to get moving.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 08:10:28 PM
Honestly, I think the elements that they did away with in ME1 were some of the worst parts of that game. The millions of pieces of weapons and armour, for instance that were all repeats or at least functionally the same.  That's just me, however.  
Oh, I agree w/ you.
I've always felt ME1 leaned heavily on shooter mechanics for gameplay, yet didn't really play like a shooter. Damn dice-rolls...those should NEVER be involved, when aiming down the sights.
And the Inventory and weapon-naming were all "bleh."

I thought ME2 was a MAJOR improvement on ME1, in terms of how the combat played. Plus, most of the missions and/or side-missions were great.
If I recall, one of ME1's weaknesses were its side-quests...

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 10:14:58 PM
Metacritic's user reviews are becoming a joke.  So many big release sequels just get bombed with negative reviews for little to no reason.  I guess it is still useful for aggregating official reviews, though.

ME2 was a huge improvement over ME1 in almost every way.  2 minute elevator rides?  No thanks.  People who seriously contend that ME2 ruined the series or whatever need to hop off the nostalgia train.

I'm excited for 3.  Just need to wait till I have the funds to get it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 10:37:28 PM
Okay, I thought maybe I was in the minority and had imagined that everyone else has been blown away by how much better of a game ME2 was over ME1.  It's almost like these are just hipster gamers hating on shit because they know it's popular and people like it.

Also, for the PC version at least, I had a feeling that there'd be some backlash over the Origin thing.  I mean,  I can see where they're coming from:

Steam:  Preorder now, get 5-15% off and that bonus game you get with the preorder?  You get it right now.

Origin: Preorder now for full price and we may or may not mail you a code for that bonus game in the future. It depends on whether or not there's enough steam to get a class action suit rolling (WHERE IS MY BATTLEFIELD 3 CODE, YOU FUCKS?)

Digital distribution has problems, as do these platform type services, but Valve runs their shit a lot more customer friendly than EA is doing out of the gate.

Okay, start throwing down your Origin names so we can MP. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 12:32:57 AM
Honestly, I think the elements that they did away with in ME1 were some of the worst parts of that game. The millions of pieces of weapons and armour, for instance that were all repeats or at least functionally the same.  That's just me, however.  

So, really - who's playing this on PC?
I'm on PC with this. Add me on Origin when you get a chance.

EDIT:
Origin name: Xessive
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 08:21:47 AM
ME2 was a huge improvement over ME1 in almost every way.  2 minute elevator rides?  No thanks.  People who seriously contend that ME2 ruined the series or whatever need to hop off the nostalgia train.
I played 1 and 2 back-to-back, so there is no nostalgia here.  I thought 1 was a better game in most ways.  I could see how some didn't like the rover sections, so they got rid of those and replaced them with that ridiculously tedious and stupid planet scanning.  Not to mention that the story in 1 was better.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Cobra951 on Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 08:38:09 AM
I played 1 and 2 back-to-back, so there is no nostalgia here.  I thought 1 was a better game in most ways.  I could see how some didn't like the rover sections, so they got rid of those and replaced them with that ridiculously tedious and stupid planet scanning.  Not to mention that the story in 1 was better.

Agree completely.  I liked 2 overall, but it was a disappointment as a sequel expected to surpass the original.  And I liked the rover, dammit.  That jump tank they replaced it with, and the very limited scope they saddled the world with while you use it, sucked.  I was incensed that I could never save the game while using it.  It felt like getting thrown into an arcade game all of a sudden.  Into the lava?  TOO BAD!  Start over from the beginning, including any weapons loadouts and level ups for your squad.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 09:49:41 AM
Jump tank?  I don't remember that at all.  Was that part of the DLC or something?

I liked 2, don't get me wrong.  But I felt that 1 was a better game overall.  One thing that bothered me about 2 was that they changed bits of the interface and they really stood out when moving directly from one game to the next.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 03:49:53 PM
I respect the two of you when it comes to opinions on game so it boggles my mind that you liked 1 more than 2. 1 for me was broken. As a game it was a 7/10 for me. Maybe one of Bioware's worst games aside from Jade Empire.

I am going to play 1 again so I can play 2 and then 3. Maybe there is something I missed.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 05:26:21 PM
^^ Ditto.  Maybe I should play 1 again for some context.  I remember a fantastic story, but tedious gameplay and occasional moments of serious frustration.  Perhaps I'm guilty of liking 2 more because it was more recent.  :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 05:30:21 PM
The gameplay was just broken. It was like they took dice roll mechanics for a melee game and tried to slap them in a shooting game. So it was like you were shooting but there was dice roll so it was all VERY ridiculous and frustrating and stupid.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Cobra951 on Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 06:29:12 PM
Jump tank?  I don't remember that at all.  Was that part of the DLC or something?

I liked 2, don't get me wrong.  But I felt that 1 was a better game overall.  One thing that bothered me about 2 was that they changed bits of the interface and they really stood out when moving directly from one game to the next.

Oh, it's called the Hammerhead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmhU1-6aqcs).



I didn't realize it involved DLC, but it's included with a new copy of the game on the Xbox.  There's a card with a code in the box, which lets you get several things from the EA network, directly from the main menu of the game.  It was a good deal of stuff, which included a new character for the party, new missions, new armor, new heavy weapons, and I guess this Hammerhead.

My impression of ME2 is that it was a smaller and more simplistic game than 1, despite being on twice as many discs.  It went like this:  Intro setup, get your bearings, find each character, help each character (to get his loyalty), go after the bad guys, win the game.  Skill trees were a very elementary affair, with none of the hard choices and specializations from the first.  Silly planet scanning instead of actually landing and hunting for resources has already been mentioned.  Combat and shooting, yes, definitely better in 2.  They had to improve something.  It was a very fun shooter indeed.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 07:01:36 PM
For me, story is big.  I remember the original Startcraft very fondly not because of its gameplay or multiplayer, but because of its story.  And for me it is simple that ME1 was better than 2 for this reason alone.  2 had a lot of characterization, but not a great story overall.  At least not compared to the first.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 07:57:31 PM
I enjoyed the first game immensely when I first played it:  The atmosphere and story were great, but often found the combat/dungeons/and character progression to be pretty dull and tedious.  It's funny, because I didn't really realize that until I played the second game, which (as was pointed out), was a lot weaker, story wise, but seemed to be improve on pretty much everything else from my perspective. 

Sure, it was a lot more "linear" in appearance, but the first game just kind of gave you the illusion of making your own path. And the rover missions?  Cool for about the first three, and then very, very tedious.

I can see where you're coming from, but I certainly found the second (and now the third) more engrossing. To each their own, I guess.

Also, addicted to the MP in the third.  Oh, and Vanguard kicks ass in single player now. Carry a light load and spec for quick power recharge: blast in, fire ammo shotgun, fire ammo shotgun, weird biotic ground pound, and then heavy melee anything left standing with a fist of dark energy to the face.  aaaaaaand blast out right away if you need to.  So satisfying.

I've literally cleared rooms by blasting from mofo to mofo.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: nickclone on Thursday, March 08, 2012, 07:30:06 AM
After hearing all of the hype, I got ME1 for the 360. Good game, but there are some things that really annoy me:

1. The elevator rides suck, sometimes they put some type of conversation while you're going up or down. Most of the time I get on the elevator and go to the bathroom or check facebook real quick.

2. Sometime I'll walk around and get randomly stuck for no reason. This should be a reason for me to have to save often.

3. Decryption is stupid. I've pressed the right button at the right moment plenty of times and still failed it. That wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have to save before opening it and then loading that save again if I fail. I hope this changes in ME2.

4. I don't like driving around in the vehicle at all, its really clunky and I just really don't like it. I especially don't like those worm things that randomly pop up. The reviews I read talked about how crappy they were, but I didn't realize it until I experienced it first hand. I find it odd that the rover can flip all around, land out of a spaceship without a parachute, take a direct rocket blast, but can't survive one hit from a giant sand worm.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Thursday, March 08, 2012, 09:40:25 AM
The elevator ride thing must have been a console problem.  They were present on PC, but I don't remember them being very lengthy or annoying.  I liked the conversations that took place between Garrus and Wrex during these sequences.

The rover wasn't the greatest thing in the world, but it was so much better than planet scanning.  I loathed scanning.  Every time I did it I wondered why they didn't just dumb it down to the point where you just press "probe" and a probe would automatically go around and find all the resources without you having to tediously move the cursor around and look for a spike in signal.

In any case, it's pretty clear that people disagree and that's fine.  I played and loved ME1 and I played and loved ME2 right after.  I just loved ME2 a little less because of the story.  It was very Matrix: Reloaded, not contributing very much to the overall story of the series.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, March 08, 2012, 04:10:28 PM
Oh, boy...here we go... (http://www.destructoid.com/did-bioware-lie-about-mass-effect-3-s-day-one-dlc--223448.phtml)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Thursday, March 08, 2012, 04:29:50 PM
Having the DLC and seen the content, I think it's pretty shitty that it wasn't included with the standard edition of the game because it shakes things up a fair bit from a story standpoint, touches subjects at the core of the story, and is well integrated into the game proper. The way the character works within the game is far more seamless than any of the ME2 extras and I had I not known it was DLC I wouldn't have thought it was part of the original game. Either that means it was just made very well or it was part of the original game and pulled for some asshole reason. Given all the extra crap attached with EA nonsense I would guess the later.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, March 08, 2012, 05:18:30 PM
SPOILERS ARE IN THIS LINK:
IGN -> Mass Effect Series - Romance Guide. (http://www.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/Romance)

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Cobra951 on Thursday, March 08, 2012, 08:30:27 PM
Oh, boy...here we go... (http://www.destructoid.com/did-bioware-lie-about-mass-effect-3-s-day-one-dlc--223448.phtml)


Lying liars.  Oh well.  I needed a break from the franchise anyway.  When the DLC-that-wasn't is included, or when the game is so cheap that buying it plus the DLC still adds up to a good price, I'll pick it up.  I got ME2 for $20 at Best Buy like a year after release anyway, so it will be par for the course.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Thursday, March 08, 2012, 08:45:46 PM
Yeah, I got both ME1 and 2 for $10 each.  I didn't get any of the DLC for 2 though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Thursday, March 08, 2012, 10:38:43 PM
Lying liars.  Oh well.  I needed a break from the franchise anyway.  When the DLC-that-wasn't is included, or when the game is so cheap that buying it plus the DLC still adds up to a good price, I'll pick it up.  I got ME2 for $20 at Best Buy like a year after release anyway, so it will be par for the course.

