Author Topic: slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards  (Read 4267 times)

Offline idolminds

  • ZOMG!
  • Administrator
  • Forum god
  • *
  • Posts: 11,943
slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards
« on: Monday, September 22, 2008, 10:55:35 AM »
All the cool kids are doing it.
Press release

1GB of space for the music, liner notes, and video. Amazingly, no DRM on the stuff, either. If your MP3 player (or cell phone, which is more likely) has a mSD slot you can just plug it in and listen. It comes with a little USB adapter so you can transfer to your PC and to players that dont have memory slots.

The sad part is the music is 320kbps MP3. They have 1GB of storage, they could easily fit uncompressed CD audio on the damn thing!

Offline Cobra951

  • Gold Member
  • *
  • Posts: 8,934
Re: slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards
« Reply #1 on: Monday, September 22, 2008, 12:39:32 PM »
MicroSD cards tend to come with a full-sized SD adapter, so if you've ever bought one, you'll be able to use these in PDAs and other devices that take SD, like USB card readers.  Interesting concept, but I think will stay a novelty, then fade away.  There's nothing special here (like uncompressed audio or hi-def audio would have been) that can't be easily downloaded and copied to portable flash memory already.  My phone does take microSD.  I already have a card in there, and it already has several music albums in variable-bitrate LAME MP3s.

Offline scottws

  • Gold Member
  • *
  • Posts: 6,607
    • Facebook Me
Re: slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards
« Reply #2 on: Monday, September 22, 2008, 01:19:57 PM »
I read about this in USA Today uh... today.  I thought it sounded stupid.  It said that CD sales continued to plummet while digital purchases seemed to be skyrocketing.  The record companies were trying to find a way to sell something physical in the stores while also catering to the movement of the market to... I want to say "digital music" but CD audio is digital too so I guess the most accurate term is lossy-compressed music.  Actually I think it might be more appropriate to say the movement isn't to lossy-compressed, it's to digital download: a change in distribution method rather than format even though it might seem like the format is important.

I'm with you, Cobra.  I still find utility in CDs in that the music is uncompressed.  Sure, it's still digitally sampled and therefore not a true, pure sampling of the music in a snobby audiophile sense but it is a lot closer to the original than lossy-compressed music.  It's really stupid they have lossy-compressed music on a 1GB card.  They should have WAVs or FLACs or TAKs or APEs or Apple-lossless or WMA-lossless on there, and some sort of auto-conversion utility to convert then to AACs or MP3s or WMA-lossy if the user so desired something smaller and more portable (in an individual file sense).

There is nothing different about this than buying a microSD card, downloading the music via some digital distribution service, and slapping it on the microSD card.

Offline idolminds

  • ZOMG!
  • Administrator
  • Forum god
  • *
  • Posts: 11,943
Re: slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards
« Reply #3 on: Monday, September 22, 2008, 01:43:46 PM »
Hell, they could put both the FLACs and MP3s on the thing and people still wouldn't have to make any conversions themselves.

I just hope these don't start taking over CDs. Where are we going to get decent audio then? Though I do like the thought of having a bunch of cheap microSD cards floating around. I could use those. As long as they aren't write protected.

Offline Quemaqua

  • 古い塩
  • Administrator
  • Forum god
  • *
  • Posts: 16,498
  • パンダは触るな。
    • Bookruptcy
Re: slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards
« Reply #4 on: Monday, September 22, 2008, 06:23:32 PM »
CDs aren't going anywhere.  There are thousands upon thousands of people out there who aren't even remotely tech savvy and wouldn't know what to do with a microSD card if you plugged it into their player for them.  And trust me, that market is way bigger than the very small group of people who would actually be stupid enough to buy compressed music on physical media instead of just downloading it, especially since most of the trends toward digital distribution models are growing in popularity merely because people are really, really, really fucking lazy and have absolutely no self control when it comes to making impulse purchases.  And digital distribution takes full advantage of both of those facets.

