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Offline idolminds

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More people to hate: The Authors Guild
« on: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 12:54:45 AM »
Original complaint
Amazon backs down

Long story short: Amazon releases Kindle 2, the ebook reader. The ebook reader has a text-to-speech function, allowing for a psudo-audiobook...even if it is slightly robotic. The Authors Guild thinks thats all wrong, that they should get paid for such a feature (that they had no hand in developing or implementing) because this might hurt audiobook sales (the things they actually do create). To avoid backlash, Amazon now allows ebooks to have a special flag that the Kindle will honor to allow or disallow the text-to-speech function on a book by book basis. I guess it was either that or the Authors Guild members wouldn't allow ebook versions of their books.

The whole thing is retarded. Amazon did nothing wrong. Technology moves forward, you have to adapt. Besides, I don't think this will hurt audiobook sales as much as they think. Audio books are real people reading them, people that understand the book and can change tone, mimic voices, etc. We're quite a long way away from a computer being able to match that. Even if the voice sounds natural, it would take some killer AI to have it understand what its reading.

Anyway, Amazon should have told them to fuck off.
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Re: More people to hate: The AAuthors Guild
« Reply #1 on: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 01:56:26 AM »
Quite stupid.  Of course, I think the Kindle unit itself is also really stupid, so...

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Re: More people to hate: The AAuthors Guild
« Reply #2 on: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 05:44:25 AM »
I dont know... the more I think about how ridiculous the ebook scene is, the more I start to understand of how book publishers and the like can be afraid of this. To them its another step towards ebooks becoming more successful, which is exactly what they dont want, its another step towards the printed word dying. As much of a bitch it was to try and find ebook publishing programs, dealing with all the ebook formats, and then theres the ridiculous price of Kindle, I can see why they are fighting this every single step of the way.

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Re: More people to hate: The AAuthors Guild
« Reply #3 on: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 11:31:09 AM »
Considering that Microsoft's eBook reader has featured text to speech synthesis for years, this strikes me as particularly odd.  (I've used it too.)

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Re: More people to hate: The AAuthors Guild
« Reply #4 on: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 11:46:07 AM »
And I do understand the need for voice synthesis.  Audiobooks are really expensive, and often not worth the price if the reader isn't that great.  These days productions are generally much better than they have been in the past, and a well-read audiobook can be an unquestionably joyous thing (such as Neil Gaiman himself reading Stardust, which should absolutely be experienced by anyone and everyone), but it sucks to pay 30 clams or more for what would be a ten dollar book if the reading itself isn't really that amazing.  I do have a text-to-speech program, which I mostly use to "read" copies of my manuscripts at work while away from the computer, to help with editing and proof reading, but I've also discovered that it can be of great use when I find something I don't have time to read (most recently the Warhammer 40k "Fluff Bible") unless I've got an audio copy to listen to at work, where I have hours and hours to kill while I go about the mindless bullshit that is my job.  And while it definitely isn't perfect, I'm absolutely shocked and stunned at how far these things have come.  Yes, you can absolutely enjoy a story or book that way if you get past the voice, which is sometimes easier to do than a sub-par *real* reader because their bad characterizations might get in the way, where the computer voice's monotone so lacks true inflection and sometimes proper pronunciation that it becomes more like reading something on a page, where the "voice" is irrelevant and your mind is just absorbing the words and building its own images with them rather than getting any unneeded assistance through the voice itself.

So yeah, I can see why they'd be worried.  The real shame of it, to me, is simply that audiobooks cost so much.  If you can find them cheap enough, they can be really wonderful.  The Recorded Books Unabridged Classics are great, for instance.  The guy they use for a lot of them is great, having deservedly won a lot of awards, and the books themselves nice and long while not generally being over $20.  Audible.com is another interesting place.  I've bought one book from them so far, and it's an interesting service, providing various distribution methods.  My Cowon D2 MP3 player supports the format, so it's got a single file that's divided into chapters and stuff.  The problem with them is slightly more limited selection, but that's partly an issue with me in general since I like a lot of obscure material that has little chance of ever getting an audio production.

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Re: More people to hate: The Authors Guild
« Reply #5 on: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 04:08:01 PM »
My friend bought a Kindle 2.  I must say that I was nowhere near sold on the machine until I actually held and used one.  The screen is amazing.  The form factor is nice.  I could definitely see using it daily.  That being said, the price is rather steep.  But hell, if you read a lot of books it could easily end up paying for itself.

Plus, browsing wikipedia anywhere at any time is the bomb diggity.

If it were like 150 or 199 i'd probably buy it without question

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Re: More people to hate: The Authors Guild
« Reply #6 on: Sunday, March 01, 2009, 01:31:47 PM »
This is why we should go back to burning books....or something.