Honestly, that's probably the most reasonable route to take.  I still find it hilarious how much people are complaining about everything to do with this game. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Cobra951 on Friday, March 09, 2012, 12:10:41 AM
Yeah, I got both ME1 and 2 for $10 each.  I didn't get any of the DLC for 2 though.

The DLC I got for 2 was all part of the package for a new copy of the game, standard edition.  I don't know if it was that way all along or not, though.  All I care about is that I didn't pay anything extra.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Friday, March 09, 2012, 02:15:05 AM
I actually ended up buying Lair of the Shadow Broker, Kasumi's Wish, and The Arrival for ME2 before getting back into three.  It wasn't cheap (probably $20 for all three), and it wasn't easy (three separate transactions due to the way the pricing works with Bioware points on PC), but I loved the game and wanted to get back into it a bit before the third came out.

Was it worth it?  Maybe.  I got quite a bit of enjoyment out of it, but it was probably only 5 hours of game-play all in. I'd say that DLC is rarely worth it from my experience there.

Anyway, this game is turning out better and better.  Some epic choices come up....and my Vanguard Sheppard is pretty much invincible in the most badass way possible.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: nickclone on Friday, March 09, 2012, 07:17:47 AM
The elevator ride thing must have been a console problem.  They were present on PC, but I don't remember them being very lengthy or annoying.  I liked the conversations that took place between Garrus and Wrex during these sequences.

The rover wasn't the greatest thing in the world, but it was so much better than planet scanning.  I loathed scanning.  Every time I did it I wondered why they didn't just dumb it down to the point where you just press "probe" and a probe would automatically go around and find all the resources without you having to tediously move the cursor around and look for a spike in signal.

In any case, it's pretty clear that people disagree and that's fine.  I played and loved ME1 and I played and loved ME2 right after.  I just loved ME2 a little less because of the story.  It was very Matrix: Reloaded, not contributing very much to the overall story of the series.

Don't get me wrong, I still really like the game. Its just that it makes me wonder if the game testers said anything or were even listened to when they gave this game the run through.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Friday, March 09, 2012, 02:51:04 PM
Sorry, I just didn't have the experience you did.  I thoroughly enjoyed the game in its entirety.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, March 09, 2012, 04:42:49 PM
Former ME Designer defends Day One DLC. (http://www.shacknews.com/article/72810/mass-effect-designer-defends-day-one-dlc-says-game-developers)

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When BioWare revealed day-one single player DLC for Mass Effect 3, players were up-in-arms about how content had been cut for the sole purpose of making more money. But is that really true? Christina Norman, former designer and programmer of the Mass Effect franchise (currently at Riot Games), presented a one minute rant at Game Developers Conference, asking consumers to simply "judge our games based on what they are."

"There's no point in releasing DLC a year after your game has come out when most people have already sold your game back to GameStop three times," she told the audience. "That means getting it out early; that means even day-one DLC. That is a terrible thing to some players. Players rant--they know nothing about this DLC that's coming out except its name. But then it's 'oh this game must be incomplete, the game must be ruined.' Game developers are not evil. (Some are evil.) But most are not evil."

"We just want to release awesome stuff. Players please, give us a chance. Judge our games based on what they are. Judge the DLC based on what it is. Stop thinking you're a producer and telling us when and where we should be building our content."


Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Friday, March 09, 2012, 04:47:40 PM
Why are we reading PR nonsense? If it was coming one year later we'd have a perfectly good PR spin on it too.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, March 09, 2012, 04:49:08 PM
Shacknews -> BioWare on clarifying on MP in relation to the game's endings. (http://www.shacknews.com/article/72803/bioware-clarifies-mass-effect-3-multiplayer-in-relation-to-the)
I'm throwing this in Spoiler Tags, in case you don't want to know about how to deal w/ MP and SP for trying to the better to best ending...
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, March 09, 2012, 04:56:14 PM
Why are we reading PR nonsense? If it was coming one year later we'd have a perfectly good PR spin on it too.
To see what kind of stupidity people come up w/.
Why don't PR department just be real and honest and say, "Yeah, we put out Day-One DLC; we put DLC on disc - now, if you want full experience, buy the DLC too and support us."
I mean, it's not ME3 is say 5 hours short, like some OTHER games...

EDIT:
GameSpot -> Kevin VanOrd article - "Why Do You Hate Mass Effect 3?" (http://www.gamespot.com/features/why-do-you-hate-mass-effect-3-6365175/)
Kevin's article on trying to figure out why there's so much different kinds of hate on ME3 currently.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, March 09, 2012, 07:17:13 PM
BioWare -> Chris Priestly of BioWare posts a fan-made workaround for importing faces throughout the ME series on the PC. (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9661093)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Saturday, March 10, 2012, 09:01:54 PM
Why are we reading PR nonsense? If it was coming one year later we'd have a perfectly good PR spin on it too.

I don't think there's any spin on that at all.  It was a pretty blunt "this is why we do this" statement.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, March 10, 2012, 10:33:20 PM
I don't know why somebody would be "hating on" ME3. Mass Effect has been getting progressively better with each iteration. It's not perfect, of course, but it's pretty damn good.

I love ME1, ME2, and now ME3. ME1 had the advantage of breaking new ground and setting our expectations for the series.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Cobra951 on Sunday, March 11, 2012, 04:53:44 AM
No hate here.  I hate lying liars, and I hate game content getting yanked and then sold as extra or included in an overly expensive edition only.  That is plain old greedy bullshit, which I want to blame on EA and not Bioware (which may be wishful thinking on my part).  But I love the games themselves so far.  Yes, I loved ME2.  The disappointment I mentioned was a relative feeling, based on expectations after the first one, and after all the accolades for 2.  I expect to love 3 as well, as soon as I don't get ripped off by buying it in its current intentionally incomplete or overpriced state.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, March 11, 2012, 11:47:14 AM
Forbes -> Video shows ME3 DLC Character is on the disc and article about ME3 "From Ashes" DLC. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/11/new-video-shows-mass-effect-3-day-one-dlc-already-on-disc/)
They're not sure if the entire DLC mission for Javik is on the disc, though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Sunday, March 11, 2012, 12:09:12 PM
No hate here.  I hate lying liars, and I hate game content getting yanked and then sold as extra or included in an overly expensive edition only.  That is plain old greedy bullshit, which I want to blame on EA and not Bioware (which may be wishful thinking on my part).  But I love the games themselves so far.  Yes, I loved ME2.  The disappointment I mentioned was a relative feeling, based on expectations after the first one, and after all the accolades for 2.  I expect to love 3 as well, as soon as I don't get ripped off by buying it in its current intentionally incomplete or overpriced state.
Yeah, I agree that is shitty in any case. I feel a little hypocritical having bought the Digital Deluxe edition myself.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Sunday, March 11, 2012, 08:40:52 PM
Well, that's done. My thoughts on the ending. I'm trying to be vague without giving specific details, but better safe than sorry.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Sunday, March 11, 2012, 08:46:28 PM
How many hours did it take you to finish it?  And I'm totally not reading the spoiler text at all, but I HAVE pieced together a few things about the ending from the general, spoiler free, reaction to it -I've steeled myself and am just pumped on how much fun I'm having with the game as I'm playing it.

They did manage to squeeze some pretty cool things in that are at least partially dependant on your decisions in the first two games, and I honestly thought that they'd end up coping out more than that, just because of the logistics of doing it. But, time will tell if my reaction to that changes, I guess.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Sunday, March 11, 2012, 09:07:34 PM
My clock said 40 hours, but I don't think that's right. I left the game running and walked alway several times for, sometimes, hours at a time. I would guess it was more on the order of 25ish-30ish hours.

But yeah, I was really impressed with how they were doing all sort of callback to choices I made over the previous two games. Even if some of it was window dressing or a throw away comment, they were nice touches that made things feel cohesive.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Sunday, March 11, 2012, 10:04:17 PM
I haven't finished it yet. I've spent quite a bit of time in multiplayer! It's pretty addictive and I love how the structure encourages cooperation for success. The support-oriented classes play a critical role when you're up against bosses/mini-bosses.

We gotta play some time ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Monday, March 12, 2012, 12:07:08 AM
Yeah, I've been pretty addicted to MP as well.  They've come up with a good system there.  Oh, and Vanguards are just as fun (and fucking shit kickers) in MP.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: beo on Monday, March 12, 2012, 11:22:52 AM
definitely. i've been playing as vanguard throughout the series and totally love it - sometimes you can end up in awkward situations, but most the time you're just boosting all over the place knocking people through the air. i can't imagine playing as any other class.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Monday, March 12, 2012, 11:26:45 AM
Too scared to read the last bunch of replies for spoilers.  But I started playing through ME1 again last night.  Going to go through both games again before starting 3.  And hopefully by the time I finish them, there will be a price drop.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Monday, March 12, 2012, 05:00:28 PM
EA Responds to Mass Effect 3 "From Ashes" Day DLC. (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/11/fan-claims-proof-that-mass-effect-3-day-one-dlc-was-on-disc.aspx)

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UPDATE:
EA has provided us with the following official statement in response to allegations that the "From Ashes" day one DLC for Mass Effect 3 was on the disc:

"From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc."
 
"As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2."

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Monday, March 12, 2012, 07:38:34 PM
Okay, THAT'S probably PR spin.   Probably.  Maybe just a lie...but it'd be stupid to lie about the download size.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 01:02:50 AM
Well, that's done. My thoughts on the ending. I'm trying to be vague without giving specific details, but better safe than sorry.

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Just finished it, going into spoiler talk here:

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Cobra951 on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 05:50:53 AM
I got as far as "unsatisfying ending", then chose to stop reading.  I've read other comments similarly critical about it.  What cracked me up was a guy saying he wouldn't be able to play any other RPGs anymore for fear of similar endings.  Haha!  Such a horrid fate!  So this thing has more serious issues than a rip-off business model?  Obviously you can't tell me very much without spoilers.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 02:56:56 PM
For those w/ issues on kits being relocked in MP, this is from Chris Priestly of Bioware... (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/9685812/1)

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Some players are experiencing an issue where kits they have unlocked in multplayer are becoming locked again (eg. Alien kits, weapons, mods, etc).

