Topic: Finished Dead Rising

[scottws]

And I'm pissed!

[spoiler]So I'm running around killing the shit out of the special forces dudes.  I also try to destroy the helicopter in the courtyard with machine guns but am unable to so I just decide with about 3 hours left before departure time that I'm bored and will just wait in the security room.

Well, in the warehouse somehow the special forces get the best of me and I'm captured.  I manage to escape, but now I of course have no weapons (I had 2 small chainsaws and the 3 books that make them last almost forever).  I also lost all my wine bottles for health.  And I'm running out of time.

I manage to get back in by the food court and get some more wine, and take out a special forces guy with that helicopter spin.  So now I have a weapon.  I go get another small chainsaw and start building up my book collection.  I head back to the Paradise Plaza to get the other two books and get to the security room.

On the way, Isabela calls and says that I should come back to the hideout because the military is conduction a new operation or something.  Well, I'm not thinking and keep going to the security room.  I realize when I get there she meant Carlito's hideout, but it is too late to make it there before noon.  So I just go up the roof and wait at the bottom of the stairs to the helipad.

Well, I guess you have to stand on the helipad instead of next to it because the helicopter pilot was looking for me at the helipad and didn't see me, then gets killed by a zombie.

Fucking bitch.
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[Quemaqua]

I'm trying to remember how the first ending actually went, and that doesn't sound all that off.  Keep in mind that...

[spoiler]Well, there's more to the game than just the first ending.  You don't get the real ending until you beat overtime mode.[/spoiler]

Did the credits roll or did you "lose"?

[scottws]

What is overtime mode?  The only option I had to start the game was 72-hour mode.

Yeah, I just read a guide and you only get overtime mode by

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going to Carlito's hideout, which I didn't do.
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[Quemaqua]

Ah, well that's weak.  Overtime mode is awesome.

[Cobra951]

Anywhere on the helipad area is fine.  I don't think that's the problem.

[spoiler]There are several endings for the game.  If you don't do all that's required, you don't get the A ending, and the game ends without Overtime Mode.  You do need to go back to talk to Isabela.[/spoiler]

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[spoiler]If you dedicate a 72-hour game to getting the Zombie Genocider achievement, you get the Megaman Mega Buster, which makes the boss fights a joke.  That's one way to blaze through the game again, after going through the trouble of beating it honestly once.  It helps a lot with that frustration you're feeling.

You get that by killing somewhere between 53,000 and 54,000 zombies.  You do that by running them over with vehicles in the maintenance tunnels.  The vehicles respawn whenever there's a loading screen, so you basically follow a route which takes you from vehicle to vehicle underground, and you swich before the one you're in craps out from damage.  The route takes you in and out of the tunnels (to the parking lot above ground).  Check out GameFAQs if you don't want to figure out the particulars yourself.  There's a FAQ on this achievement alone.  Also, make sure to get an ending (doesn't matter which).  You don't get the Mega Buster until you complete the game and then start another.[/spoiler]

[Pugnate]

The more I hear about this game, the more it sounds gimmicky. I was hoping for a survival zombie game, and instead it just sounds like it has a lot of elements that take you away from the setting. I wouldn't expect any less from a console developer, but am I wrong? Do you guys think there are many instances that break the suspension of disbelief?

I am about to get a 360 for my bro, and will definitely play Dead Rising on it first, but a couple of things worry me. Here is the Gamespot review:

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/deadrising/review.html?sid=6155398

The real-time structuring of Dead Rising has its unique qualities, but it doesn't always work particularly well. Specifically, the mission structure and the game's rather punishing save system simply don't get along with one another. Save points are scattered in a few specific spots throughout the mall, and you only get one save per storage device on the Xbox 360. Considering most people probably only have one storage device, that means one save for the whole game. The inherent problem with this is that because the game revolves so heavily on a rigid schedule for the case files, if you save yourself into a corner where you can't feasibly get to that next case file in time, you're screwed. All the case files are connected, and if you fail to get to one on time, the trail goes cold and you're unable to pick up any of the other story missions.

