Author Topic: Ebert Says Games Are Not Art (Again)  (Read 6530 times)

Offline idolminds

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Re: Ebert Says Games Are Not Art (Again)
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 08:32:23 AM »
Penny Arcade pretty much wins this.
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There are many, many replies to Roger Ebert's reeking ejaculate, from measured Judo-inspired reversals of momentum to primal shrieks which communicate rage in a harrowing, proto-linguistic state.  Thatgamecompany's Kellee Santiago chose to respond  to him, which gave the whole thing a kind of symmetry, seeing as it was her TED speech that drove that wretched, ancient warlock into his original spasm.

That was very polite of her, behaving as though she were one side of a conversation. For what it's worth. Which isn't much, honestly, because this weren't never a dialogue. He is not talking to you, he is just talking. And he's arguing

1. in bad faith,
2. in an internally contradictory way,
3. with nebulously defined terms,

so there's nothing here to discuss. You can if you want to, and people certainly do, but there's no profit in it. Nobody's going to hold their blade aloft at the end of this thing and found a kingdom. It's just something to fill the hours.

Also, do we win something if we defeat him? Does he drop a good helm? Because I can't for the life of me figure out why we give a shit what that creature says.  He doesn't operate under some divine shroud that lets him determine what is or is not valid culture. He cannot rob you, retroactively, of wholly valid experiences; he cannot transform them into worthless things.

He's simply a man determined to be on the wrong side of history, the wrong side of the human drive to create, and dreadfully so; a monument to the same generational bullshit that says because something has not been, it must not and could never be.

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Re: Ebert Says Games Are Not Art (Again)
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 04:11:55 PM »
I think Penny Arcade put the nail in the coffin here on this debate...

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Re: Ebert Says Games Are Not Art (Again)
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 08:24:05 PM »
Yes, but it's a bit ironic that they spent that effort on a "creature" they think shouldn't get any attention.

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Re: Ebert Says Games Are Not Art (Again)
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 08:32:27 PM »
I believe they were more responding to the people that were reacting to Ebert, not really reacting to Ebert directly themselves.

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Re: Ebert Says Games Are Not Art (Again)
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 08:35:17 PM »
True dat.

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Re: Ebert Says Games Are Not Art (Again)
« Reply #45 on: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 09:11:40 PM »
Yes, but it's a bit ironic that they spent that effort on a "creature" they think shouldn't get any attention.

What Idol said, but also their job is to comment on video came news/events. They're just doing what they regularly doing. The same really can't be said for Ebert... or can it?
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Re: Ebert Says Games Are Not Art (Again)
« Reply #46 on: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 10:47:37 PM »
I imagine in some capacity it certainly can be said for Ebert. 

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Re: Ebert Says Games Are Not Art (Again)
« Reply #47 on: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 12:16:12 AM »
Yea that seems quite oversensitive and an overreaction.


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Re: Ebert Says Games Are Not Art (Again)
« Reply #49 on: Thursday, July 01, 2010, 02:09:12 PM »

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Re: Ebert Says Games Are Not Art (Again)
« Reply #50 on: Thursday, July 01, 2010, 03:10:54 PM »
Well, I suppose now that we have Lord Ebert's blessing we can move on.

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Re: Ebert Says Games Are Not Art (Again)
« Reply #51 on: Thursday, July 01, 2010, 04:01:20 PM »
Well, I suppose now that we have Lord Ebert's blessing we can move on.

We didn't need his blessing in the first place...

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Re: Ebert Says Games Are Not Art (Again)
« Reply #52 on: Friday, July 02, 2010, 10:29:11 AM »
At least he finally admitted that he had no business even mentioning an artform that he has zero experience with.  Zero, as in never once played a videogame.  Check out the video at the bottom of that story too.