You can reduce your chances of this happening by:

    avoiding going into the Store while 'Ready' for a multiplayer match. It's best to un-ready yourself before you go to the store.
    not accepting invites while in the store/purchasing


We continue to investigate this issue and will update when we have more information. Thank you for your patience

EDIT:
Destructoid's DToid Show - At 8:40 - 15:00 -> ME3 Day-One DLC, Ending & Players' Rage Discussion. (http://www.destructoid.com/the-dtoid-show-is-mass-effect-3-ending-rage-justified--223716.phtml)
Forbes -> ME3 and The Pernocious Myth On Gamer Entitlement. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/13/mass-effect-3-and-the-pernicious-myth-of-gamer-entitlement/)
G4TV -> Sessler's Soapbox -> His thoughts on ME3 Day-One DLC, The Controversial Ending & Same Sex Relationships. (http://www.g4tv.com/videos/57704/sesslers-soapbox-mass-effect-3-wrap-up/?cmpid=sn-110418-facebook-28-fbfantrack)

EDIT 2:
IGN - Rumors of ME3 Multiplayer-based DLC possible coming??. (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/1220617p1.html)

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 04:05:14 PM
I got as far as "unsatisfying ending", then chose to stop reading.  I've read other comments similarly critical about it.  What cracked me up was a guy saying he wouldn't be able to play any other RPGs anymore for fear of similar endings.  Haha!  Such a horrid fate!  So this thing has more serious issues than a rip-off business model?  Obviously you can't tell me very much without spoilers.

Honestly, I don't think the ending is as big of a deal as most seem to make it out to be but I'm probably in the minority there and most likely because I didn't really have the highest of expectations.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 04:07:18 PM
Is the ME3 Ending as depressing as PST's Ending?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 04:18:06 PM
It's not the worst ending in the world, but it just felt so stupid and unsatisfying to me that it really left me a bit cold.

And depressing wouldn't even be a bad thing. I would actually be pretty happy with a sad ending (heh). I just wanted a bit of closure and maybe a goodbye (think the ending of MGS4, the LotRs movies).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 06:33:31 PM
Escapist Magazine -> Comic - Mass Effect 3's Ending: The Five Stages of Grief. (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/9476-Mass-Effect-3-The-Process)

(http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/85/85327.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 07:36:04 PM
Ahahaha.  I think most of the outrage is because of panel 2 there.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 03:30:23 PM
Kotaku -> "Which PC Hardware Best Contributes to Mass Effect 3’s War Effort?" - Benchmarking ME3 PC. (http://kotaku.com/5892945/which-pc-hardware-best-contributes-to-mass-effect-3s-war-effort?utm_campaign=socialflow_kotaku_facebook&utm_source=kotaku_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

IGN -> Casey Hudson of BioWare responds on ME3's Day-One DLC and ME3's Ending. (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/1220712p1.html)
DigitalTrends -> Casey Hudson interview. (http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/exclusive-mass-effect-3s-director-addresses-the-games-controversies/)
CVG -> 86% of the CVG Readers [that voted] think BioWare blew ME3's Ending. (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/340022/mass-effect-3-86-think-bioware-blew-the-ending)

GameSpot -> Laura Parker - "Why BioWare Shouldn't Change Mass Effect 3's Ending". (http://www.gamespot.com/features/dont-like-mass-effect-3s-ending-deal-with-it-6366066/)

SPOILERS IN BELOW LINKS:
Armchair Arcade -> Matt Barton - "Why Mass Effect 3 Had an Awesome Ending." (http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/node/4620)
RockPaperShotgun -> Mass Effect 3: The End of An Epic - Article on ME3's Ending. (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/14/mass-effect-3-the-end-of-an-epic/)
GameFront -> Mass Effect 3 Ending-Hatred - 5 Reasons The Fans Are Right. (http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 04:07:32 PM
Eh. With a few more days away from the experience I think less and less of the game in general and even more less of the ending. I just can't help feeling like the end was just lame but that's the biggest gaming news in the world right now so I won't get into it anymore than that. It is worth saying that leadup to the ending was pretty fantastic.

The game itself just lacked a cohesiveness and cleverness from the previous games. There were fewer hubworlds (I think there were maybe 3 non-combat zones not counting the Normandy), there were fewer interesting or fun moments (remember the biotic Volus?), fewer major conversation with your crew members, and it didn't occur to me until yesterday that Shepard lost nearly all neutral responses during conversation (it all became binary Renegade/Paragon). In exchange the combat was improved, I enjoyed all the new loadout options, and there was some really awesome combat sequences. Still, I wish some of the more subtle moments were preserved since those are what made the series for me.

Oh well. Still enjoyed the game despite being so down on it. Just disappointed a little in that it doesn't quite feel like it lived up to first two games.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 04:54:55 PM
Eh. With a few more days away from the experience I think less and less of the game in general and even more less of the ending. I just can't help feeling like the end was just lame but that's the biggest gaming news in the world right now so I won't get into it anymore than that. It is worth saying that leadup to the ending was pretty fantastic.

The game itself just lacked a cohesiveness and cleverness from the previous games. There were fewer hubworlds (I think there were maybe 3 non-combat zones not counting the Normandy), there were fewer interesting or fun moments (remember the biotic Volus?), fewer major conversation with your crew members, and it didn't occur to me until yesterday that Shepard lost nearly all neutral responses during conversation (it all became binary Renegade/Paragon). In exchange the combat was improved, I enjoyed all the new loadout options, and there was some really awesome combat sequences. Still, I wish some of the more subtle moments were preserved since those are what made the series for me.

Oh well. Still enjoyed the game despite being so down on it. Just disappointed a little in that it doesn't quite feel like it lived up to first two games.

Why are there such a lack of hub-worlds in ME3?  :o
As much as I loved ME2, I wish there were more cool hub-worlds in that game.
To hear they did more of the same there w/ ME3 - man, how disappointing that sounds...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
Yeah, I think they were knocked out as part of the streamlining initiative that they dedicated themselves to after the first game.  To be honest, I kinda liked that because the Mass Effect sidequests always kinda sucked ass anyways..which is kinda what hub worlds are all about.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 11:38:06 PM
On a related note, the Mass Effect related twitter accounts are basically trolling the fanbase now and kind of pretending they have something up their sleeves.  They probably don't, but the general consensus I've read from the fans is "Well, if they do have post ending DLC I'll pretty much HAVE to buy it.....damn them."

The best thing they could do at this point would be release something for free that's well though out and obviously was planned before hand, but I really doubt that's going to happen.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 01:03:02 AM
So far the only comparison for a "fix the ending" would be Fallout 3. BethSoft handled by bundling the new ending with the Brotherhood of Steel DLC.

In the case of ME3 I think to pay for a DLC that does nothing but the ending should be in a patch or a free update. If they cleverly bundle it with a larger DLC/expansion they could see some appreciation from the fans, gladly ponying up the cash for it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Cobra951 on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 07:29:35 AM
Interesting comparison.  I waited until the GotY of FO3 with all DLCs too, including BoS.  I already said I was going to wait on ME3 anyway.  It would be cool if they improved the end game like Beth did with Fallout.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 10:15:26 AM
Interesting comparison.  I waited until the GotY of FO3 with all DLCs too, including BoS.  I already said I was going to wait on ME3 anyway.  It would be cool if they improved the end game like Beth did with Fallout.


Interesting comparison indeed:  I was far more disappointed with the ending of Fallout 3 than I was here.  Might just be me.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 10:29:26 AM
I'm sort of the opposite. The ending of Fallout was more about closing a single quest line than anything else. I was far more invested in the world itself than the characters and your story.

I never did buy Brotherhood of Steel. I know that changed the ending, but wasn't it more so that the game didn't end and continue on rather than the full on redo that people are whining for with Mass Effect?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Thursday, March 15, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
Well, I finally finished ME3

I don't get what all the fuss was about. I liked it, the end was not fantastic but it was satisfactory. I guess people were expecting something like in Dragon Age: Origins, with passages telling you what happened to your friends and what became of certain things you influenced.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Friday, March 16, 2012, 12:04:01 AM
X was it as bad as NWN2? (Which had me shouting)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Friday, March 16, 2012, 05:07:57 AM
I don't remember NWN2.. Which should be a clear sign it was not a memorable experience.. Except for the plethora of bugs when it was first released.

I didn't mind the ending of ME3 so much. I agree I would have liked to know what happened to my companions but it resolved the main plot: Reaper threat.

If I had to pick a favourite, I'd go with Mass Effect 1. Usually the introduction to a new universe is what catches me. In terms of overall gameplay I like ME3, Bioware have tweaked a lot of the mechanics and uned Shepard's movements. I do kinda miss hacking terminals and door locks though. That omission in ME3 kinda sucked. I am glad they got rid of the Mako segments and the tedious planet-scanning/probing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, March 16, 2012, 03:20:48 PM
ME3 Ending
NO SPOILERS
GameSpy -> Ken Levine (of Irrational Boston) would be "Sad" if BioWare changed the ME3 Ending. (http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/mass-effect-3/1221240p1.html)
Destructoid -> Jim Sterling - Jimquisition: The Positive Side Of ME3's Ending Drama. (http://www.destructoid.com/jimquisition-the-positive-side-of-me3-s-ending-drama-224128.phtml)
Destructoid -> What some of their readers thought of ME3's Ending. (http://www.destructoid.com/here-s-what-you-thought-of-mass-effect-3-s-ending-223969.phtml)
Destructoid -> BioWare will discuss things about the ending LATER...once more gamers get there. (http://www.destructoid.com/bioware-will-discuss-mass-effect-3-ending-later-223968.phtml)
Destructoid -> Jim Sterling's Jimquisition - On ME3: Changing a game's ending and destroying art. (http://www.destructoid.com/jimquisition-changing-a-game-s-ending-and-destroying-art-224973.phtml)
Destructoid -> Sophie Prell - Why BioWare should change the Mass Effect 3 ending. (http://www.destructoid.com/why-bioware-should-change-the-mass-effect-3-ending-225222.phtml)
ME3 SPOILERS IN BELOW LINKS:
TheVerge.com -> Adam Sessler of G4TV; Kevin Van Ord of GameSpot; and Francesca Reyes of Official X-Box Magazine discuss the ME3 Ending, Narrative & Controversy. (http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/3/26/2898253/mass-effect-3-ending-talk)
Destructoid -> Why ME3 Haters Need To Calm Down. (http://www.destructoid.com/why-mass-effect-3-haters-need-to-calm-down-223966.phtml)
Bioware Social Club -> Casey Hudson of BioWare speaks on the conclusion of ME3. (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946)
Shacknews -> ME3 Post-Ending DLC Teased by Bioware...possibly. (http://www.shacknews.com/article/72865/mass-effect-3-post-ending-dlc-teased-by-bioware/?cid=gdn031612)
Penny Arcade -> Their thoughts on the ME3 Ending. (http://penny-arcade.com/2012/03/14)
GameSpot -> ME3 Guide on War Assets + MP. (http://www.gamespot.com/mass-effect/videos/war-assets-plus-multiplayer-equals-best-ending-me3-spoilers-6366681/)
RockPaperShotgun -> Was ME3's Ending predicted by ME1? (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/29/mass-effect-3-ending-hinted-at-by-mass-effect-1-after-all/)
G4TV -> Feedback - ME3 Ending Round-Table Discussion. (http://www.g4tv.com/videos/58021/feedback-mass-effect-3-ending-controversy/?quality=hd)
GameSpot -> What Just Happened? The End of ME3 Confessionals (http://www.gamespot.com/mass-effect-3/videos/what-just-happened-the-end-of-me3-confessionals-spoilers-6370335/)