Interestingly enough, if this nightmare scenario happens, you can opt to save the game with Frank's current level and abilities intact and start the whole story over (which you'll basically have to do if you find yourself in this position anyway). Doing this does make it easier to bust through the parts you've already played, but it's still an obnoxious thing to have to deal with. By nature, having to be places on time is not an inherently fun thing. It's especially frustrating when the penalty for not being somewhere on time is the whole story mode ending and you having to start over from hopefully a close enough spot to eventually make it. Thankfully, Dead Rising turns out to be a game you'll want to play through multiple times. But potentially forcing players to replay sections because of an overly punishing save system is the polar opposite of fun.

That sounds insane. Have they released a patch?

What's more, there are tons of bizarre and hilarious ways to use these objects. Say, for instance, you find a novelty mask inside a toy store. Rather than simply bludgeon a zombie to death with it, you can put it over its head and watch it stumble around blindly, completely unable to detect you. Find a jar of cooking oil inside a mall diner, and explode it onto the floor. Then toss a nearby severed arm into the thick of it, and watch the zombies slip and slide all over the place as they struggle for their meal. Frank's also got a number of truly insane hand-to-hand combat moves he can gain throughout the course of the game. From punching a zombie in the gut and disemboweling it with a single thrust to wacky wrestling moves like German suplexes and giant swings, odds are you've never combated the undead quite like this. It's very entertaining, and the combat controls make it a breeze to pull most all these moves off. The moves themselves are simplistic, and there are no combos or other complications to worry about. It's just about getting a weapon into your hand and pressing the right attack buttons to bludgeon, stab, or shoot away.

hahaha that sounds so crazy and awesome. Screw this, I want to play this now!!

[Quemaqua]

I'm pretty much sick of defending the game.  It's awesome.  If you don't like it, your loss.  Just try it and find out.  It definitely has problems and is far from a perfect game, but the good stuff makes up for it.  That's about all I have the patience to say at this point.

[Cobra951]

The problem is that, unless you know in advance what you're getting into, you are going to be very frustrated by those things you quoted.  The game is made to be played repeatedly, as you level up.  It's sort of like Groundhog Day in that respect.  As you gain experience, you can address the requirements with better timing and understanding.

Having said that, the save system is definitely poor.  I'm lucky in that I have both the HDD and a memory card, so what I ended up doing is using the HDD for the safe saves (beginning of chapters, usually), and the memory card for the in-between saves.  That way, if I got stuck in a situation with not enough time left, I could go back to the safe save.  With the HDD or a memory card alone, you don't have this luxury.

[Pugnate]

I was actually seeking a more impartial opinion which is why I was asking Scottws and Cobra. The game is $65 here so that's why.

[Cobra951]

My opinion went from "this sucks!" to "I can't stop playing this!"  If you get past the multi-game learning curve, I think you will love it.  The one and and only gripe I have not been able to address is the constant accidental roll-forward moves.  Double tapping an omnidirectional analog joystick is not at all like double tapping left or right on a D-Pad.  Whoever came up with this mechanic needs to die a painful death.

[Quemaqua]

I was actually seeking a more impartial opinion which is why I was asking Scottws and Cobra. The game is $65 here so that's why.

Well, the game is sixty bucks here, too.  Or at least it was when I picked it up.

[Pugnate]

Well, the game is sixty bucks here, too.  Or at least it was when I picked it up.

What do you want me to say? 

My opinion went from "this sucks!" to "I can't stop playing this!"  If you get past the multi-game learning curve, I think you will love it.  The one and and only gripe I have not been able to address is the constant accidental roll-forward moves.  Double tapping an omnidirectional analog joystick is not at all like double tapping left or right on a D-Pad.  Whoever came up with this mechanic needs to die a painful death.

Thanks for the info Cobra. The fun stuff described in the reviews certainly seems awesome. Hey does this have some split screen action?

[Quemaqua]

Don't want you to say anything.  I was just mentioning that it's pricey here as well, so you aren't alone in your fears of blowing money.

