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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #40 on: Saturday, July 04, 2015, 05:57:40 PM »
I still look furtively at PCs now and then, but I always end up shying away.

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #41 on: Saturday, July 04, 2015, 07:17:02 PM »
I've been debating for a while on either upgrading to a 4GB VRAM GeForce GTX 960 (often around $220-260) or 4 GB 3.5 VRAM 970 (often around $300-400).
Obviously, 2 GB VRAM GF 960 was never on the table for me. Always was aiming for 3GB VRAM or more, preferably 4GB or above.

I really don't like that the bus on the GTX 960 is 128-bit, while on the 970 it's 256. Plus, my 560 Ti has a 256-bit bus.
Still, that 4GB VRAM on that 960 flavor buffer is quite big. Well, certainly bigger than my 1 GB VRAM GF 560 Ti.
There's other cards with more VRAM - i.e. Radeon R9 390x has 8GB VRAM; a new GF 980 Ti flavor has 6 GB VRAM; and we won't get into expensive $1000 NVidia Titan card land (12 GB).

Even though performance for bang-for-buck, the 970 is probably the better buy for future-proofing - i.e. just check the benchmarks online...the 970's gonna handle 1080p + 1440p way better than the 4GB 960. It might do alright w/ some games at 4K. But, not having that extra .5 GB VRAM always open - that could be a problem for some games at some higher settings...especially even more so at 4K.

4GB 960 seems really geared for those doing w/ 1080p...and sticking with that. I don't have 1440p monitor yet, I'm still on 1080p here. I could be wrong here - but I don't really see myself moving to 4K anytime soon, honestly.

My 970 concern was always the 3.5 GB issue, as it might not be enough of a buffer for the higher-texture quality, if I want the option to run it and think I might be able to handle it w/ certain games. Some games want 4GB VRAM (or more) for their top settings. Go see Shadow of Mordor, The Evil Within, Ryse, ACU, FC4, The Crew, etc. While the 4GB 960 might not run it as well period (i.e. 4GB 960 is about half of a 970, spec-wise + performance-wise on everything except the 4GB VRAM buffer), at least there won't be stutters when trying those textures, if it needs to eat over 3.5 GB...since the other 0.5GB is often swapping what it's doing (could be used for other things, could be used when necessary if it calls for the 0.5 GB but it's still on a way slower bus and can take forever to find it, or whatever).

At least if 4GB 960 runs like shit on higher settings on a game, it runs like shit straight-up consistently. 4GB 960 won't be have the 970's sudden stutters, slow-downs and weird things just b/c it can't find that last 0.5 GB b/c that channel's slow (32-bit bus) is delegated to doing....well, whatever it feels like doing!

AMD was never an option I was looking much at + considering. While the 3 GB VRAM Radeon R9 280's 384-bit bus slaughters the 4GB GF GTX 960 128-bit and it outperforms that card quite a bit - the 3GB VRAM buffer's still a wall to me. BTW - the R9 280x is very similar in pricing to the 4GB GeForce GTX 960, that's why I'm comparing them.

I'm a NVidia guy, for better and/or for worse. I've been using only GeForce cards since the old 64 MB GF2 MX 400.
« Last Edit: Saturday, July 04, 2015, 07:43:46 PM by MysterD »

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #42 on: Sunday, July 05, 2015, 05:09:47 AM »
I remember when I used to obsess over this stuff. Seems so long ago.
I still do :D

After nearly 7 years of working with laptops and desktop-replacements I finally went back to my origins and built a new rig.

In due time, I'll share the specs and the story of how/why I decided to go back to the desktop.

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #43 on: Sunday, July 05, 2015, 05:45:08 AM »
I've been debating for a while on either upgrading to a 4GB VRAM GeForce GTX 960 (often around $220-260) or 4 GB 3.5 VRAM 970 (often around $300-400).
Obviously, 2 GB VRAM GF 960 was never on the table for me. Always was aiming for 3GB VRAM or more, preferably 4GB or above.