MP Stuff
PC Gamer -> ME3 MP Data released; Events planned for ME3; First Event this weekend. (http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/03/16/mass-effect-3-multiplayer-data-released-weekend-event-awards-unique-item-pack-for-reaper-genocide/)
G4TV -> Cancelled ME Multiplayer FPS, which eventually became ME3's MP. (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/721804/mass-effect-team-assault-the-canceled-mass-effect-fps/)

FemShep Stats
Kotaku -> Only 1 of 5 players play ME3 as FemShep. (http://kotaku.com/5893980/only-1-out-of-5-mass-effect-gamers-plays-as-a-woman?utm_campaign=socialflow_kotaku_facebook&utm_source=kotaku_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

Day 1 DLC
Forbes -> Brent Knowles (former developer of Bioware) on Day 1 DLC. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/17/former-bioware-designer-brent-knowles-on-day-one-dlc-and-the-mass-effect-of-public-relations/)


EDIT:

GeForce -> ME3 PC Version Tweak Guide for NVidia video card users. (http://www.geforce.com/Optimize/Guides/mass-effect-3-tweak-guide?sf3549088=1)
HardOCP -> Benchmarking ME3 PC. (http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/03/26/mass_effect_3_gameplay_performance_iq_review/1)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 03:44:21 PM
Ray Muzyka [co-founder of BioWare] shares his Open-Letter to ME3 fans. (http://blog.bioware.com/2012/03/21/4108/)

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 04:22:31 PM
Oh get over yourself.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 07:02:43 PM
It'll be really interesting to see what they do here, and thy have to do SOMETHING.  The amount of backlash is amazing to me.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, April 05, 2012, 03:12:26 PM
PCG -> Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut - FREE DLC to expand the ending this Summer. (http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/05/mass-effect-3-extended-cut-free-dlc-to-expand-ending-this-summer/)
Kotaku -> SPOILERS - Bioware says "No Comment" on the Indoctrination Theory on ME3's Ending. (http://kotaku.com/5899919/no-comment-from-bioware-on-the-mass-effect-3-indoctrination-theory?utm_campaign=socialflow_kotaku_facebook&utm_source=kotaku_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Friday, April 06, 2012, 07:33:33 PM
It's funny, the ME3 debacle has really made me think that most hard core video game fans are just pieces of garbage. I don't know if anyone here ever listened to Keith and the Girl, but Keith would sometimes go off about videogame/comic/whatever fans.  See, he liked all these things, but would just rant about how you can't please these elitist assholes. This reminded me of it.

Sure, the ending blew, and there were problems with the games, but Bioware announces free MP DLC this month and "They should be putting the resources towards fixing the SP ending...of their GODDAMN SINGLE PLAYER GAME SERIES. RAR!".  A day later, Bioware announces free SP DLC to fix the ending, but "THEY EITHER PLANNED THIS FROM THE BEGINING AND ARE HUGE TROLLS, OR ARE JUST PANDERING! THEY'VE REALLY LOST IT".

C'mon Dawgs.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, April 07, 2012, 04:01:26 AM
Agree with GPW.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Cobra951 on Saturday, April 07, 2012, 06:19:44 AM
It's funny, the ME3 debacle has really made me think that most hard core video game fans are just pieces of garbage. I don't know if anyone here ever listened to Keith and the Girl, but Keith would sometimes go off about videogame/comic/whatever fans.  See, he liked all these things, but would just rant about how you can't please these elitist assholes. This reminded me of it.

Sure, the ending blew, and there were problems with the games, but Bioware announces free MP DLC this month and "They should be putting the resources towards fixing the SP ending...of their GODDAMN SINGLE PLAYER GAME SERIES. RAR!".  A day later, Bioware announces free SP DLC to fix the ending, but "THEY EITHER PLANNED THIS FROM THE BEGINING AND ARE HUGE TROLLS, OR ARE JUST PANDERING! THEY'VE REALLY LOST IT".

C'mon Dawgs.

Just yesterday, I glanced at 2 user reviews (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1391116/reviews) of the same movie.  One gave it a 10, the other a 1.  One said the movie was haunting and poetic; the other said it was possibly the worst British film of last year.  At least one of these people is a moron or a liar.  The problem is that, without seeing the movie, I don't know which one.  (I don't read spoiler-tagged reviews, so I can't get any hints that way on the second one.)

The sum of all opinions on the internet is zero.  The people clamoring for a beefed-up ending in ME3 are not the same people accusing Bioware of shenanigans or caving in.  Yes, there are many morons in the mix, and they muddy the waters so much that it's hard to find the substantive commentary.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, April 07, 2012, 07:25:47 AM
The worst case is when a few bad apples ruin something for the rest.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, April 12, 2012, 03:23:25 PM
Oh, this bites for ME3 PS3 owners. (http://www.destructoid.com/mass-effect-3-multiplayer-challenges-not-approved-by-sony-225720.phtml)
The MP Events that ME3 has been having [often on weekends] is only being run on PC and X360 currently b/c Sony hasn't approved of these events, for some reason...

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Friday, April 20, 2012, 01:13:12 PM
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Friday, May 04, 2012, 02:50:45 PM
Finally played through the game.  Overall, combat was fantastic and the storyline was good.  Character development wasn't as good as it was in the past.  You could tell it heavily relied on ME1 and ME2 with most characters.  The sidequests were boring.  Basically, go exploring in the galaxy, find random shit, then walk around in the Citadel and try to talk to everyone.  Eventually, someone will take it and pay you for it.  Rinse repeat like 50 times.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, May 04, 2012, 03:19:49 PM
I'm about 10-11 hours into ME3 PC...and the game's been awesome, so far.

Improvements over ME2:
ME2 has no inventory, while ME3 has a mini-inventory that can be accessed...at certain locations, times, and places.
Picking up a new weapon while in a mission, lets you access your inventory on the fly, if you want.
The more weapons you carry, the more speed penalties you have on your player b/c it goes by weight - this is just an interesting new gimmick. Want more speed, carry light.
You can also upgrade and modify weapons WAY much more than ME2, as well.
More skills to upgrade - and even then, you're given choices on buffing that certain skill one direction or another; you have to make a choice and live w/ it.
Addition of being able to do a combat roll when in combat - you can additionally also even do this while in cover.
You can do stealth-like kills while in cover.
Melee is WAY more useful than in ME2.

Annoyances:
Lack of graphics options and bells and whistles. Even the game's config, it doesn't have much there. Your best off bumping everything up via your video card's software settings, if you got a good PC.
And yes - looks much better, if you do it through your vid-card's control center [software].
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Friday, May 04, 2012, 09:34:51 PM
Funny spoilers:

http://hexwarrior.tumblr.com/post/20011007442/mass-effect-3-ending-spoilers

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, May 05, 2012, 12:46:19 AM
So I started playing ME2 again in preparation for ME3 using ME1 save files. Brilliant Brillaint game. Having a blast. Can't stop playing. I have bought ME3 though.

I am a little confused and don't care about doing research. The fact that I have bought ME2 from Origin means I get all that day 1 DLC, correct?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, May 05, 2012, 09:43:10 AM
So I started playing ME2 again in preparation for ME3 using ME1 save files. Brilliant Brillaint game. Having a blast. Can't stop playing. I have bought ME3 though.

I am a little confused and don't care about doing research. The fact that I have bought ME2 from Origin means I get all that day 1 DLC, correct?
The Cerberus Network DLC's came w/ ME2 Retail Copies [Reg and Digital] and ME2 Digital Deluxe.

From what I'm reading... (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/106/index/7746859/1#11098724)
If you bought ME2 Digital Deluxe digitally from Origin, check your e-mail account tied to Origin.
Look for an e-mail from EA w/ the Cerberus Network DLC code.
If you can't find it, take it up w/ EA Support that you never received The Cerberus Network DLC.
You'd have to register those onto your Bioware Social Account so you can get access to download them.

Here's the list of The Cerberus Network DLC's, since there are a handful of DLC's w/ that. (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Cerberus_Network).
Quote
Normandy Crash Site
Zaeed - The Price of Revenge
Cerberus Weapon and Armor
Arc Projector
Firewalker Pack

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, May 05, 2012, 01:29:21 PM
Sorry I mean ME3. What about 'From Ashes'. That's crap that I have to buy it!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, May 05, 2012, 01:56:26 PM
Sorry I mean ME3. What about 'From Ashes'. That's crap that I have to buy it!
Even worse when EA and Bioware make it a bitch to buy from certain regions.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, May 05, 2012, 02:12:06 PM
WTF. I have spent the better part of an hour trying to buy the stupid DLC. My country is listed but I keep getting errors. Why not just tell me it is a region issue rather than stupid errors. No wonder people pirate DLC. Fuck EA.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, May 05, 2012, 03:26:58 PM
Sorry I mean ME3. What about 'From Ashes'. That's crap that I have to buy it!

From Ashes ONLY came w/ ME3 Retail Collector's Edition and ME3 Digital Deluxe.
It DOES NOT come any of the Regular Editions.
It's part of EA's Day 1 DLC Project $10.

