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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #40 on: Monday, June 04, 2007, 07:29:28 PM »
All I said was "I will never buy Vista".  Read carefully.
Touché.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #41 on: Monday, June 04, 2007, 07:31:00 PM »
Because that will be the big pull to gamers to upgrade to Vista. You want DX10? You need Vista. Thats pretty much the only reason for it.
Yeah; pretty much.

There's not really much new in the tech world for DX10 being mentioned, right now.

Namely, a lot of the newer special effects we have some trouble w/ running in DX9 basically run a hell of a lot better in DX10.

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Forget these poor releases from MS (which, BTW, don't use DX10 at all. Both Halo 2 and Shadowrun are pure DX9 games), whats going to make gamers want Vista is when other games are released with extra DX10 effects.
Exactly.

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Like UT3, which supposedly runs better with more effects in DX10 than DX9. Right there is a reason a lot of people will get Vista.
Agreed.

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And then in another year or two when every game is DX10, everyone will have Vista.
I'm guessing when I buy a new PC, Vista will be equipped.
That's when I'll jump to Vista, very likely.

Unless, I can get Vista dirt cheap somewhere on some sort of special sale....
...I doubt that, though.




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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #42 on: Monday, June 04, 2007, 07:46:21 PM »
And yes, given that I didn't make much of a point... what Cobra said is exactly why I'm pissed about all this.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #43 on: Monday, June 04, 2007, 08:00:58 PM »
Have Microsoft stated what the heck is actually brand-new for tech in DX10 that weren't at all in DX9.0 period?

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #44 on: Monday, June 04, 2007, 08:58:54 PM »
Have Microsoft stated what the heck is actually brand-new for tech in DX10 that weren't at all in DX9.0 period?


Pretty sure they have mate, I suggest google becuase these types of details never really floated my boat so I never paid much attention.  ;D

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #45 on: Monday, June 04, 2007, 09:07:16 PM »
Just remember that you can play Shadowrun on dedicated servers on PC, free, no Gold subscription required!

Too bad according to the official forums there are currently only 4 such servers....

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday, June 05, 2007, 02:49:36 AM »
Anyone else who never wants to buy Vista can PM me for help.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #47 on: Wednesday, June 06, 2007, 12:30:40 AM »
GFW Radio 6/5/07

First you laugh, then you cry, then you get angry.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #48 on: Wednesday, June 06, 2007, 12:44:19 AM »
Jeez... they just keep going.  I keep thinking they'll stop, and then they mention something else.  Heh.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #49 on: Wednesday, June 06, 2007, 12:55:55 AM »
For anyone who's curious we have yet to sell one copy of either the PC or 360 version of this game at my work since release.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #50 on: Wednesday, June 06, 2007, 04:30:58 AM »
At least not all the news is bad, then.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #51 on: Wednesday, June 06, 2007, 02:01:25 PM »
For anyone who's curious we have yet to sell one copy of either the PC or 360 version of this game at my work since release.

That's a big ouch for Microsoft and FASA.

EDIT #1:
On another very related note, this is what GameDaily feels about this whole "Games For Windows (Vista and Live)" movement.

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6.8 from IGN on Shadowrun PC/X360.
IGN says they like what the game tries to achieve -- mixing magic and gunplay -- saying that it's quite fun.
But, they don't like the major lack of content (for its price), lack of presentation, issues w/ Live, and the game's tech issues.


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GFW Radio 6/5/07

First you laugh, then you cry, then you get angry.

Interesting....They state that there was a single player mode originally, but it got ripped out???!?!!? WTF??!?!?!?!
That sucks, content-wise -- especially since the game only has 12 maps -- 9 original MP maps.

Why is this game $50 then????

I mean, it's not like this game has around 30 (or so) MP maps....
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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #52 on: Wednesday, June 06, 2007, 04:56:19 PM »
That podcast was great.  Thanks, idol.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #53 on: Friday, June 08, 2007, 10:43:36 PM »
The hilarity continues! According to a thread on Cheapassgamer, the week of June 17th, Circuit City will be giving Shadowrun PC away with a purchase of Halo 2 Vista. Not only that, but Halo 2 will be on sale that week for $40. So that makes them...$20 each?

I feel sorry for the people that went out and bought them full price.

Ok, no I don't.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #54 on: Friday, June 08, 2007, 10:47:43 PM »
I'd say they got what they paid for - crappy overpriced games.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #55 on: Saturday, June 09, 2007, 05:08:02 AM »
The hilarity continues! According to a thread on Cheapassgamer, the week of June 17th, Circuit City will be giving Shadowrun PC away with a purchase of Halo 2 Vista. Not only that, but Halo 2 will be on sale that week for $40. So that makes them...$20 each?

I feel sorry for the people that went out and bought them full price.

Ok, no I don't.

That fast?!?!?!?!

So, basically, they are Bargain Binning two BRAND NEW games for a week.

Oh, God -- that's hilarious!!!


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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #56 on: Sunday, June 10, 2007, 03:43:41 PM »
Time passes, interesting things happen.

Falling Leaf is supposedly working on software that will allow people to play Halo2 and Shadowrun on XP, and they expect a release by the end of July.