I really don't like that the bus on the GTX 960 is 128-bit, while on the 970 it's 256. Plus, my 560 Ti has a 256-bit bus.
Still, that 4GB VRAM on that 960 flavor buffer is quite big. Well, certainly bigger than my 1 GB VRAM GF 560 Ti.
There's other cards with more VRAM - i.e. Radeon R9 390x has 8GB VRAM; a new GF 980 Ti flavor has 6 GB VRAM; and we won't get into expensive $1000 NVidia Titan card land (12 GB).

. . . [etc]

And that's why I shy away.  First, buy or build a computer.  Second, buy a graphics computer to stuff into it.  The price of the second may be greater than the first's.  It's really gotten out of hand.  Then there's the cheap computer that does everything but gaming.  Good enough.

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« Reply #44 on: Sunday, July 05, 2015, 11:55:45 AM »
I've been really happy with my 960, have fun.

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #45 on: Monday, July 06, 2015, 07:55:28 AM »
And that's why I shy away.  First, buy or build a computer.  Second, buy a graphics computer to stuff into it.  The price of the second may be greater than the first's.  It's really gotten out of hand.  Then there's the cheap computer that does everything but gaming.  Good enough.
I really dig the whole buying parts and computer-building part. That's fun to me. :)
Especially waiting for sales and saving a good amount of $ on this stuff.

There's also no real reason to bet the farm on a video-card, when you buy one. I have not spent more than $250 on a vid-card ever, when I do actually buy a vid-card - which is probably every 3-5 years or so. I spent around $204 on my new 4GB 960 vid-card, BTW - caught it in a sale + had some Amazon GC's (Gift Cards) + Amazon Points to use. I hardly buy any games or anything from Amazon anymore, unfortunately - so this seemed like the perfect thing to throw a little bit of my Amazon GC's + Points & actual real $ into.

My 1 GB VRAM GeForce 560 Ti card has lasted me since May 2011, when Witcher 2 came out - which is when I built this PC. It could've still lasted me, if I wanted it to - but, I do have games like Witcher 3, The Evil Within, AC Unity, and (since I bought the vid-card) now Batman: AK that really are pushing into the 2GB VRAM minimum requirement (And recommending even more GB of VRAM, for some settings + instances). We're likely only going to see more of this, especially w/ less games being release on the old-consoles (i.e. PS3 + X360) and more of them strictly on newer platforms (i.e. PS4 + X1). So, that automatically makes it more likely these PC versions are using for the low-end common denominator (PS4 + X1), thus greatly causing the recent huge spike in PC requirements. Even worse, if they throw together an unoptimized, basic and/or lazy PC version.

Here we are now, 2015. My 1 GB VRAM card lasted a little over 4 years. Not bad at all, IMHO.  I wait for sales on everything. I keep my eyes open + play the "waiting for a sale" game w/ hardware + PC games. No other way to play this game, TBH. For 4GB VRAM card at a little over $200 after all of my Amazon GC's + Points - I couldn't just sit around and wait. Had to pull the punch.

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« Reply #46 on: Monday, July 06, 2015, 10:03:19 AM »
I've been really happy with my 960, have fun.

Do you have a 2GB or 4GB 960?

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #47 on: Monday, July 06, 2015, 01:05:43 PM »
2GB - I don't think the 4GB version was out when I bought it.  That said, I'm running in 1680 x 1050, so sub 1080p and it's been great - I'm sure if I was hitting anything above 1080p it would make more of a difference.   I also found that I don't often notice the difference in texture resolution between high and ultra (or whatever any given game uses).  Not sure if I'm just blind or it's because of the resolution I'm using but I usually can't tell and thus don't feel like I'm missing out when I can't put the setting to Ultra in Shadow of Mordor.  I'm guessing a higher resolution and bigger monitor would change that but I'll take it for now.