WTF. I have spent the better part of an hour trying to buy the stupid DLC. My country is listed but I keep getting errors. Why not just tell me it is a region issue rather than stupid errors. No wonder people pirate DLC. Fuck EA.
Oh, that bloody sucks...Bleh.
Though, From Ashes is not really something I'd drop $10 USD on for what is about 30 mins to 1 hour of gameplay, from what I read in reviews like at RPS (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/06/what-i-think-mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc/) and GameBanshee. (http://www.gamebanshee.com/reviews/107387-mass-effect-3-from-ashes-review.html)

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, May 05, 2012, 05:32:21 PM
I'll pirate it. If they don't want my money... what can I do? :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Saturday, May 05, 2012, 07:02:11 PM
Bam!  There you go.


Finally played through the game.  Overall, combat was fantastic and the storyline was good.  Character development wasn't as good as it was in the past.  You could tell it heavily relied on ME1 and ME2 with most characters.  The sidequests were boring.  Basically, go exploring in the galaxy, find random shit, then walk around in the Citadel and try to talk to everyone.  Eventually, someone will take it and pay you for it.  Rinse repeat like 50 times.

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I agree with all of this.
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Saturday, May 05, 2012, 09:24:38 PM
Interesting - I hadn't heard that.  Did they say what the old ending was?  Haha.

Also, I LOVE THIS SPOILER IMAGE:

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/077/1/d/mass_effect_3__yo_dog__by_thewonderingsword-d4t5urj.jpg
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Monday, May 14, 2012, 09:52:23 AM
So I just started playing! I AM SO HAPPY. I just finished ME2 and ALL the DLC ever released...

Now I am on ME3 and it is like ME1... but good! I can see this was their vision for ME2 but they probably rushed it. Now it feels like an RPG again. :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Monday, May 14, 2012, 11:52:06 AM
I am really really pleased so far. It is like the best of both earlier games put together. They had even made doors automatic in the last game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Monday, May 14, 2012, 06:46:27 PM
Interesting - I hadn't heard that.  Did they say what the old ending was?  Haha.


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I am really really pleased so far. It is like the best of both earlier games put together. They had even made doors automatic in the last game.

Oh, I know.  All in all I still think this is the best game in the series.  So much is just done right.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Monday, May 14, 2012, 11:15:40 PM
Totally agree.  The combat was FANTASTIC.  I'll be playing it through again after I get my Diablo 3 fix.  I want to mess around with new squad combos.  I really liked using the same two characters for most of the game: the one with Carnage and the one with the gravity ball/Warp thing.  I tore through everything I came across with that combo + my Sentinel/sniper rifle Shepherd.  But I didn't experiment much with others.  The tech people I found mostly useless.  I should give them another chance.  Or perhaps play a more biotic-oriented character.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Monday, May 14, 2012, 11:26:54 PM
Wait...your squadmates have powers?  My Vanguard Sheppard was too busy killing everything that moved to notice.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Monday, May 14, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
They can be useful for lining up headshots ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 01:40:18 AM
Wait...your squadmates have powers?  My Vanguard Sheppard was too busy killing everything that moved to notice.

hahahaha...

I had taken heavy barrier as my bonus in the last game. I didn't start with it here.

I love all this melee focus. I also love how the environments so far feel really open. Again, it is like the best of both games. I thought the second game was superior to the first easily because of all the balancing issues in ME1, but they made the streamlining far too obvious in ME2.

I am glad I payed the Batarian DLC in ME2. From what I understand, the game will force you to start on Earth with the consequences of that, no matter what.

WTF?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 02:58:11 PM
While the game is AWESOME...
I just really wish ROLL [tap your Storm key] and STORM RUN [hold Storm key] were on different buttons.
Sometimes I just wanna QUICK Storm, and the dude bloody ROLLS.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 04:03:09 PM
What the heck is Storm Run? I am on the third ME with ME2 finished twice and I have no idea.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 04:12:51 PM
What the heck is Storm Run? I am on the third ME with ME2 finished twice and I have no idea.

The way he runs...it's listed as Storm in the controls, if I recall...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 04:14:25 PM
Ohhhhh....

why not call it run?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 04:15:49 PM
Ohhhhh....

why not call it run?

It's listed in the controls as Storm...

Anyways, I wish RUN and ROLL were on two different hotkeys.
It'd make my life easier.
It sometimes ROLLS [b/c it's a tap of that key], when I want to use RUN for a short moment.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 08:10:07 PM
You can move using your legs in combat? My Vanguard Sheppard just used his biotic charge to fly across the map, slam into a dude, pound fist the ground to fuck his friends up and then shove a shotgun down the throat of anyone stupid enough to still be standing.


Y'all are playing this game wrong.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:42:38 AM
You aren't going to stop, are you?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 03:47:46 AM
I play in one of two ways: close-quarters-sneaky-stealth-bastard or long-range-camp-and-pick-'em-off. Anything in between is irrelevant.

In multiplayer, a Vanguard's presence is always welcome.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
You aren't going to stop, are you?

Did my Vanguard Sheppard stop when faced with overwhelming odds?  No, he looked those odds in the face and came right at them with a biotic heavy melee.  And if the odds got in a couple of cheap shots, weakening his shields he'd just charge into some of their friends for a quick mid-murder rampage recharge.


God bless. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 03:10:38 AM
Having seen GPW in a multiplayer match I have to agree. He fight like a demon! A demon!!

The shriek of a banshee used to signal the coming of the indoctrinated Asari, now it beacons the fury of GPW's Vangaurd!

All I could see through my scope were the shredded bits of enemies, with a trail of biotic energy lingering in the air.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 03:27:32 PM
Destructoid -> Some ME3: Rebellion DLC (for MP portion) details. (http://www.destructoid.com/mass-effect-3-rebellion-multiplayer-dlc-detailed-227552.phtml)


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The Rebellion Multiplayer Expansion opens two new fronts against the Reapers:
Firebase Jade's jungle reservoir and Firebase Goddess on Thessia.
In-game reinforcement packs now include three new weapons as well as equipment, consumables, and six new classes: Quarian Engineer and Infiltrator, Vorcha Soldier and Sentinel, Phoenix Adept and Vanguard.
The battle continues – hold the line!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Friday, May 18, 2012, 12:07:41 AM
Did my Vanguard Sheppard stop when faced with overwhelming odds?  No, he looked those odds in the face and came right at them with a biotic heavy melee.  And if the odds got in a couple of cheap shots, weakening his shields he'd just charge into some of their friends for a quick mid-murder rampage recharge.


God bless. 

hahahah the god bless did it. :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 08:30:35 PM
Finished the game. For the most part, AWESOME game.

Cerberus Base
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FINAL Missions and Ending
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 08:54:10 PM
hahahah the god bless did it. :)

Did it to you, maybe.  The Biotic Charge, Nova, Biotic Melee and/or Shotgun blast to whatever the fuck is in front of me did it to every Geth, Batarian, Reaper, and Cerberus agent in the Galaxy.



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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 09:30:34 PM
Cerberus Base
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End-Game Talk for ME2 and ME3
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 11:00:46 PM
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Monday, May 28, 2012, 01:32:13 PM
Patch 1.03 is coming w/ LONG list of patch-notes listed here (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/12276459).
Patch is coming tomorrow on PC (5/29); Thursday on consoles X360 and PS3 (5/31).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Monday, May 28, 2012, 07:36:09 PM
Booorrrinngg - just bug fixes.

Where's my ending DLC!?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 04:20:59 PM
Booorrrinngg - just bug fixes.

Where's my ending DLC!?

We know they just recently had the voice-actors who did EDI and Hackett's voice in the studio to work on Extended Ending DLC. (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/18/hackett-edi-confirmed-for-mass-effect-3-extended-cut-dlc/)
I don't think we seeing that for a bit...

Though, ME3: Rebellion MP DLC (http://www.gamezone.com/products/mass-effect-3/news/mass-effect-3-rebellion-pack-dlc-available-on-xbox-360-and-pc-coming-soon-to-ps3) is now out and got released for FREE for those who redeemed Online Passes on their respective services:
Rebellion DLC is now out on EA Origin on PC; and XBL for X360.
Rebellion DLC should be coming soon to PSN for PS3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Tuesday, June 05, 2012, 06:37:28 PM
Just finished the Geth/Quarian thing. Fuck. This is an incredible game. I cried playing a video game after a long time... and thank god for my reputation skill investment. Oh and it was sweet how Tali told me she loved me before I went off to fight the reaper.
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, June 05, 2012, 06:58:09 PM
Just finished the Geth/Quarian thing. Fuck. This is an incredible game. I cried playing a video game after a long time... and thank god for my reputation skill investment. Oh and it was sweet how Tali told me she loved me before I went off to fight the reaper.
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ME3 Ending Thoughts
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Tuesday, June 05, 2012, 09:13:57 PM
I had a weird bug:

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Wednesday, June 06, 2012, 02:38:28 AM
D, I read the first two lines of your reply. I haven't finished the game dude. I thought that much was obvious.

haha X that is one eerie bug.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, June 06, 2012, 07:00:05 AM
D, I read the first two lines of your reply. I haven't finished the game dude. I thought that much was obvious.

haha X that is one eerie bug.
Yeah.. I don't know if I'm ever gonna be the same again :P hehe
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, June 06, 2012, 02:33:41 PM
D, I read the first two lines of your reply. I haven't finished the game dude. I thought that much was obvious.
I replied to you, knowing you haven't finished it - i.e. check my word choices there.
I don't think I really spoiled too much there that most people who ain't finished the game didn't already know, which is....
SIDE NOTE -> Pug, don't read the spoiler stuff until you finish the game...
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I did label it before-hand w/ "ME3 Ending Thoughts".
I didn't go into plot details, final level details, character details, story details, or anything of that sort in the blacked-out "Spoiler Tagged" stuff.
I did put it in black w/ the "Spoiler" tag, just in case I might've said/typed even a tiny-little bit too much...

Sorry, I didn't mean to spoil some things, if I did. :(
Next time, I'll either hold my reply [for later] or blatantly put "Pug, don't read the spoiler-tagged stuff in black until you finish the game", since it basically was a direct reply to you.


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SPOILERS on Tali
I had a weird bug:

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WTF?  :o
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Wednesday, June 06, 2012, 11:50:18 PM
hahahahahaha it is OK.... relax bud. :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, June 22, 2012, 03:48:12 PM
Can't argue w/ this...

