Author Topic: "I知 Arab and Many of Us Are Glad That Trump Won."  (Read 2003 times)

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"I知 Arab and Many of Us Are Glad That Trump Won."
« on: Thursday, November 10, 2016, 09:56:23 AM »

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Re: "I’m Arab and Many of Us Are Glad That Trump Won."
« Reply #1 on: Thursday, November 10, 2016, 10:07:54 AM »
Interesting perspective, but they clearly don't understand American politics.

Firstly, Bernie Sanders is far too liberal and socialist to get elected President today.  A huge chunk of Americans think that "socialism" and "communism" are the same thing.  Seriously.  Also, for whatever reason, even American's that aren't that ignorant tend to view policies that would be considered moderate or very slightly left wing policies in Europe as extremely left wing.  I'm referring to things like nationalized healthcare, job training programs, heavy-handed business regulation, and social welfare programs.  Some day, the United States might be ready for someone like Sanders, but he is nothing other than a pipe dream today.

Secondly, it isn't very often that Americans are choosing between truly excellent or even very good choices for President.  We're frequently left with trying to choose the lesser of two evils.  Sometimes, how bad one choice is versus the other may not be obvious until later events put it in stark relief.  I think it's dishonest to pretend that the United States is the only place this occurs.  Many countries don't have the opportunity to elect a Justin Trudeau. 

Also, the author fails to consider that what's best for Americans and the United States in general may not align with what's best for random other countries.  The only time a voter should really think about external factors is when considering things like how a candidates' foreign policy will affect their own and their country's success or with regards to the global environment.  And when you dig down, both of those things really do affect the voter themselves to some degree in any case so they really aren't truly external.  I mean sure, you should think long and hard before voting for someone who is going to go around committing genocide around the world, but they are probably a megalomaniac anyway and have other warning signs regarding temperament or domestic policies that should give pause. *ahem*

With regards to Hillary Clinton, very few people were happy to vote for her except, perhaps, to say they were happy they didn't vote for Donald Trump or one of the loony tunes third party candidates.  Count me in as one of that group.  Regardless, Hillary Clinton was clearly the better choice for this country out of all the candidates on the ballot.  It's too bad that many people didn't see it that way.

All of that said, I absolutely recognize that Muslims and Middle Easterners probably aren't big fans of the United States given its foreign policies since the 70's and would be rooting for the this country to adopt a foreign policy that doesn't involve them so much or to simply fail outright.
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Re: "I知 Arab and Many of Us Are Glad That Trump Won."
« Reply #2 on: Thursday, November 10, 2016, 10:42:43 AM »
I generally do agree with you, but he makes some excellent points regarding Saudi fucking Arabia and Israel.

That being said, what this guy doesn't realize is that it is only going to get worse with Trump.

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Re: "I知 Arab and Many of Us Are Glad That Trump Won."
« Reply #3 on: Thursday, November 10, 2016, 10:54:55 AM »
"Many countries don't have the opportunity to elect a Justin Trudeau."

Trudeau is something of a hack. He's certainly better than Trump or even Hillary, and his stance on liberal issues and his open acceptance of minorities (even if superficial) is highly commendable as it changes the narrative at the very least. I also love how he's welcomed refugees from war-torn nations.

But there is a reason why he's suddenly getting booed. He's overexposed himself with these ridiculous photos going around on social media. What's more, he's turning out to be something of a hypocrite.

The first thing he did when coming into power was sign an arms deal with a terrorist nation like Saudi Arabia so they could bomb the shit out of innocent people in Yemen. His stance on the environment has also proven hypocritical.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/the-trudeau-governments-saudi-hypocrisy/article29636734/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/21/canada-politics-progressive-liberal-trudeau?CMP=fb_gu

I realize Trudeau has to ensure Canada survives. They need the oil from Alberta. Still...

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Re: "I知 Arab and Many of Us Are Glad That Trump Won."
« Reply #4 on: Thursday, November 10, 2016, 01:51:02 PM »
I suppose, but you are always going to find flaws with any leader.  In this country, even our greatest leaders (Lincoln, FDR, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Reagan) all had some major issues.  Plus, it's a matter of perspective.  What looks bad to one group of people looks good to another.

The point was that he's a pretty solid leader of a country and he's a lot better than what most people have to choose from (if they even get to choose at all).