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Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« on: Saturday, July 27, 2013, 04:58:41 PM »
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/07/27/fez-2-canceled/

Makes me so glad I never purchased Fez.  What a raging douchebag.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #1 on: Saturday, July 27, 2013, 05:40:40 PM »
Apparently it was this video that set him off. According to his last few tweets, that GameTrailers guy went fishing for quotes about something or the other, and Jonathan Blow and Phil Fish didn't want to comment. So then the GT guy bashes them because of that. While Blow just sorta ignores that kind of crap it seems Phil takes it personally.

Sucks, though. Fez was cool.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #2 on: Saturday, July 27, 2013, 07:19:31 PM »
1. Create something you love
2. Sell it to people
3. Profit
4. Publicly tell people on the internet to suck your dick, and choke on it.
5. Tell an entire nation that the games they make all suck
6. Get butt-hurt over public reaction to you


Someone should tell Phil Fish that STEPS 4-6 ARE OPTIONAL. There are plenty of people who make video games and never speak to anyone about it on the internet.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #3 on: Saturday, July 27, 2013, 09:59:15 PM »
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/07/27/fez-2-canceled/

Makes me so glad I never purchased Fez.  What a raging douchebag.

Can you narrow down the relevant time there a bit?  I really don't want to sit and watch that for an hour.

I already knew that Phil Fish was reputed to be a douchebag.  Cancelling a game because of someone's commentary is about as immature a reaction as I've ever seen, and confirms the douchiness.  Fuck him.  Fez was cool, but I hope I never hear anything about him again.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #4 on: Saturday, July 27, 2013, 10:14:44 PM »
1. Create something you love
2. Sell it to people
3. Profit
4. Publicly tell people on the internet to suck your dick, and choke on it.
5. Tell an entire nation that the games they make all suck
6. Get butt-hurt over public reaction to you


Someone should tell Phil Fish that STEPS 4-6 ARE OPTIONAL. There are plenty of people who make video games and never speak to anyone about it on the internet.

This is brilliant and completely spot on. But more than that I think both these guys actually might have some slight mental balance issues that need to be sorted out. It amazed me when Jonathan blow had the balls to say that people were playing his game wrong and missing the point and then took a four month sabbatical to recouperate emotionally because the internet had pegged him with an image of being pretentious.  Don't want to be seen as pretentious?  Don't say pretentious things.

Then this shit. Phil Fish, from what I've seen, does nothing but fucking dish out his opinion in the most aggressive and abrasive way possible, but oh fuck...there's blowback to that? NOPE. I'M OUT.  I'm a delicate genius and fuck you for treating me like I'm fair game once I step in the arena.

It really does seem like Borderline Personality Disorder or something. "GIVE ME ATTENTION! LISTEN TO ME!" And then as soon as there's a bit of blowback to the fucking unquestionably controversial thing they say they curl up into a ball and become the victim.  This FEZ move almost seems like a move to put pressure on Marcus Beer, which is fucking crazy as shit.

Also, that guy was bang on about these two hipster douchebags.


PS: Braid wasn't that great.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #5 on: Saturday, July 27, 2013, 10:16:22 PM »
Haha It was Marcus Beers! Awesome, the Annoyed Gamer is great. It's right at the beginning of the video.

Phil Fish is a renowned attention whore, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's doing this to illicit some sort of community lash-back "Please Phil, make it Fez 2!" Either way, if he chooses not to make Fez 2 it's his loss alone.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #6 on: Saturday, July 27, 2013, 10:32:35 PM »
Can you narrow down the relevant time there a bit?  I really don't want to sit and watch that for an hour.

As Xessive said, it's right at the beginning of the video, right after the introductions.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #7 on: Saturday, July 27, 2013, 10:48:19 PM »








He's a crazy person.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #8 on: Sunday, July 28, 2013, 09:12:51 AM »
He's a crazy person.

Maybe.
Maybe not.

[conspiracy theory mode]
Maybe he did this so he will go finish Fez 2 in silence w/out the media bothering him. ;)
And then he'll just suddenly drop it w/out any warning...and gamers (i.e. his fans) will likely go buy the sequel. ;)
[/conspiracy theory mode]

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #9 on: Sunday, July 28, 2013, 09:27:17 AM »
I may experiencing a wild deja vu: this starting to feel like the gaming media version of Andy Kaufman's life, as referenced in Man on the Moon, full of eccentricity.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #10 on: Sunday, July 28, 2013, 09:33:53 AM »
I may experiencing a wild deja vu: this starting to feel like the gaming media version of Andy Kaufman's life, as referenced in Man on the Moon, full of eccentricity.
Which, you know - Andy is indeed was his Twitter avatar. ;)
Again - I have a funny feeling, this is stunt on his half.

I actually won Fez 1 in a GOG Giveaway, a bit ago - maybe I should get around to playing it, some day. ;)

EDIT:
Both Marcus Beers and Fish seem to be a lot alike - i.e very abrasive and blunt on their opinions and thoughts on things.
I really didn't like what Fish said from GDC 2012 about Japanese games in general, though.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #11 on: Sunday, July 28, 2013, 10:31:43 AM »
Maybe.
Maybe not.