Also, this PC Gamer Podcast talks to Mitch Gitelman from FASA Studio. The PCG crew seem to actually enjoy Shadowrun.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #57 on: Wednesday, June 27, 2007, 01:59:27 PM »
OXM has a podcast w/ Mitch Getelman of FASA on Shadowrun.

Around 21 minutes into the podcast, they start to talk to Getelman about it.
It goes on 'til around 58 mins of the podcast.


Getelman complains about the reviews -- and complains right to OXM for giving his game a "7" and that "the reviews and reviewers suck".

This podcast even gets into a conversation about reviewers scoring games, how some people look at the score and not the review, and etc etc.

And, it even gets into OXM asking Getelman if he thinks it is worth the $50-60 price tag, for the (lacking) amount of content in the game....

Getelman mentions they are working on a patch to fix some NetCode (which he mentions are SR's issues, not b/c od Windows Live) and to fix and add some other things to SR.

Getelman does say he would like to eventually make an RPG for Shadowrun.
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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday, June 27, 2007, 04:35:23 PM »
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Getelman complains about the reviews -- and complains right to OXM for giving his game a "7" and that "the reviews and reviewers suck".

Great 'quote' out of context D.
He doesn't so much complain but asks them to justify, his point of view was that a 7 was low enough that no one would bother reading the review and then he rants for a bit. He says several times that he likes them and their work etc so he certainly didn't rip them apart which is what I was expecting.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #59 on: Wednesday, June 27, 2007, 06:12:24 PM »
Great 'quote' out of context D.
He doesn't so much complain but asks them to justify, his point of view was that a 7 was low enough that no one would bother reading the review and then he rants for a bit.
Yes, he does complain and even ask for their reasons -- and yes, they do give it. He can't seem to get a lot through the thick skull of his, though.
OXM's big thing was that they liked Shadowrun -- but the game, they feel, is VERY lacking content, for its price.

And, they also get into an interesting talk about episodic gaming, Valve w/ Episodic content, delivery of media of digital vs. physical, etc etc.

They even get into Team Fortress 2 only having less maps than Shadowrun, though OXW tells them that TF2 is 1/5 of the game package (HL2, HL2: Ep One, HL2: Ep Two, TF2, and Portal will come in that upcoming box from Valve). Shadowrun is one entire whole package for $60 -- w/ only NINE original maps (12 in total, if you count the re-visioned maps).

I can't speak for the rest of the world myself, but if it's a game I'm interested in, no matter what the score is, I read the entire review.

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He says several times that he likes them and their work etc so he certainly didn't rip them apart which is what I was expecting.
I didn't say he "ripped them apart".
I said he "complained."

Getelman's game did get a "7." A 7 might not be great, but it's still decent.

I dunno, but 12 maps total seems quite lacking for a MP only-shooter, content-wise -- "tight game experience" (as Getelman says) or not. Especially at $50 (PC) or $60 (X360).

It'd be pretty cool if Getelman's team at FASA, for their next patch, add a bunch of new maps and stuff. That would really make Shadowrunner gamers much happier, I'd bet. I'm sure that'd be a start...

Another idea to make that $50-60 price tag sit better w/ PC gamers -- FASA should release a Map-Making SDK on the PC -- as I'm sure, much of the PC's MP FPS community live off what some of the modders can bring to the table for maps and stuff for their FPS games.





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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #60 on: Wednesday, June 27, 2007, 06:16:36 PM »
On a similar note, Halo 2 and Shadowrun have both been hacked to run on XP. I don't think online multiplayer works yet, but SP and LAN does.
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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #61 on: Wednesday, June 27, 2007, 06:48:15 PM »
On a similar note, Halo 2 and Shadowrun have both been hacked to run on Vista. I don't think online multiplayer works yet, but SP and LAN does.
XP you mean?

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #62 on: Wednesday, June 27, 2007, 06:52:36 PM »
He can't seem to get a lot through the thick skull of his, though.

Oh god there's an easy joke there.... must resist....

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #63 on: Wednesday, June 27, 2007, 07:04:01 PM »

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #64 on: Wednesday, June 27, 2007, 07:23:06 PM »
Oh god there's an easy joke there.... must resist....

And yes, I have a thick skull, too..

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #65 on: Monday, July 02, 2007, 02:07:48 PM »
I finally tried the demo on X360 and actually thought it was fun.  The various spells mixed with the standard shooter gameplay seems like it could be worth it.  I understand why everyone is rankled over this Vista business, but I'm inclined to agree with Penny Arcade, that there is a decent game to had here if you put a few things aside.

That said, I won't be getting it until it's cheaper.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #66 on: Sunday, July 22, 2007, 06:06:54 AM »
Is DX10 and Win Live coming to XP?    

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DX10 Coming to XP?

July 21, 2007 - ... [Shane Kim of Microsoft, at E3] hints that DX10 may be coming to XP (or "Windows" as he calls it):

    GI: I'm all set [with a DX10 card], I'm just a little scared of Vista.

    Kim: We will win your support on Vista.

    GI: How?