[Pugnate]

I know. The only reason I was seeking Cobra's and Scottw's opinion rather than yours isn't because I don't respect yours, because I do. It is because you are fond of the genre far more than I, and would thus be more willing to look past any flaws. Like for example if Diablo 3, Neverwinter Nights 3 or Civilization 5 came out, I'd be less impartial than some more neutral to those sort of games.

I already know where you stand on the game, and that's about all I know. Cobra and Scottws have both professed their love for the game as well as the frustrations it has caused them, so I was wondering how at the end of it all it stands.

It isn't that I am not a fan of the zombie theme. On the contrary, I love anything post apocalyptic, especially when it has something to do with zombies. I've seen Dawn of the Dead a gazillion times, and that scene shot from top of the mall where they show all those zombies going about just fascinates me.

My ideal zombie game would be very realistic, with humanity slowly being erased out. It would be a frightening, bleak and humorless game that would show how the last few humans are dealing with hopelessness. Actually it would be a lot like the first half of 28 days later, minus the stupid zombies.

Obviously this game isn't like that at all, but I was just thinking out loud there.

Anyway I will pick this up soon and let you guys know what I think. : )

[MysterD]

I know. The only reason I was seeking Cobra's and Scottw's opinion rather than yours isn't because I don't respect yours, because I do. It is because you are fond of the genre far more than I, and would thus be more willing to look past any flaws. Like for example if Diablo 3, Neverwinter Nights 3 or Civilization 5 came out, I'd be less impartial than some more neutral to those sort of games.

Oooooh @ NWN III.

Sounds good.

[scottws]

I really like the game.  It's the best zombie game I've ever played by far, but it took me a long time to get over its flaws.

I initially ooked at the game more as a movie, a story about a town infected with zombies and your struggle to survive in it.  But I had to come to grips with the fact that it's a game, and has boss characters that would have no place in such a movie.

Once I got over it, I fell in love with the game.  It definitely one of the better games on the 360, and as I said before it is the best zombie game ever made IMO.

[MysterD]

Damn....we really need a PC port of this one, Capcom....

[scottws]

So yeah, I went back and used a glitch to be able to play the game with no required missions.  Now I have all the time in the world to complete zombie genocider.  Well, 72 hours anyway.

I realized though that I'm going to have to go back again and get the unbreakable and punisher achievements too, so I can complete the Mega Man outfit.

[Cobra951]

So yeah, I went back and used a glitch to be able to play the game with no required missions.

   Had not heard about that one.

[spoiler]I actually went from scratch to Level-50 completion of 72 hour mode (Ending A) in 2 games.  I started a new game without loading a previous save, with Frank at Level 1.  Used that game for Zombie Genocider, and finished it at around Level 40.  (You get 20,000 PP every 1000 zombies, regardless of how you kill them, and I killed over 100,000.)  About 2/3rds of the way through the 2nd game, my level was maxxed out.[/spoiler]

[scottws]

  Had not heard about that one.

Yeah, it's a glitch.  Here's the explaination/how it's done.

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Normally when you start the game and the zombies are let into the mall, you race to the stairs.  On the way back into the mall as you're just about to leave the warehouse and enter Paradise Plaza, you have a cutscene with Jessie, setting up the first mission to help Brad with Carlito in the food court.

There seems to be some function in the game that is either time-based or zombie-kill-based.  When you cross this threshold, the next time you go to the warehouse, you get the cutscene about the queen wasp.  So what you do is fight the zombies in the entrance plaza before going up the stairs.  Again, it is not known whether it is time-based or kill-based, but if you kill 600 zombies in the entrance plaza before going up the stairs, you will trigger the queen wasp cutscene the first time you go through the warehouse instead of your second or third time.

Subsequently, Jessie's cutscene does not take place and you are never given the mission to help Brad, nor any other of the important missions.  Otis still calls you about the side missions.  Actually it's a bit maddening because it took me about 13 game hours to kill 600 zombies so he had quite a queue of missions to call me about by the time I actually got the transceiver.  I was going for zombie genocider so I wasn't answering him and after awhile I was like, "Jesus Otis, can't you fucking assume I'm dead by now and stop calling?"