[conspiracy theory mode]
Maybe he did this so he will go finish Fez 2 in silence w/out the media bothering him. ;)
And then he'll just suddenly drop it w/out any warning...and gamers (i.e. his fans) will likely go buy the sequel. ;)
[/conspiracy theory mode]

Or he could have just not done that, and worked on it in silence in the first place. Phil is just a ragenaut, but he's not stupid.

I always thought that people were a little too hard on him, granted his response to it was always done poorly but when people weren't being dickbags to him he can be a pretty cool guy. Anyway it's shitty news, though I would have rather wanted something more original than a sequel to a game he went through hell and back to make.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #12 on: Sunday, July 28, 2013, 09:23:06 PM »
I have no idea who these people are.

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« Reply #14 on: Monday, July 29, 2013, 03:21:33 PM »
I have no idea who these people are.
I'm with you. Including the guy mentioned in the post after yours.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 02:29:12 AM »
I have no idea who these people are.

Jonathan Blow is the indie developer that made Braid
Phil Fish is the indie developer that made Fez
Marcus Beer is a random guy who works for Gametrailers.com
Patrick Klepek is the main news guy at Giantbomb.com (formerly worked at G4 TV)

Jonathan Blow and Phil Fish are the most vocal indie developers around, and tend to eat up the limelight as much as possible (especially Fish). Fish is known for being an asshole, and Blow is known for being pretentious. (though he makes some great points about game design quite often, despite how he comes across.)

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 06:14:51 AM »
Yup, I knew who J. Blow was. Why was Braid so popular? It wasn't bad, but had some terrible writing.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday, July 31, 2013, 01:44:06 PM »
Here's a mildly interesting Polygon article relevant to the main topic: A developer's guide to surviving fame, trolls and themselves

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday, July 31, 2013, 03:26:33 PM »
Meh. I thought FEZ was fantastic, and I don't know thing one about Fish really other than the couple things I've seen. I'm inclined to agree with Pyro. This is really just a case of a creative guy with maybe not the best handle on social interaction spending too much time talking to people. He should have realized how easy it was for him to get all worked up, and then just turned off the Internet and gotten back to work. There are always douchebags, or even just reasonable people who don't like you, agree with your standpoint, or like what you produce. They aren't your market, so just do the work for the people who are.

EDIT - Interesting article, X. I think that and the first few comments were reasonable. No matter how dumb you act, what stupid stuff you say, or the mistakes you may make, people are people, and it definitely hurts to get a lot of shit tossed at you. And on the Internet, people will just accept the stuff as fact and agree with public opinion. I know people who have never read a word about Fish and aren't into indie games, but are still entirely convinced he's an asshole and crybaby. You have to learn how your buttons get pushed and build up defenses against weak moments where you lash out or do something dumb. We all do stupid shit sometimes... just have to find a way to chill out and carry on.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #19 on: Thursday, August 01, 2013, 02:31:39 AM »
I know a lot of artists. They don't have the tools in their personality to handle the business aspect of things. That being said, Fish shouldn't be let off the hook.

(I wrote that last sentence just for the pun. I don't care so much about this.)

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #21 on: Thursday, August 01, 2013, 07:26:46 AM »
This ordeal finally prompted me to watch Indie Game:  The Movie over the past few days.  It's softened my opinion on Phil Fish a little bit, but I still maintain that the constant online bashing is brought upon by himself.  Thought Jonathan Blow was portrayed in a positive light.  Seems like a real easygoing dude.  He works at a stand-up work station though and I thought that was hilarious.

But more than anything the film made me appreciate the Super Meat Boy guys.  Seems like they're genuinely appreciative of the success they've had, and both are real likable in their own ways.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #22 on: Friday, August 02, 2013, 08:46:22 PM »
This ordeal finally prompted me to watch Indie Game:  The Movie over the past few days.  It's softened my opinion on Phil Fish a little bit, but I still maintain that the constant online bashing is brought upon by himself.  Thought Jonathan Blow was portrayed in a positive light.  Seems like a real easygoing dude.  He works at a stand-up work station though and I thought that was hilarious.

But more than anything the film made me appreciate the Super Meat Boy guys.  Seems like they're genuinely appreciative of the success they've had, and both are real likable in their own ways.

OK, I watched this movie tonight, and if anything, my negative opinion of Phil Fish is now more set in stone.  The guy is just a massive jerk, the kind who simply can't help himself.  I feel sorry for him, really.  Psychotherapy seldom helps anyone, but maybe he should give it a shot.  The guy was saying he would kill himself if Fez failed, for Christ's sake.  Considering he probably had to sign off on what ended up on this movie, I can just imagine how much worse interacting with him can get.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #23 on: Friday, August 02, 2013, 11:39:49 PM »
That's the thing, the guy is obviously a huge asshole. I don't really have any sympathy for him and find the posts on the internet sympathizing with him ("He just wants to make games! Leave him alone!  People just harass the guy") pretty dumb.

Want to make games?  Shut the fuck up and make them.

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #24 on: Saturday, August 31, 2013, 09:13:52 AM »
"Annoyed Gamer" Marcus Beer speaks on Phil Fish, Marcus' role in the games industry, the media, etc:
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/rtqihw/annoyed-gamer-back-with-a-vengeance

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Re: Official: Phil Fish suffers from sandy vagina, cancels Fez 2
« Reply #25 on: Saturday, August 31, 2013, 12:41:43 PM »
Marcus was too kind to Phil in that video.