    Kim: Because, at the end of the day, it's all about content to me. We're delivering the platform, Live is coming to Windows, DX10 is coming to Windows. At the end of the day, it's going to be about great content, that you go, "OK, for the stuff I want to play on Windows on my PC, OK, we did a good job." All of the stuff that we're doing for that is foundational stuff. The marketing efforts, the better merchandising in the stores and things like that. At the end of the day, it's going to be about the content. If we don't deliver that—I don't mean just Microsoft—but if the industry doesn't deliver that, then we're not going to win your hearts and minds, because all of these publishers that are out there, they want—they need—Windows to be a successful gaming platform.

Live and DX10 are already on Vista, so if they're coming to "Windows"... Read between the lines!

In other news, 1UP has another interview with Shane that deals more with consoles.
So, hmmmm....DX10 and Live are coming to "Windows", Shane Kim says. Okay, does he mean he's hinting at them Coming to Win XP? Or, is that his response to him winning over us to migrate over to Vista? Or maybe both here??? Yeah, kind of ambiguous wording, if I ever heard it or read it....

So, let's assume, for the hell of it, that Microsoft is bringing Live and DX10 to Win XP, just for the hell of it...

As VoodooExtreme put it, Live and DX10 are on Vista already....So, where-else can they put DX10? Probably Windows XP. Is Microsoft claiming defeat here?!?!!? Is Microsoft budging?!?!? It really looks like Microsoft might be admitting defeat w/ their over-push of Windows Vista, if they are planning to bring Live and DX10 to XP. And, as we all figured, claims were probably true that DX10 could be brought to XP, if they so wanted to try and do so -- looks like they're trying to do so! Hell, I mean -- some hackers did try and port Halo 2 and Shadowrun over to XP, themselves...

M$ had pissed off a lot of gamers w/ Vista Exclusives that also appears on either of their XBox systems, such as Halo 2 PC (also on XBox) and Shadowrun PC (also on the X360) -- games that probably should've been on Win XP, anyways. I mean, hell -- it's not like they picked the best games to make a Vista Exclusive; that's not a good way to convince gamers to migrate over to Vista.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #67 on: Sunday, July 22, 2007, 08:17:09 AM »
That'd sure be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.  I'll believe it when I see it.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #68 on: Sunday, July 22, 2007, 08:19:51 AM »
That'd sure be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.  I'll believe it when I see it.
Exactly my thoughts.

Though, if M$ does bring Win Live and DX10 to XP, I'm sure it would make a lot of PC gamers happy...

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #69 on: Sunday, July 22, 2007, 09:08:35 AM »
We already know Live is coming to XP (Gears of War uses Live for multiplayer and will run on XP), so thats already taken care of. Now DX10 on XP would be an even bigger deal.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #70 on: Sunday, July 22, 2007, 09:37:34 AM »
We already know Live is coming to XP (Gears of War uses Live for multiplayer and will run on XP), so thats already taken care of.
Oh yeah -- that's true!
Good point.

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Now DX10 on XP would be an even bigger deal.
Definitely.

I think it'd make a lot of PC gamers happy to have DX10 on XP -- 'cause that would mean that w/out hacks and all of that jazz, Halo 2 PC and Shadowrun PC will likely work on XP. It'd be official.


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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #72 on: Friday, December 03, 2010, 02:47:39 PM »
Thats what I paid for it from GoGamer several months ago. Still havent played it. Need to get a new OS.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #73 on: Friday, December 03, 2010, 03:03:06 PM »
Tempting but I can't trust buying anything online from Microsoft since the dickwads refused to correct the region on my original account, which means that I cannot log in for some asinine reason. It was bound to my primary e-mail address and they won't even release my e-mail from that LIVE account. It's like a permanent stain.

To play LIVE stuff I had to create another "Windows Live" account which I never use for anything but to log into Xbox Live stuff. Until they fix my issue I'll never actually spend any money on LIVE.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #74 on: Saturday, December 04, 2010, 06:40:40 AM »
Thats what I paid for it from GoGamer several months ago. Still havent played it. Need to get a new OS.
I got Shadowrun PC on disc, as well.
I just ain't bought a new PC w/ Vista or Win 7 on it...yet.

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #75 on: Saturday, December 04, 2010, 10:38:44 AM »
Wasn't this iteration considered pretty terrible?

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Re: Shadowrun goes gold
« Reply #76 on: Saturday, December 04, 2010, 10:47:22 AM »
Wasn't this iteration considered pretty terrible?
Pretty much, yeah.
And it was really b/c of a lot of the stupid BS that came w/ it, not the actual game itself.

See Gerstmann's old GameSpot review for why or many other reviews out there.

I think a lot of people would've been happier if...
1.If it wasn't titled Shadowrun (this MP shooter game has nothing of much to do w/ the franchise and RPG);
2.They didn't charge $50 for a game w/ a MAJOR lack of content upon release;
3.They didn't gimp PC gamers w/ an "Autoaim" when playing against X360 gamers;
4.They didn't charge PC gamers on G4WL a Sub-Fee to higher grade servers to play X-Platform Games (360 and PC).
5.The game didn't have high-system requirements upon release;
6.The game was NOT a Vista exclusive.