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/197742_10150922102256633_1767499866_n.jpg)

:D
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, June 22, 2012, 04:54:41 PM
Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut DLC coming out for FREE on June 26th, 2012 to PC, X360, and PS3 as a 1.9 GB download. (http://www.masseffect.com/about/extended_cut/)

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How much is the Extended Cut?
    The Extended Cut is available to download at no additional charge.

When does the Extended Cut release?
    The Extended Cut will release on June 26th on Xbox 360, PC, and PlayStation 3 in North America and July 4th for PlayStation 3 in Europe.

How large is the Extended Cut?
    The Extended Cut requires roughly 1.9 gigabytes of storage.

How do I get the Extended Cut?
    The Extended Cut can be downloaded from Xbox LIVE, Origin on PC, and PlayStation Network at no additional cost.

What is included in the Extended Cut?
    The Extended Cut expands on the endings of Mass Effect 3 through additional scenes and epilogue sequences. It provides more of the answers and closure that players have been asking for. It gives a sense of what the future holds as a result of the decisions made throughout the series. And it shows greater detail in the successes or failures based on how players achieved their endings.

Does the Extended Cut change the endings?
    The Extended Cut is an expansion of the original endings to Mass Effect 3. It does not fundamentally change the endings, but rather it expands on the meaning of the original endings, and reveals greater detail on the impact of player decisions.

What save game should I load to play the Extended Cut?
    
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Where can I learn more about the Extended Cut?
    To learn more about the Extended Cut, please enjoy the Extended Cut interview podcast with Community Manager Jessica Merizan, Executive Producer Casey Hudson, and Lead Writer Mac Walters. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y7xk1_x8ko&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Friday, June 22, 2012, 06:09:05 PM
Huh. I may not have a save before that point in the game. I don't remember if there was a point of no return warning or now. If there was, I may have a save. Otherwise, I'm kinda stuck.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, June 22, 2012, 06:12:02 PM
Huh. I may not have a save before that point in the game. I don't remember if there was a point of no return warning or now. If there was, I may have a save. Otherwise, I'm kinda stuck.
I can't recall if the warning was at...
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I'm gonna have to check to see if I have a save RIGHT before
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Title: Re: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Friday, June 22, 2012, 06:31:27 PM
I think they made it pretty obvious that you were heading to the endgame at that point.  I think.  I've been wrong before though. 

I loved the game, but I kinda don't want to go back that far.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, June 23, 2012, 01:47:34 AM
I stored a save that was at the point of making choices. Basically what I did was when it autosaved that point, I quit the game (Alt+F4), opened the save folder, copied that autosave file and renamed it to a manual save. Now I can load that specific save at any time. Don't need to do it but I like knowing I have the option of viewing the current endings when I feel like it :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 03:02:01 PM
Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut FREE DLC Released at around 2GB.
Go get downloading it!

SPOILERS IN BELOW LINK:
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 07:32:56 PM
Yay!  I'm excited.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and redo the last little bit and not just read/watch the endings.  I'll post thoughts in a few days.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 11:54:03 PM
I can't get on to Origin, much lest download the update.  damn.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Friday, June 29, 2012, 06:50:50 PM
That wasn't bad. Had that been the original ending I'm pretty sure most would have given Bioware a high five for pulling off a pretty impressive trilogy. As it is, Mass Effect has more or less been my favorite set of games this generation and if this was the ending I got in March those feelings would have been reaffirmed. Things are mostly the same (with two or three important changes), but it didn't feel rushed or so half-assed. Instead, it mostly feels thought out enough and, most important, respectful enough of the series that you could think someone at Bioware actually gave something resembling a shit about the ending.

It's really a shame that it had to be done this way though. I imagine Bioware is going to have a harder sale for their projects and Mass Effect's legacy is going to have a pretty big mark. I know it dragged down my opinion of the game. So, everything isn't fixed but it is definitely better.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Friday, June 29, 2012, 08:40:08 PM
So, I guess this would be worth playing through?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Saturday, June 30, 2012, 06:37:29 AM
Hmm. Not necessarily. You could probably get what you need from a Youtube viewing. There are some small changes/modifications that I assume are happening depending on decisions and consequences throughout your Shepard's existence, but after seeing the ending you can probably guess what those changes are pretty easily. The real meat is in the last conversation before the end and cutscenes that show the immediate consequences of the ending.

If you feel like playing through the last couple hours again, go for it. Otherwise, just watch the thing online. It'll probably be close enough.
Title: Re: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Saturday, June 30, 2012, 11:54:21 AM
Yeah, I just watched it on YouTube.  Pretty good, I imagine most people will be satisfied with it.  Or would have been if that was the original ending.  People like to bitch.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, July 01, 2012, 07:45:32 PM
Tully Ackland of BioWare discusses the Extended Cut and some of the ending's meanings. (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12758618#12758842)

SPOILERS GALORE for ME3 Extended Cut endings
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: shock on Sunday, July 01, 2012, 11:55:53 PM
This mostly sums up my thoughts.  I was expecting... more.


Spoilers:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/06/26/mass-effect-3s-extended-cut-too-little-far-too-late/

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, July 06, 2012, 06:14:36 PM
Mass Effect 3 - Extended Cut Soundtrack released for FREE to BioWare Social Network users. (http://social.bioware.com/me3ecsoundtrack.php)

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As a key part of creating the new content for the Extended Cut, the team called upon composer Sam Hulick with the challenge of creating new music that would bring the Mass Effect trilogy story to a warm resolution, and inspire the emotions surrounding a variety of different visions of the future. The result was over 16 minutes of powerful new music, which many fans in the BioWare Community have asked for in the form of a downloadable soundtrack. We are excited to release all 7 tracks of the Extended Cut soundtrack for free – right here on the BioWare Social Network site!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
CVG -> ME3: Earth Multiplayer DLC coming next week and it will be FREE. (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/357388/mass-effect-3-earth-multiplayer-dlc-out-next-week/)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, August 02, 2012, 03:43:55 PM
IGN -> Mass Effect 3: Leviathan DLC -- Trailer. (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/02/mass-effect-3-leviathan-dlc-announced?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 12:35:34 PM
Just finished the game. So I don't know how much was edited with the extended cut, but the ending was awesome.

My shep survived as did the normandy. My love interest didn't believe he was dead.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 01:49:08 PM
Mass Effect withdrawal. :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 09:36:56 PM
Enough was changed to make the endings worthwhile this time around :)

I'm currently replaying the game, though I am waiting for the Leviathan DLC.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Thursday, August 23, 2012, 09:09:43 AM
I still need to get this game.  I just don't want to do Origin.  Maybe I'll buy it and then use a pirated version or something.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:13:54 AM
I actually like Origin a lot -- aside from the region thing. More than Steam. And there is a 50% off sale on Origin right now.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: PyroMenace on Thursday, August 23, 2012, 02:40:27 PM
Are you being a sarcastic asshole?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Thursday, August 23, 2012, 02:55:37 PM
Oh. Origin sucked when it started in 2011. The latest updates just brought it into fairly stable territory.

OK, so it isn't as good as Steam, but it seems less bloaty and prone to crash. That could be because it doesn't offer a lot of functionality. :P But I like it. When was the last time you guys used it? It is actually pretty good I feel.
Title: Re: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Thursday, August 23, 2012, 07:24:36 PM
I don't care about features or stability. I care about the EULA, which I do not agree to.

I've already witnessed what consumer unfriendly services and EULAs really are all about and I'm not about to get into that situation even more deeply than I already am.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, August 31, 2012, 04:04:14 PM
Mass Effect 3: Leviathan DLC
REVIEWS:


Scored out of 10
OXM -> 8.0 (http://www.oxmonline.com/mass-effect-3-leviathan-review)
IGN -> 7.5. (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/31/mass-effect-3-leviathan-dlc-review-2)
Eurogamer -> 7. (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-08-29-mass-effect-3-leviathan-review)
GameSpot -> 6.0. (http://www.gamespot.com/mass-effect-3-leviathan/reviews/mass-effect-3-leviathan-review-6394378/)
Metro UK -> 6.0. (http://www.metro.co.uk/tech/games/910234-mass-effect-3-leviathan-review-reap-the-whirlwind)

Scored out of 5
GameSpy -> 3.5 stars. (http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/mass-effect-3-leviathan/1225911p1.html)

No score
GameCritics.com (http://www.gamecritics.com/brad-gallaway/mass-effect-3-leviathan-review)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, September 30, 2012, 01:05:29 PM
Mass Effect Trilogy Pack announced for all 3 platforms (PC, PS3, and X360) (http://masseffect.bioware.com/about/trilogy/)

(http://na.llnet.bioware.cdn.ea.com/u/f/eagames/bioware/masseffect3/website/images/about/trilogy/trilogy_vignette-t.en_US.jpg)

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Over 75 hours of story content, plus Mass Effect 3’s critically acclaimed multiplayer mode.
Create and customize your own character with his or her appearance and skills, then play your Commander Shepard through all three Mass Effect games.
Experience an amazingly rich and detailed universe where your decisions have profound consequences on the action and the outcome.
Build a personalized arsenal with powerful weapons complete with their own upgrades and modifications
Unleash devastating abilities and skills as you command and train an elite squad.
Take the war online with class-based, co-operative multiplayer in Mass Effect 3.

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MASS EFFECT TRILOGY

When does the Mass Effect Trilogy release?
Mass Effect Trilogy releases on November 6th 2012 for Xbox 360 and PC, and later for PlayStation 3.

What does the Mass Effect Trilogy include?
Mass Effect Trilogy includes all three Mass Effect titles, featured in a new premium foil box featuring artwork of Commander Shepard.

Is the Mass Effect Trilogy compatible with other versions of Mass Effect, for example multiplayer?
Yes, the Mass Effect Trilogy will be compatible with other versions of Mass Effect. You will be able to play Mass Effect 3 multiplayer with other players.

What DLC is included in the Mass Effect Trilogy?
On PC, Mass Effect will include Bring Down the Sky and Pinnacle Station on disk.
For Mass Effect 2, Cerberus Network will be included which features Zaeed – The Price of Revenge, The Firewalker Pack, Cerberus Assault Gear, Arc Projector heavy weapon, and Normandy Crash site mission.
For Mass Effect 3, Online Pass will be included granting players access to co-op multiplayer.

On Xbox 360, Bring Down the Sky and Pinnacle Station are not included with Mass Effect, however they are available as stand-alone downloads through Xbox LIVE.
For Mass Effect 2, Cerberus Network will be included and Online Pass will be included for Mass Effect 3.