天才的な閃きと平均以下のテクニックやな。 課長有野

Offline WindAndConfusion

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,336
Re: slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards
« Reply #5 on: Monday, September 22, 2008, 07:10:38 PM »
There's nothing special here (like uncompressed audio or hi-def audio would have been) that can't be easily downloaded and copied to portable flash memory already.
(click to show/hide)



CDs aren't going anywhere.  There are thousands upon thousands of people out there who aren't even remotely tech savvy and wouldn't know what to do with a microSD card if you plugged it into their player for them.  And trust me, that market is way bigger than the very small group of people who would actually be stupid enough to buy compressed music on physical media instead of just downloading it, especially since most of the trends toward digital distribution models are growing in popularity merely because people are really, really, really fucking lazy and have absolutely no self control when it comes to making impulse purchases.  And digital distribution takes full advantage of both of those facets.
Quoted for truth.

Offline scottws

  • Gold Member
  • *
  • Posts: 6,607
    • Facebook Me
Re: slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards
« Reply #6 on: Monday, September 22, 2008, 07:30:28 PM »
(click to show/hide)
Yeah we know all that thanks.

Offline Cobra951

  • Gold Member
  • *
  • Posts: 8,934
Re: slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards
« Reply #7 on: Monday, September 22, 2008, 09:03:51 PM »
First of all, there is no lossless setting on MP3s.  Even pegging the bitrate at max (320 kbps) won't accomplish that.  Second, the CD standard has been criticized by audiophiles since its inception.  The sampling rate is not nearly high enough for representing the highest audible frequencies.  The best it can do theoretically is a sawtooth wave at 22 kHz, and the distortion is still very high at 15-18 kHz.  The brickwall filtering required to eliminate all the ugly artifacts itself introduces other distortions, such as phase anomalies.  A much-higher sampling rate is needed to shift such problem well above 20 kHz.  96 kHz will do much better than 44.1 kHz, shifting most of the problems well into the ultrasonic.  If we can afford 192 kHz, why not?

The format's other problem is the sample size.  16 bits does not do the job for anything with a realistic dynamic range.  Compressed popular music is served OK by it.  But classical music and uncompressed music of any kind will suffer in a way which is very unnatural.  In effect, the distortion curve is upside-down.  In a digital recording, the softer the sounds, the more distorted they become.  That's because as the amplitudes approach silence, there are much less digital steps to approximate the waveform.  And in order to fit these very soft passages along with the bombastic ones, without sacrificing the real dynamic range, there is no choice but to adjust the recording level so that the loudest sounds don't clip, and make do with the jaggy distortion at low levels.  This can be reduced by adding a bit of white noise.  Ironic, no?  The format originally touted for its lack of hiss has to have some hiss added to better modulate low-amplitude waveforms.  Going to 24 bits would increase the amount of quantization levels 256-fold, which would be more than adequate to sink low-amplitude distortion into inaudibility.

Offline WindAndConfusion

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,336
Re: slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 12:54:26 AM »
Learn the Fourier transform. Then we'll argue about this.

Offline Cobra951

  • Gold Member
  • *
  • Posts: 8,934
Re: slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 07:57:53 AM »
I don't want to argue with you, and no, I don't need to go study Fourier transforms.  MP3 is a lossy format based on psychoacoustic modeling, meaning someone's idea of what data can be thrown away completely.  The best lossless codecs can do little better than 2:1 compression, and 16-bit samples at 44.1 kHz x 2 channels comes out to 1.4 mbps.  If you are claiming that 320-kbps garden-variety MP3s are lossless, and that the folks behind APE and FLAC have monumentally wasted their lives, you have the hill to climb, not me.

Offline WindAndConfusion

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,336
Re: slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 05:55:02 PM »
I didn't say MP3 is lossless. I said it is uncompressed as far as your ears can tell. (And that isn't just my opinion - you might want to look up the ABX test I linked to.) Also, this comment was completely off-the-mark:
Quote
The best it can do theoretically is a sawtooth wave at 22 kHz, and the distortion is still very high at 15-18 kHz.
That is not how a Fourier series works.

Offline Ghandi

  • Senior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4,804
  • HAMS
Re: slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 08:58:02 PM »
Clearly your ears are not as developed as ours. Talk to us again in 10,000 years when you evolve.

Offline gpw11

  • Gold Member
  • *
  • Posts: 7,182
Re: slotMusic: Buy your music on microSD cards
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 12:07:32 AM »
Ha, troglodyte.

But seriously, at this point you're going to have to do something a whole lot more awesome to get me back into paying for music again.