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Offline nickclone

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Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« on: Friday, June 11, 2010, 09:38:25 AM »
My sister gave me this game about eight years ago along with some notably crappy games, I thought this would be a crap game too so I put it on my shelf...where it's been this entire time. Recently I've been looking for a game to play, so I've been looking into Baldur's Gate II (BGII) to see if it's worth installing. I've seen good reviews and the people at GameFAQs seem to love it (they love everything though), but I trust you guys more so I was hoping you guys could give some impressions. I flipped through the manual (120+ pages), but I'm still not sure about how the game plays. Is it like Diablo, because I hate Diablo.

Anyways, are any of you guys indulging in some old games?

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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #1 on: Friday, June 11, 2010, 10:19:59 AM »
Its not actiony like Diablo, I guess its more like Neverwinter Nights or Fallout. But a lot of people consider it an amazing game, and I'm sure Que will tell you the same. I have it but have not played much of it so cant really comment.

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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #2 on: Friday, June 11, 2010, 01:48:57 PM »
BG2 is amazing. More strategic - like say Dragon Age: Origins on the PC.

Just make sure when you run the BG2, you TURN OFF Hardware Acceleration on your DXDiag settings (DirectX settings) - Infinity Engine games (BG, BG2, Planescape, both Icewind Dales) don't like modern-day video cards.

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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #3 on: Friday, June 11, 2010, 03:50:54 PM »
Baldur's Gate II is awesome.

Probably one of the greatest games ever made, and definitely one of my personal top 3 games alongside Deus Ex and Civilization.

The visuals don't hold up though... but the game is just amazing. Great storytelling with complex characters, and a fantastic world. The combat is just brilliant as well.

I've been playing RPGs since Quest for Glory, Wizardry, Betrayal at Krondor, and I'd say that Baldur's Gate II is the greatest RPG of all time.

It sold 2 million units at its time, which is incredible considering it is a hardcore RPG released only on the PC, and in 1999 when 100,000 was decent.

If you want to start, I'll help. It will take a bit of time, but it is totally worth it.

The charcters you meet in this game are quite fantastic. The world is just huge, and the creatures and the wonders are just so fucking imaginative... it is incredible.

The game is also on a 2D backdrop, which results in amazing detail and atmosphere.

If you are going to start BGII without having played BGI, I'll give you some quick details.

You started BG 1 as an orphan adopted by a wizard, who was killed infront of you when the game started. He left you a note, saying that you were being hunted and that you should hook up with two of his old friends, Khaled, and Jaheria, a husband and wife adventuring duo.

You meet them, and along with your sister Amoen, go upon a quest to discover why your father was killed. In the end you discover the person who killed your father was your biological brother, and that you both are the sons of the god of murder.

I know it sounds a bit ridiculous, but the second game is incredible heh.

When you start the second game, you wake up trapped in a dungeon, being tortured by what looks like a really evil mage named Irenecus. Why you are being tortured is a mystery, and it is all interrupted when Irenecus's dungeon falls under attack by unknown forces.

As soon as Irenecus departs to investigate, your sister Amoen (who is a thief class character) shows up and rescues you. With her, you immediately find Jaheria, who has this sexy older woman thing going on, and start to look for her husband Khaled.

You find other old companions, some who have been tortured to death. You come across an old companion Minsc, who is a bald beserker with a low  IQ and a pet hamster.

As you make your way through this dunegon, you come across many wonderous creatures that have been trapped for experimentation by Irenecus.

This initial dungeon is the hardest part of the game, and it takes some will to solider through this.

Once you are out, you find yourself in a huge city... from where there is just amazing tons of content to discover.

In the outskirts of this city, you find all sorts of crazy and frightening areas. Areas that are infested by the undead like vampires... these areas really spark a true sense of dread... I can't even explain. I felt actual horror in these areas.

Other areas have dragons etc.

The cool thing is that the game would have been awesome had it just been limited to the dungeon and the first city (which is massive)... but this is just 30% of the game.

From here you travel to places like the the underdark, which is again imaginatively put together. It is also brilliant, and you get to the see the politics of the creatures that live underground. Again, it is horrific. That's one thing... the game really can be sick.

Aside from the underdark, you go to the sea, cities in the sea, the elven cities... you take part in the war between the elves in the city, and the creatures of the underdark. There are tons of other fantastic places you experience.

Then there are the amazing characters, some of which advanced character writing in games.

Jaheria, for example, is the first feminist character in a game. She is a complete arrogant bitch, and she is awesome.

Viconia, is a banished evil female dark elf (drow). The drows are of a society where the women are dominant physically, and you can change Viconia to be less evil.

Minsc is a bit of a cliche, but he is awesome. There is a reason why Shepard's hamster in Mass Effect 2 is called a "space hamster".

You also come across a talking sword that taunts its enemies as it slices, and loves the taste of blood heh.

It is just a landmark game overall, really. Dragon Age is a fine game, but Baldur's Gate II is in a class of its own.

Really, you guys should play this game... all of you. You have to do it once. I've finished it at least 5 times, I love it so much. Damn, I feel like playing again heh.

If you need help, I'll guide you. The first dungeon needs a bit of soldiering, because there is little narrative, and the game is tough early on... but it is so worth it.





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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #4 on: Friday, June 11, 2010, 03:54:50 PM »
Planescape: Torment and Baldur's Gate II are the two best AD&D-based PC-RPG's ever made.