Information on PlayStation 3 DLC will be available soon.

Will the original Mass Effect be available as a standalone game on PlayStation 3?
Yes, the original Mass Effect will be available as a standalone digital title through the PlayStation Network for $14.99. It will release the same day as the Mass Effect Trilogy on PlayStation 3.

Is the Mass Effect Trilogy compatible with other versions of Mass Effect?
Yes, the Mass Effect Trilogy is compatible with other versions of Mass Effect. This means you can use saves from across the original Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Mass Effect 3 titles with the Trilogy. Mass Effect 3 multiplayer is also compatible across different versions.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Sunday, September 30, 2012, 02:00:58 PM
None of the real DLC. That's sort of amazing and sad at the same time.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Sunday, September 30, 2012, 02:25:46 PM
None of the real DLC. That's sort of amazing and sad at the same time.

For ME2 in ALL versions, most of the content $DLC's that are NOT w/ Cerberus Network just ain't there in Trilogy Pack -> Kasumi (Stolen Memory), Overlord, Lair of The Shadow Broker & Arrival are ALL missing.
Many of the weapon and item pack $DLC's and Genesis are missing from this Trilogy Pack, as well.
I was hoping they ALL would be in this Trilogy Pack.

For ME3, Leviathan DLC isn't there, either.

I'll have to keep looking for the rare BioWare Points Sale to happen for PC gamers like myself - which happens like maybe once or twice a year, if that...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Sunday, September 30, 2012, 04:47:14 PM
I'm currently on my second playthrough of ME2 and have beaten ME1 once.  I don't own any DLC.  Is it the type of DLC that adds stuff during a game or can it be easily played after completion?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: sirean_syan on Sunday, September 30, 2012, 04:57:47 PM
A little of both. You can play any of them during the main campaign like an other side or character mission, but a couple feel more appropriate after you've finished (The Arrival and Lair of the Shadow Broker). The Kasumi missions are something you'd probably want fairly early in your playthrough so you can have Kasumi on your squad while Overlord is totally a side thing which can fit in anywhere.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Monday, October 01, 2012, 09:42:39 AM
Change-log for upcoming Patch 1.04 for ME3 on all platforms. (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/14311106)

Holy crap @ the long list of fixes & changes in this planned patch.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Monday, October 01, 2012, 09:55:46 AM
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WHAT?! That's not a fix! That was my main strategy against Geth Pyros!! Take cover right in from of them and when they close BAM dead!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Monday, October 01, 2012, 10:02:22 AM
WHAT?! That's not a fix! That was my main strategy against Geth Pyros!! Take cover right in from of them and when they close BAM dead!

I did say fixes & "changes", right? ;)
That is one of the "Changes" that I don't think is for the better...
Title: Re: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Monday, October 01, 2012, 01:03:24 PM
Yeah, that's kinda of bullshit. Chances of getting pinned down just increased dramatically and I can't think of any reason that they'd change it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Quemaqua on Monday, October 01, 2012, 01:16:37 PM
Because they hate games that are fun?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Friday, October 12, 2012, 03:47:21 PM
Forbes -> Info on upcoming ME3: Omega DLC. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/10/12/mass-effect-3-omega-dlc-largest-expansion-so-far/)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:19:45 AM
Finished ME3 finally last night.  I didn't play it without Extended Cut installed, so I don't know what the end was like originally.  I thought the game did a great job making you feel the weight of the story the last couple of hours, but (the ending of course!):

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I don't know... I did like the game, but the ending was just not very satisfying.  I also missed some of the RPG elements.  They had a couple of more fleshed out side quests but they were nothing special.  And the majority of side quests were just item fetches.  And not even cool item fetches.  Just randomly scan a planet and hey you magically got the Rings of Alune!  Now go find the inconsequential NPC on the Citadel that invariably wants that item.  It would have at least helped if the Journal updated to reflect the items you had collected.

On the positive side, the action elements were pretty great and the overall story arc was well done.  Bioware did a great job building the sense of urgency and importance as the game went on.  I also liked the return of credit music done by Faunts, which was very reminiscent of the first game.


Finished the game. For the most part, AWESOME game.

Cerberus Base
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Title: Re: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 02:11:47 PM
Shit. You can't spoil tag in Tapatalk?   We will discuss this later.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 03:10:27 PM
Shit. You can't spoil tag in Tapatalk?   We will discuss this later.
You can but you have to type it out
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 04:14:23 PM
Finished ME3 finally last night.  I didn't play it without Extended Cut installed, so I don't know what the end was like originally.  I thought the game did a great job making you feel the weight of the story the last couple of hours, but (the ending of course!):

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 12:46:47 AM


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On the positive side, the action elements were pretty great and the overall story arc was well done.  Bioware did a great job building the sense of urgency and importance as the game went on.  I also liked the return of credit music done by Faunts, which was very reminiscent of the first game.


There was
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Saturday, March 09, 2013, 07:03:23 AM
Mass Effect 3: Citadel DLC -- REVIEWS

Metacritic -> X360 (http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-3-citadel/critic-reviews); PC (http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3-citadel); PS3 (http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/mass-effect-3-citadel).

Scored out of 10
IGN -> 9.0 (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/09/mass-effect-3-citadel-dlc-review?utm_campaign=twposts&utm_source=twitter)
Eurogamer -> 9 (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-06-mass-effect-3-citadel-review)
Destructoid -> 8 (http://www.destructoid.com/review-mass-effect-3-citadel-247847.phtml)
Metro UK -> 8 (http://metro.co.uk/2013/03/06/mass-effect-3-citadel-review-happy-ending-3528359/)
GameSpot -> 7.0 (http://www.gamespot.com/mass-effect-3-citadel/reviews/mass-effect-3-citadel-review-6405022/)

Scored out of 5
Cheat Code Central -> 4.8 (http://cheatcc.com/ps3/rev/masseffect3citadelreview.html#.UTtA8yWZd8G)



EDIT - 3/21/2013:
Kotaku -> With SPOILERS Galore on ME3 + Citadel DLC -> "One Last Crazy Theory About Mass Effect 3’s Ending." (http://kotaku.com/5991791/one-last-crazy-theory-about-mass-effect-3s-ending?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow&post=58470813)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: PyroMenace on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 12:52:19 PM
Well now that most of the DLC is out I decided to finally finish the series off. Also Brad and Vinny were gushing about this Citadel dlc and it made me wanted to play it. I put it a good chunk yesterday but half of that time was going through the codex which Ive always done with these games. It refreshes my memory about the universe and updates me up to things I may have forgotten. Also if anyone has some tips to drop on me to let me know when to play the DLC stuff let me know. I know I need to play the From Ashes dlc as soon as I can to get that prothean dude but Im not sure where Omega and Leviathan fit in.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 02:01:43 PM
Are you playing on PC?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: PyroMenace on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 03:01:18 PM
Xbox
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 03:26:44 PM
Damn it!  I was going to see if you'd be down for some awesome multiplayer action. Apart from that, I haven't really touched the DLC at all so I can't help you out.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: PyroMenace on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 04:39:08 PM
Actually I also have it on PC, I just bought it off Origin recently for $10. I wouldn't mind jumping into that with you.
Title: Re: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 05:11:42 PM
Is the multi good? I have the game on PC.
Title: Re: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: W7RE on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 05:55:01 PM
Is the multi good? I have the game on PC.

Raptr says I've played 141 hours of ME3. I'd guess 50-60 were single player, meaning I played 80-90 hours of the multi. It's comparable to Gears of War horde mode sort of, but with classes. It's surprisingly good, if you've got the game already, I'd give it a shot. I even did a decent amount through matchmaking with strangers (without a mic, on xbox) and had fun still.
Title: Re: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 06:34:16 PM
I think besides one game with guys from here I did all random matches and liked it a lot.  Plus, since that time they've added a slew of new levels, guns, and class.  Definitely give it a go.  And let me know, if be willing to reinstall.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Wednesday, April 10, 2013, 05:55:35 PM
Kotaku -> As Video Games Changed, So Too Did Mass Effect." (http://kotaku.com/as-video-games-changed-so-too-did-mass-effect-472182348?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow)

Kotaku looks at how Mass Effect series has changed w/ each iteration since ME1.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, June 20, 2013, 03:52:10 PM
SPOILERS in the link!
Ex-BioWare Writer reveals alternate ME Trilogy Endings (that never made it into the game) (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/20/ex-bioware-writer-reveals-alternate-endings-to-mass-effect-trilo/)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Thursday, August 07, 2014, 06:00:56 PM
Destructoid -> Casey Hudson (exec. prod. of ME series + prod. director on SW:TOR) leaves BioWare. (http://www.destructoid.com/mass-effect-executive-producer-casey-hudson-leaves-bioware-279266.phtml)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Saturday, August 09, 2014, 05:07:31 AM
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Weird ANSARI?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Xessive on Saturday, August 09, 2014, 05:23:51 AM
Weird ANSARI?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: W7RE on Saturday, August 09, 2014, 10:28:39 AM
Weird ANSARI?

hahahaha
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Sunday, August 10, 2014, 10:23:06 AM
Ha.  I'm a moron.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Pugnate on Tuesday, August 12, 2014, 08:46:48 AM
hahahaha because that's my last name. :D
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Tuesday, August 12, 2014, 10:00:47 AM
Stop.  You guys keep reminding me of the complete turd of an ending in this game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: iPPi on Monday, September 01, 2014, 11:40:32 PM
I just finished this game tonight, with the Extended Cut DLC installed.  I chose the
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: nickclone on Monday, November 24, 2014, 09:12:56 PM
I finally beat this game last night, don't understand all the hate it gets for its ending.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: PyroMenace on Monday, November 24, 2014, 10:45:58 PM
I still havent yet :-(
Title: Re: Re: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: scottws on Tuesday, November 25, 2014, 08:55:06 AM
I finally beat this game last night, don't understand all the hate it gets for its ending.
Really? Its pretty lame. You also probably played the modified, better ending they added after it got lambasted. Even the new ending is terrible.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: W7RE on Tuesday, November 25, 2014, 09:30:19 AM
A friend of mine beat ME3 recently and said he didn't get the hate for the ending. He said it was a little dumb, but not bad. He was going to go back and do all the endings to see them all. I showed him a youtube video of them all side by side and he suddenly understood, because of how they're all the same damn thing with a swapped color palette.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: nickclone on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 10:11:48 AM
After watching all four of the endings, I now understand the color coding ending everyone was talking about. Its almost as if Bioware didn't think everyone had access to youtube and wouldn't be able to see how similar all of the ending are to each other.