Killing the 600 zombies isn't as hard as it sounds.  I used the hammer throw to take out big rows of zombies.  It quickly thins out and you make your way to the entrance.  After you clear that and turn around, a ton more spawned behind you and you can go back and kill them.  Then you repeat this, but each time you make your way from the back to the front, less and less spawn.  By the end, when I turned around there would only be 2 or 3.  And most of them have hunks of meat they are fucking with so it's really easy to just run up behind them and do a face smash or suplex to kill them.
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[MysterD]

Interesting....
...So, is Capcom gonna patch that glitch up???

Or are they gonna let it stick just like the "font" issue that needed patching, but they decided they just won't patch???

[scottws]

I wouldn't think they'd patch it up as the only way you'd really experience it is if you purposely waste a bunch of time at the beginning.

[MysterD]

I wouldn't think they'd patch it up as the only way you'd really experience it is if you purposely waste a bunch of time at the beginning.

Ah, I see.....

...But, it's still an exploit...

[scottws]

So what.  It's not like it's a multiplayer game.

[MysterD]

So what.  It's not like it's a multiplayer game.

Point taken...

...But it's still a bug.

[Quemaqua]

Nobody cares.

[MysterD]

Nobody cares.

Oh well....
 
+1 post....

 

[Cobra951]

Yeah, it's a glitch.  Here's the explaination/how it's done.

. . .

Wow.  I'm going to have to try that for the hell of it.  I'll take any excuse I find to get back into DR.   

[MysterD]

Damn you all.....

All this DR talk, I want a PC port like....NOW!

[scottws]

Don't hold your breath.  Capcom doens't do PC ports, do they?

[iPPi]

I tried the demo for this game and wasn't too impressed with it.

[MysterD]

Don't hold your breath.  Capcom doens't do PC ports, do they?

Res Evil 4 is bound for official release on the PC VERY SOON.

The newest Devil May Cry is at stores for the PC...
What is it? DMC3? Or 4?

[TheOtherBelmont]

Res Evil 4 is bound for official release on the PC VERY SOON.

The newest Devil May Cry is at stores for the PC...
What is it? DMC3? Or 4?

The newest is DMC 3, DMC4 is coming out PS3 sometime this year.

[Pugnate]

I enjoyed RE4 for all the twenty minutes that I tried it, but really couldn't go much further. I need motivation to revisit it.

[Quemaqua]

I was tempted to get DMC3 for PC.  It's like twenty bucks and I'd totally play it on my nice monitor and stuff.  But I haven't read a review of the PC version yet, so I held off.

[TheOtherBelmont]

I was tempted to get DMC3 for PC.  It's like twenty bucks and I'd totally play it on my nice monitor and stuff.  But I haven't read a review of the PC version yet, so I held off.

Sorry to derail the thread more, but if you don't own any of the Devil May Cry games at all you can pick up a 3 pack of all three games on PS2 for $30 and it has the special edition of DMC3 where you can play as Dante's brother Vergil.  Yeah, the second game sucked, but you'll have the other two.

[Quemaqua]

Oh, I already own all of them.  Well, not 2, but 1 and 3.  I just wouldn't mind having 3 on my PC.

[scottws]

I hated DMC.  I sold it back to EB Games within a week.  It was one of the few games I ever sold back as used.

Res Evil 4 is bound for official release on the PC VERY SOON.

The newest Devil May Cry is at stores for the PC...
What is it? DMC3? Or 4?

Well, on that kind of schedule then I guess you'll be waiting another 3 years or so before you see a Dead Rising port on the PC, if one is ever made.

[iPPi]

I enjoyed RE4 for all the twenty minutes that I tried it, but really couldn't go much further. I need motivation to revisit it.

Zomg you need to play more RE4.

[Pugnate]

Tell me why I need to play it more.