EDIT:
Planescape might BY FAR have the best prose ever written in a game period (and will probably never be duplicated, since games rely less on prose b/c of amazing graphical improvements and advancements over the years AND also b/c of the new rule that for some reason EVERY line of dialogue has to be voice-acted). Planescape also has dialogue-options galore for quests w/ multiple outcomes (and very deliberate about these decisions), but BG2 has some of the best strategic-RPG combat around. BG2 also sports much better storytelling and writing in comparison to its (awesome) predecessor.

And yeah, BG2 has some awesome characters and storytelling moments...
(click to show/hide)

Regardless, everybody who loves RPG owes it to themselves to play both of these masterpieces.

EDIT 2:
Oh, BG2: Throne of Bhaal is probably the most epic expansion pack ever made - PERIOD. That game could've easily been called Baldur's Gate 3.
« Last Edit: Friday, June 11, 2010, 04:23:38 PM by MysterD »

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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #5 on: Friday, June 11, 2010, 05:45:35 PM »
Yes, awesome, good, people have already said stuff, so whatever.

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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #6 on: Friday, June 11, 2010, 06:01:58 PM »
Chapter 2 in BG2 is epic, long, and awesome.

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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #7 on: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 05:58:43 AM »
One of the best things about BG2 is its structure (unlike the random BG2 love letter from me above heh.)

For example, if you are in a game like Oblivion, you come across dungeons with random vampire infestations etc. These vampires feel little more than undead monsters to kill.

In Baldur's Gate II, you won't come across undead creatures like vampires, ghouls etc, unless they are an integral part of the narrative. The game hardly ever feels random and is almost poetic in its pacing.

One of the most haunting parts of the game is early in chapter 2, when you go to an abandoned old castle to lift a curse. The art and the music during that portion of the game really gave it atmosphere, but what made it frightening were the creatures.

You just don't come across a horde of vampires. You come across maybe one at a time. These vampires will kill your entire party unless prepared for, and can come out of no where.

The game can  be difficult, but not in a weird ridiculous manner.

But yea, in terms of storytelling and pacing, BG2 is almost like a fantastic book.


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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #8 on: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:16:45 AM »
The story sounds amazing, but the enthusiasm of everyone is what sold me. I'm in!

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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #9 on: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 03:40:33 PM »
I really wanted to give these games a shot when they came out. Sadly at this point I'd never have the time to sink into them.

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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #10 on: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 03:47:54 PM »
I think you'll dig it, nick.  You'd have to have something very specific against the games to really not get into them.  I think the biggest knock you can make against them are the D&D rules, which hold them back at times.  But at least that's an easily quantifiable thing.

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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #11 on: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 07:09:38 AM »
I think you'll dig it, nick.  You'd have to have something very specific against the games to really not get into them.  I think the biggest knock you can make against them are the D&D rules, which hold them back at times.  But at least that's an easily quantifiable thing.

Yeah, like the armor rules might drive him nuts.

Armor in AD&D 2nd Ed and below - the LOWER the number, the better. You want them down in the negatives. See PST, BG1 and BG2.

SIDE NOTE: In AD&D 3rd Edition and above, they changed it - HIGHER the number, the better. You do NOT want them down in the negatives. See NWN and newer games.


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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #12 on: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 06:29:28 PM »
I've been on a huge bender, but I'll install it when I get out of ASAP tomorrow. I'll tell you guys what I think about it.

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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #13 on: Monday, June 28, 2010, 01:07:04 PM »
I know I said I would post my impressions, but I've been busy/procrastinating, but I'm ready now if anyone still cares. I just beat the first dungeon and I like this game so far, I've grown attached to the characters and I treat them like my little babies. However, I do have some problems with this game, some minor and some major:

This game's complexity can be frustrating at times, I don't understand how a lot of things work quite yet so I'm constantly checking the manual and online for answers. A lot of the time I can't find them from either source and the game doesn't seem to want to tell me either. There are a lot of spells, but you can't get the info on what they do from the quick slots that display on the HUD. You have to drudge through the menu system, access them a different way and then see what they do. Overly complicated and tedious, I guess that will go away when I memorize what spells do what.

Sometimes it's hard to click on what you want when characters are close together. I've had people in my party attack each other instead of attacking the enemy right in front of them. Why would I want to attack one of my own people. It's also a pain in the ass getting them to stop sometimes too...

I have some problems with the inventory system being clunky, but I don't have time to talk about it in detail.

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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #14 on: Friday, July 02, 2010, 05:19:14 AM »
I liked BGII, but I got hopelessly stuck in it.  Eventually I ended up deep in a dungeon where I encountered two powerful monsters.  I ran into a door, which turned out to just be a little room.  If I were to exit the door, the monsters are there blocking the hallway.  I tried beating them many times but it was hopeless.

I didn't have a save from before I went in the dungeon or encountered the monsters.  I think in terror I saved over my main save when I got into the little room.  It was either that or I did have another save but it was from much earlier in the game.

I've been wanting to play it again forever, but my sister lost it.  I just have the Throne of Bhaal expansion disc now.

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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #15 on: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 03:54:29 AM »
Looks like GDC 2010 will have a panel with a retrospective on Baldur's Gate II.

The panel will include Ray Muzyka and Dr. Greg Zeschuk (currently still with Bioware) and Feargus Urquhart (currently with Obsidian).

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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
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Re: Retro Gaming (Baldur's Gate II)
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday, January 04, 2011, 12:44:42 AM »
No doubt.

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