I still didn't get up in arms like so many other people, but that might be because i was expecting the worst ending ever.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: W7RE on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 01:06:28 PM
I think the biggest thing is that none of your choices throughout any of the three games has an impact on which ending you get. You literally get to choose your ending when you get there. Does it matter if you spared the Rachni Queen? Does it matter whether you have Kaiden or Ashley? Nope, it just matters which of the 3 choices you picked at the end.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 05:21:55 PM
I think the biggest thing is that none of your choices throughout any of the three games has an impact on which ending you get. You literally get to choose your ending when you get there. Does it matter if you spared the Rachni Queen? Does it matter whether you have Kaiden or Ashley? Nope, it just matters which of the 3 choices you picked at the end.

Yeah, I think this is the thing. I really liked the series and actually thought the third game was great, all in all.  The disappointment with the ending was that they almost didn't try to make your decisions have impact.  I mean, I think a lot of what people were expecting was completely unrealistic but they could have done SOMETHING to make it clear your choices were having an impact
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: W7RE on Friday, November 28, 2014, 03:08:35 PM
By the second game I could tell they where they were limiting things just because of the fact that previous decisions were being carried forward.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: PyroMenace on Thursday, April 30, 2015, 03:31:57 PM
After multiple times of starting this and stopping over years, I finally started a new game, and got through it. It was a very enjoyable experience and was nice to visit the ME universe one last time. The only thing I'll say about the ending is that it sucked, and the 'best' ending, the one where you had to collect the most war effort for and one that for more or less, keeps everyone alive, was actually the worst out of the 4 endings. I was a bit bummed, but I'll just chalk it up to another example of video games notoriously having bad endings. Anyway, I still love the universe and hope EA manages to create more interesting games from it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: Cobra951 on Thursday, April 30, 2015, 03:42:52 PM
I've been seeing you pop up on XBL/ME3 for weeks now.  Congrats on finishing it.  This is one I have yet to play.
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Post by: gpw11 on Thursday, April 30, 2015, 06:04:31 PM
This is still one of my favourite games and favourite series as a whole.  As much flack as ME3 got for the ending, I personally can't wait for a new game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: MysterD on Monday, May 31, 2021, 08:42:27 PM
MASS EFFECT FRANCHISE - 05-29-2021.
When it comes to one of the most memorable franchises & influential series, the Mass Effect Trilogy (ME1+2+3) has to be on that list. In terms of taking your character and importing from game-to-game-to-game and having a lot of your journey throughout turn out in all kinds of different ways, this series does this fantastically, paving the way for other franchises & game series to attempt this. In terms of combat also & with being very cinematic, ME Trilogy also paved the way and still does, influencing many games in numerous ways.

In terms of combat, ME1 leaned towards RPG/shooter hybrid and leaned too much into the RPG-stats stuff & dice-rolls, which left the combat janky, clunky & at times frustrating. ME2 totally flipped the series on its head, focusing more so on making the combat great; less on RPG-stats influencing the combat; and fantastic characters, stories & missions - making it one of the best games ever made.

ME3 continued down the influential road ME2 carved & still found ways to improve the combat & gun-play - which many RPG/shooter and shooter/RPG hybrids have been influenced by, still to this very day and likely beyond that - delivering a great & epic send-off, but still never fully living-up to this finale b/c of how most of the ending(s) here didn't deliver the conclusion many wanted from the series...even though, one could also make a point that the entire game feels like an ending & epilogue of sort.

Regardless, ME3 was still great - yes, even despite its flaws - and so was this franchise...even despite Andromeda never living up to any of the hype.  But, one thing always left me wondering, since I didn't grab the DLC's until a few years back: do the DLC's help or solve any of the problems of ME3's story, lore, and/or ending(s)? Finally, after all of these years, I've decided to tackle the DLC's for Mass Effect 3.

FROM ASHES DLC - 05-29-2021.
Taking about an hour or so to finish, this DLC is about finding a Prothean artifact on Eden Prime. The combat, mission, and action here is good & absolutely solid. What makes this DLC important & really worthwhile is finding The Prothean Artifact and an actual Prothean being, in which this Prothean can become a party member that can join your crew, once you find him. Throughout this mission, you'll find out more info about the Protheans and their past, as a species and some important history of their race. If you follow the Mass Effect series' Lore, you'll know the Protheans are very important to the series. Once finishing the mission, Javik (The Prothean) will tell you some important info about the Protheans, which is also very important.

Granted, I haven't replayed the entire game and haven't took Javik everywhere - but supposedly, also throughout the ME3 game, if you bring Javik along, he can tell you more about Prothean artifacts and things, when necessary - which sounds a lot similar to Shale from Dragon Age: Origins, that this all should've not been cut from the game and not been DLC.

Regardless, the DLC mission is good and the action's good, despite its 1 hour brevity; and Javik's really important as a character and what he says about Protheans also is very important too. I do wish the mission itself was longer,  but...it's all killer and no filler.

OMEGA DLC - 05-29-2021.
This 4-hour long campaign or so is an action-packed romp, where you and Aria T'Loak are trying to retake the Omega Station. Omega is now in Cerberus' control and Aria is having none of that. There's more to it than just Cerberus taking it over, as there's more than meets the eye as to why they're there. Not only just all of that, but you also meet an interesting Turian named Nyreen, too (who will join your party during this DLC). Nyreen is from Aria's past - and yeah, she definitely has history with Aria. Also, they have some great and interesting banter b/t each other; and teaming with Aria is nothing short of awesome & fun.

While this DLC isn't tied entirely to the game's story, plot, and whatnot - this does stand-alone as its own story here and is just an action-packed combat-fest, which is also loaded with a new enemy type to battle too. Revisiting the Omega hub (which was is ME2) and seeing how it's evolved since then here in ME3 - yes, for better and/or worse - and seeing its often turned into mostly combat-zones, is nothing short of a blast and feels like a taking a trip back home...well, once you take it back for Aria, it'll feel more like home.

Regardless, the Omega DLC was pretty good, to say the very least and is definitely worth playing. It's worth taking back Omega Station; enjoy the ride, banter & shootout(s).

LEVIATHAN DLC - 05-30-2021.
After a little over 4 hours or so, the Leviathan DLC is in the books. This DLC takes place at a few areas all over the Galaxy, as you'll need to investigate a Doctor's Home (on more than on occasion) to find & look into what this Doctor was looking into, which are some interesting & gun investigation sequences.

With also a lot of story & Lore here, this helps re-write some of ME's history & deliver some really interesting revelations, all about the Reapers...and then some about another really important being & species, without going into spoiler turf here.

If all of this wasn't enough already...well, there's more: the area scanning; galaxy hopping; planet scanning; a mech-combat sequence; and a mech-exploration sequence while underwater (yes, you read that correctly!) are all great here.

This DLC's great and is so important to ME3 and the entire ME Trilogy as a whole, so...this is easy to give a recommendation. This is "must play" and "must experience" stuff right here, making the Leviathan DLC a "must have" DLC here for ME3.

CITADEL DLC - 05-31-2021.
Clocking it at a little over 7 hours or so, Citadel is the final and best DLC for ME3. Shepard is trying to get some time away to relax & spend time with his crew & friends, before the final battle with The Reapers here.

Well...of course, things don't go well and Shepard and his crew is being attacked, as he's going out on leave before the final battle. So, Shepard gets his crew together, to take on this new threat.

And what a new threat this is! A crew of, what seems to be, mercenaries is coming after Shepard & his crew. They are to take these battles head-on, throughout different areas of The Citadel and whatnot, and figure out what's going on & who is coming after that. With a few twists & turns in this DLC and lots of actions, this DLC is nothing short of awesome.

If the above isn't enough, there are times when there are side-quests & mini-games to take on and plenty of interactions with your party all over the place & throughout this DLC - yes, even more so, especially in the last few hours or so - that makes this DLC feel like a great Epilogue...which all happens before the Final Battle.

At times, this DLC is light-hearted, serious, dramatic, fun, off-the-wall, hilarious, crazy, heart-warming, epic, and who knows what-else - and regardless of where it all goes, it's just all great. This DLC does it all, in the decent amount of time it goes on here. Not only that, but the final boss fight here is absolutely epic and might be on par even w/ the excellent ME1 boss fight w/ Saren. This DLC also actually feels like the best & real conclusion to ME3 here, as its satisfying as can be, giving many fans some closure & fan service here, unlike the base-game for many fans. Many fans were disappointed w/ the ME3 base-game and what it offered-up, namely b/c the base-game's ending(s) & the direction those took, didn't really offer up much closure and much choices...and many of those choices not have felt that worthwhile either.

Regardless, Citadel DLC is by far the best DLC here and is even more so a "must have" and "must experience," surpassing even the greatness that Leviathan DLC delivered.

OUTRO - 05-31-2021.
When it's all said & done, ME3 was a great game, even despite its flawed ending(s) & some storylines and plots not feeling properly wrapped-up or not executed that great. This ME3: DLC Bundle Pack here does wonders for ME3, in so many ways.

Whether it's adding more important Lore in its short-time of its mission & short aftermath in From Ashes; adding another awesome mission & quest in Omega DLC; adding more important Lore and gameplay in Leviathan DLC; and/or the awesome & final Citadel DLC that does so many things greatly & feels like it could be the better Epilogue and/or conclusion to ME3 (than what the base-game provided) - these DLC's, when packaged altogether, they definitely deliver all the goods...and then some.

After spending about approximately 16 hours w/ all these DLC's altogether, this one's an easy one & a no-brainer: this Bundle Pack of DLC's for ME3 adds more great & often very important content to ME3, making this ME3: DLC Bundle Pack absolutely essential to enjoy the ME3 experience.

Simply put: get this DLC Bundle Pack for ME3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Thursday, June 03, 2021, 10:27:52 PM
I appreciated this post.  I loved Mass Effect 3 but don't think I ever played the DLC. Playing back through the series with Legendary Edition I realized I always wanted more from the Aria/Omega story so I'm glad the option is there.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 to be more of an RPG?
Post by: gpw11 on Thursday, June 03, 2021, 10:33:50 PM
Also, I just wanted to say that one of the ME2 DLCs that I hadn't played before gave me one of the most "OMG WTF" feelings I've come across in gaming.  One of the best series of missions in the game tbh