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #48 on: Monday, July 06, 2015, 03:30:57 PM »
2GB - I don't think the 4GB version was out when I bought it.  That said, I'm running in 1680 x 1050, so sub 1080p and it's been great - I'm sure if I was hitting anything above 1080p it would make more of a difference.   I also found that I don't often notice the difference in texture resolution between high and ultra (or whatever any given game uses).  Not sure if I'm just blind or it's because of the resolution I'm using but I usually can't tell and thus don't feel like I'm missing out when I can't put the setting to Ultra in Shadow of Mordor.  I'm guessing a higher resolution and bigger monitor would change that but I'll take it for now.

Wasn't sure if you just bought a 960 recently. But, yeah - 4GB VRAM version is only a few months old.

Glad to see your card's currently working out for you, for now. With more games beginning to require 2 GB VRAM (see ACU + W3 ) and even have the nerve to recommend 3GB (W3) or 4GB (TEW) or more (SoM) - I hope you don't wind-up so quickly having to look for another upgrade. It is getting out of hand quickly - as now there's 4GB card (GF 960 new version, 970, 980 regular version); 6 GB cards (980 Ti version); 8 GB cards (Radeon R9 390X); and the crazy 12 GB Titans.
 
Yeah, I think if you were aiming for 1080p or more, you'd notice differences. I certainly saw differences when running a game at 720p v. 1080p - i.e. The Evil Within. At 1080p on my 1 GB VRAM 560 Ti, it ran like dog-crap - in the 20 frames at tops range; though, it looked great. Even res's b/t 720p and 1080p, it still ran like ass. It ran much better, even at lower res's like 720p - but it looked horrible to me; especially since I do sit quite close to my PC.

I really should test that TEW and throw it at my 4GB 960 sometime soon, since that was one of the games that ran like crap on the 560 Ti. TEW does recommend 4GB VRAM anyways.

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #49 on: Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 04:58:58 PM »
Updating this thread and my original post here. I got my hands on a GTX 970 really cheap ($100), from someone who just bought a 1080 and was looking to dump the 970 (which he had put in his brand new PC that he just bought a few weeks ago - so this 970's barely been touched).

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #50 on: Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 08:57:50 PM »
Somebody got lucky.  :)

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #51 on: Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 10:15:44 PM »
Somebody got lucky.  :)

Oh, ain't that the truth - hehe! :)

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #52 on: Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 11:18:45 PM »
The new ATi/AMD card is amazing. At $200ish the 480 is giving nearly the same performance as the GTX 970.

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #53 on: Thursday, June 30, 2016, 07:53:59 AM »
I've read that.  Good on them.  Let's see some better price/performance competition get going here.  We need it.

Edit:  Hmm . . . I may have spoken too soon.

http://asidcast.com/amd-screws-up-as-rx-480-fails-pci-e-specifications-what-does-this-mean-for-gamers/
« Last Edit: Thursday, June 30, 2016, 09:42:40 AM by Cobra951 »

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #54 on: Thursday, June 30, 2016, 06:03:46 PM »
I want Nvidia to have better competition, but I've never been able to trust anything AMD makes.

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #55 on: Thursday, June 30, 2016, 09:39:08 PM »
I've had plenty of AMD stuff and it's always treated me fine. Just never quite seems to be 100% up to par. Was really hoping this would get them up to speed, even though I was super bummed because I just bought an R9 390 not long ago at all. Hopefully this gets worked out, because I agree that nvidia needs more and better competition.

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #56 on: Friday, July 01, 2016, 03:58:26 AM »
Never was an AMD/ATI guy. Always was tempted by them b/c of their bang-for-buck value often tops NVidia.
But, was always hesitant b/c of issues w/ artifacts on certain cards before, their drivers could be hit or miss (never had major driver issues w/ NVidia), and/or some other issue crops up (i.e. now see newest PCI-E controversy)

But, NVidia always seems to find a way to beat them performance-wise at some point (when I need them to) and I'm so used to NVidia, I just keep going NVidia.

We need AMD, though - we need someone to try to compete to keep trying to force NVidia's prices to avoid skyrocketing. :P

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #57 on: Thursday, July 28, 2016, 09:27:41 PM »

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Re: MysterD's Windows 7 PC
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 06:18:36 PM »
Got a new monitor up and running here.
Samsung U28E590D 4K TN-panel monitor.